Harvard Med in Dubai

This forum made possible through the generous support of SDN members, donors, and sponsors. Thank you.

TruckGirl

Member
10+ Year Member
7+ Year Member
15+ Year Member
Joined
Feb 3, 2005
Messages
38
Reaction score
0
The Dubai Healthcare City (DHCC) is opening in phases starting this summer I think, and I'm not sure whether it would be this year or the year after it, but Harvard Medical is opening a post-graduate training center there, and so is the University of Hamburg.

The DHCC is a freezone for private clinics, hospitals, and nutrition, physiotherapy centers and spas. The Mayo Clinic is also opening a branch. It'll have a specialised Cardiology and Oncology unit, which would be the biggest in the middle east. Apparently, they'd also have research centers for the pharmaceutical industry, and Novartis Pharma are setting up a lab.

Here's their website: http://www.dhcc.ae

I'm not too sure if the Harvard thing would require USMLE, since the first few years they'd be doing their exams in Boston, even if they trained in Dubai.

Members don't see this ad.
 
What I know that it will initially run fellowship programs only, and they will require American board certification as a prerequisite for admission to their fellowship prgram. For example you need to be American Board certified in internal medicine in order to gain admission to a Cardiology fellowship at HMS-Dubai, or an American board certified in ophthalmology for a vitreoretinal fellowship, and so on. So far, the only way to gain American board certification in a particular specialty is to complete a residency in the US. Hope this was helpful.
 
Wow that would be perfect! The recognition of an Harvard degree combined with the awesome culture of Dubai :) Do you know of any other American programs in UAE?
 
Members don't see this ad :)
xdopaminex said:
Wow that would be perfect! The recognition of an Harvard degree combined with the awesome culture of Dubai :) Do you know of any other American programs in UAE?

Johns Hopkins and Mayo will have programs there as well. These programs will be mainly in cardilogy. Each school will establish its own center in Dubai Health Care City.
 
zidanereal2003 said:
Johns Hopkins and Mayo will have programs there as well. These programs will be mainly in cardilogy. Each school will establish its own center in Dubai Health Care City.
Nope, Mayo and Johns Hopkins will only have patient care programs, not educational programs
 
Let's forget about Dubai ;) see the funding section

Areas of Training
[ ] Non-Invasive Cardiovascular Imaging Fellowship
[ ] Stroke Fellowship
[ ] Gastroenterology Fellowship
[ ] Maternal Fetal Medicine Fellowship
[ ] Orthopedic Trauma Fellowship
[ ] Retinal Fellowship
[ ] Anterior Segment Fellowship
[ ] Sleep Medicine Fellowship
[ ] Obstetric Anesthesia Fellowship
[ ] Cardiovascular Medicine Fellowship
[ ] Pediatrics Fellowship
[ ] Internal Medicine Training Program
[ ] Research Fellowship in Ophthalmology
[ ] Gastroenterology Research Fellowship
[ ] Diabetes Research Fellowship
[ ] Retinal Observership
[ ] Anterior Segment Observership
[ ] Stem Cell Transplantation Observership
[ ] Sleep Medicine Observership
Funding
The figures below are intended to provide prospective candidates an estimate of program
expenses. They are, however, approximate amounts that are subject to variation. In
summary, candidates are responsible to provide funding for the following estimated
expenses:
Clinical Fellowships (per year)
Program Administration and Education and Clinical Services Fee $75,000
Malpractice insurance (varies according to specialty) $5,000-35,000
Application fee (one-time, non-refundable) $500
Research Fellowships (per year)
Program Administration and Mentorship and Laboratory Fee $75,000
Application fee (one-time, non-refundable) $500
Observerships (per month)
Program Administration and Mentorship Fee $7,500
Application fee (one-time non-refundable) $500
In addition, candidates are responsible to secure their own salary and personal medical
insurance coverage that is valid in the United States. All living expenses, including housing
and travel, should be covered through the candidate’s salary. Rents are variable, but
typically range between $1,200-$1,800 per month for a one-bedroom apartment in
metropolitan Boston. There may also be additional expenses not accounted for here such as
conference fees, books, etc.
Eligibility
Candidates for admission to fellowships and observerships must meet the rigorous
requirements and standards of the Harvard affiliated hospitals and teaching institutions.
The minimum requirements are listed below:
Clinical fellowships
• Applicants who are graduates of non-US medical schools (except Canada) must be
certified by the Educational Council for Foreign Medical Graduates (ECFMG). See
http://www.ecfmg.org for more details.
• A TOEFL score of 600 or above or graduation from an English speaking medical
school or residency program.
• Satisfactory completion of internship, residency, or pertinent training.
• Candidates who have completed the requirements for Specialty Board eligibility in
the US, Canada or their own country are eligible as a matter of course. Candidates
with similar training in other jurisdictions are also eligible. Candidates who are not
Board eligible, but who have significant training and experience in the relevant
specialty/subspecialty are encouraged to apply.
Research Fellowships/Observerships
• A TOEFL score of 550 or above or graduation from an English speaking medical
school, university or residency program.
• Candidates must have completed requisite training in the relevant specialty,
subspecialty or applicable scientific area.
Application process
All candidate materials are reviewed by the HMI Admissions Committee and the
Departmental/Institutional Admissions Committee. The fitness and readiness of a candidate
for acceptance is determined by the program director of the institution that sponsors the
program or learning experience. Applicants are screened on the basis of career goals and on
the recommendations of faculty members and mentors from medical schools, residency
programs or affiliated institutions. Each applicant must complete an application form and
submit three letters of recommendation from knowledgeable faculty or supervisors who
endorse the qualifications and character of the applicant. One of the letters must be from the
director of the current or most recent clinical training program, university department or
research institution.. Applicants also must submit the items listed below: (please follow
instructions for submitting application materials on page 14 of the HMI-DHCC Postgraduate
Training Program application.)
• Recent passport photo
• Current copies of ECFMG certificate (for clinical fellows)
• Copy of current US visa (if available)
• Copy of board certifications or international equivalent (if applicable) in English
(official translated copy) or Latin
• If applicant is still in training: written recommendation from medical school or
university dean and written recommendation from other faculty members who have
knowledge of the capacities, abilities, skills, and standing of the applicant
• If applicant has completed training: written recommendation from residency training
program director(s) or university supervisor and from other faculty members who
have knowledge of the capacities, abilities, skills, and standing of the applicant
• Official or official certified copy of transcript (in English) from medical school (for
MD applicants for clinical and research fellowships only)
• Official or official certified copy of transcript (in English) from university or graduate
school (for PhD applicants for research fellowships only)
• Certified copy of medical school diploma (for MD applicants for clinical and research
fellowships only)
• Certified copy of university diploma (for PhD applicants for research fellowships only)
• Certified copy of residency certificate (for clinical fellowships only)
• Certified copy of fellowship certificate (if applicable)
• USMLE scores (if applicable, required for clinical fellowships)
• TOEFL scores (if applicable)
• US $500 application fee (non-refundable), made payable to Harvard University
Visas
Clinical fellowships and Research Fellowships:
• Clinical and research fellows come to Boston as a J-1 Exchange Visitor.
• The ECFMG is designated by the US Department of State as the sole sponsor of J-1
physicians in clinical training (see www.ecfmg.org/evsp/evspinsc.pdf).
• Candidates work with a Training Program Liaison (TPL) at the sponsoring Harvard
institution to prepare and submit the sponsorship application to ECFMG.
• All visa arrangements are centralized at the training institution, through the TPL.
HMI cannot be responsible for obtaining visas; however, HMI provides a Letter of
Endorsement to facilitate the sponsorship application process. Candidates must also
have a letter from the sponsoring authority or ministry of their country approving the
training and guaranteeing the return home or other proof of financial support.
• Exchange Visitors sponsored by ECFMG receive a Certificate of Eligibility for
Exchange Visitor (J-1 Visa) Status (Form DS-2019). This document is used by the
accepted candidate to apply for the J-1 Visa.
• Please note that visa processing time may take several months.
Observerships:
• Observers should come to Boston on a B-1, Visitor’s visa. Applications are available at
the American Consulate in the region.
• HMI provides a Letter of Endorsement to facilitate the sponsorship process.
• Please note that visa processing time may take several months.
 
I thought I would throw in my $0.02 here. I'm not a Dr. yet, I'm a 4th year, who's also thinking about going to work in Dubai. My father is a Dr. though (anasthesiologist) who's been seriously looking into moving to Dubai. So I can tell you what he's experienced. Basically, the pay is not quite as good as US BUT it is definately more than 65K. By the way, he's actually been through the process of negotiating contracts, which I've seen in person and read myself, with a couple hospitals but the one I remember for sure is the American Hospital of dubai.

Anyway, the "packages", meaning the contract offers, are pretty much as follows: The pay is around 90K-110K US per year. That may not seem like much, but here's the rest of the package - housing is paid for, depending on the contract they will either put you up in villas in their own developments, or you can negotiate to find your own villa (of which there are many beutiful ones available) and they will pay for it and furnish it. You are provided with private school tuition for up to 2 of your children. You are given 4 weeks paid vacation per year, as well as round trip airfare b/w the US and Dubai for you and your family (up to 2 kids I think), every year. And of course, the money you make is tax free. So when you think about it, considering you don't pay taxes, don't pay mortgage, don't pay tuition for your kids to go to private school, don't have to furnish your home or even pay for your trips back to the US every summer to say hi to your friends, that pretty much leaves you w/ around 100k cash every to play with. As for the work hours, I can't honestly remember the exact figures, but it's pretty reasonable. It's safe to say you'd work a bit less than you would at a typical practice in the states. Also, as far as I can remember, this is pretty much standard for all specialties, but i'm not sure about surgical subspecialties and the like. But put it this way, my dad's friend who moved there, and who's trying to talk my dad into moving, is a pediatrician, and my dad is an anesthisiologist. They are pretty much getting the same "package" offers.

Now, here's the down side. There is a stipulation in the contract, and again, sorry but I can't remember the exact numbers, but basically, for a period of time, if you leave the hospital before your contract expires - lets say you're not happy there - you can NOT work in Dubai, and I think actually the entire UAE for about 2 years. So that's one of the reason my father has been reluctant to go. He's in the later stages of life/medical practice and doesn't fancy uprooting the whole family, selling the house, etc. to move over there, only to be miserable in his work and then either have to quit and not be able to work there for 2 years, or put up w/ the job till the contract expires. It's somewhat communistic in that sense becuase they don't want all these hotshot American Dr.'s getting pulled to Dubai, only to leave their hospital (which is a private buisness) to join another competing practice or hospital. So that's something to think about. But again, my dad's friend was happy, and told my dad that honestly, most other Dr.'s were happy too and there's no reason to assume he wouldn't be also.

Now as for Dubai itself, I actually went there myself a few months ago after I took my USMLE to take a break. My dad and I went together basically to "investigate" the situation for living. So we actually visited a couple hospitals, one of which was the American Hospital, and then another brand new one I can't remember the name of. They were both VERY nice. Clean, modern, and well organized.(For example, in the ED, the waiting room had large plasma screen TV's). I even had lunch in the cafeteria of the American hospital and met a few Dr.'s there. Some where American trained docs who were originally middle eastern who wanted to come back closer to home, others were british dr.'s - and I mean straight up white brits, not arabs who just went to school there. In fact, there were a lot of Europeans there. The nursing staff looked like a bus pulled up from Manilla and dropped off all their nurses - they were almost all Filipino! They must have a lot or nursing schools there cuz I've noticed that everywhere I've been, in the UK, the US, and Dubai, there's a TON of Filipino nurses. Anyway....it seemed really cool. Oh, and of course, you get by w/ English, so language is not a problem.

I also got a chance to drive by the Dubai Health City. It was, and I'm sure still is under construction for the most part, but I can confirm I saw signs from Harvard, George Washington University, and I think Hopkins and Mayo all adverstising the future sites of their new satellites. The complex was beutiful. It looked more like a Spanish villa-style resort than a health center. I'm sure it's going to be VERY nice when it's done. Which is congruant w/ the rest of Dubai. I have been there 3 times now, my most recent trip in February of 06, and I've been to Abu Dhabi once too. I can tell you I have NEVER seen a place like Dubai (And I've lived in the US, UK, and Caribbean and traveled to about 30 different countries and most major cities in the US)!! It's growth is absolutely scary. They build entire islands out of nothing the way some cities build mini malls. I live in Manhattan right now and I can tell you the skyscrapers there are more impressive than what I see out my window. Mostly becuase everything is so freaking new! All glass high tech buildings with very modern architecture and 45 story plus buildings are popping out of the desert like weeds! I'm serious, the entire city is like one giant construction site! Plus, they do everything large scale. Like the mall they have that is currently the biggest (they're building another as we speak at the site of Burj Dubai - the world's future tallest building and it will then be Dubai's, as well as the world's largest shopping mall) in Dubai - it has an indoor ski slope with real snow! in the middle of the bloody desert! I actually went to the beach, which is beautiful by the way, even from someone who used to live beachfront in St. Maarten (I went to AUC), and then in the same day, I went snow skiing! That was pretty cool!

Anyway, I could go on about Dubai itself, but wanted to share a little insight to those considering practicing medicine there. If you have any questions, feel free to PM me as I may forget to come back to this thread. I have pictures from Dubai, including a few of the hospital I visited as well as the new Dubai Health City.
 
Anyone know anything about the existance of medical residency rtraining in Dubai?
 
No residency related to HMS-DHCC yet...Only fellowships as Fascia Lata mentioned.

I think it's a great thing to have Harvard international in an arab country! It gives hope to US trained grads like myself who really want to go back to the Middle East but can't because of the huge gap in the medical world.
 
Praying4EM,

Thanks for the great info. I was recently in Dubai during my 4th year in between rotations abroad, I really liked it. Any idea about future psychiatry jobs there? Thanks.
 
Praying4EM,

Thanks for the great info. I was recently in Dubai during my 4th year in between rotations abroad, I really liked it. Any idea about future psychiatry jobs there? Thanks.

Sorry this is late but i haven't been on this thread in a really long time, just happened to pop in by chance and see another question. Unfortunately, I can't really comment on Psych jobs in particular. I don't know any personally that are over there and I nothing that I saw gave me any info to psych in particular, but, and this is just a guess here, I could see it having a strong future in Dubai. As an ethnic Middle Easterner, I can say that there is definately a cultural barrier to psychiatry in middle eastern culture, and I don't know how well a psych doc would do for the most part in most middle eastern countries, but Dubai is different. With a population of %80 non-arab (mostly european) the culture is probably different and you could probably hvae a pretty strong presence in the medical community, as the medicine over there seems to be defined more by western standards than anything else. So I guess I don't really know, but you'd probably be ok finding work is my guess...
 
Hi,

Im new to this forum. I would like to know your opinion/recommendation about a good hospitalfor Stroke treatment/therapy in Dubai. My father suffered stroke on 29th November,06. Kindly help

Isha
 
I thought I would throw in my $0.02 here. I'm not a Dr. yet, I'm a 4th year, who's also thinking about going to work in Dubai. My father is a Dr. though (anasthesiologist) who's been seriously looking into moving to Dubai. So I can tell you what he's experienced. Basically, the pay is not quite as good as US BUT it is definately more than 65K. By the way, he's actually been through the process of negotiating contracts, which I've seen in person and read myself, with a couple hospitals but the one I remember for sure is the American Hospital of dubai.

Anyway, the "packages", meaning the contract offers, are pretty much as follows: The pay is around 90K-110K US per year. That may not seem like much, but here's the rest of the package - housing is paid for, depending on the contract they will either put you up in villas in their own developments, or you can negotiate to find your own villa (of which there are many beutiful ones available) and they will pay for it and furnish it. You are provided with private school tuition for up to 2 of your children. You are given 4 weeks paid vacation per year, as well as round trip airfare b/w the US and Dubai for you and your family (up to 2 kids I think), every year. And of course, the money you make is tax free. So when you think about it, considering you don't pay taxes, don't pay mortgage, don't pay tuition for your kids to go to private school, don't have to furnish your home or even pay for your trips back to the US every summer to say hi to your friends, that pretty much leaves you w/ around 100k cash every to play with. As for the work hours, I can't honestly remember the exact figures, but it's pretty reasonable. It's safe to say you'd work a bit less than you would at a typical practice in the states. Also, as far as I can remember, this is pretty much standard for all specialties, but i'm not sure about surgical subspecialties and the like. But put it this way, my dad's friend who moved there, and who's trying to talk my dad into moving, is a pediatrician, and my dad is an anesthisiologist. They are pretty much getting the same "package" offers.

Now, here's the down side. There is a stipulation in the contract, and again, sorry but I can't remember the exact numbers, but basically, for a period of time, if you leave the hospital before your contract expires - lets say you're not happy there - you can NOT work in Dubai, and I think actually the entire UAE for about 2 years. So that's one of the reason my father has been reluctant to go. He's in the later stages of life/medical practice and doesn't fancy uprooting the whole family, selling the house, etc. to move over there, only to be miserable in his work and then either have to quit and not be able to work there for 2 years, or put up w/ the job till the contract expires. It's somewhat communistic in that sense becuase they don't want all these hotshot American Dr.'s getting pulled to Dubai, only to leave their hospital (which is a private buisness) to join another competing practice or hospital. So that's something to think about. But again, my dad's friend was happy, and told my dad that honestly, most other Dr.'s were happy too and there's no reason to assume he wouldn't be also.

Now as for Dubai itself, I actually went there myself a few months ago after I took my USMLE to take a break. My dad and I went together basically to "investigate" the situation for living. So we actually visited a couple hospitals, one of which was the American Hospital, and then another brand new one I can't remember the name of. They were both VERY nice. Clean, modern, and well organized.(For example, in the ED, the waiting room had large plasma screen TV's). I even had lunch in the cafeteria of the American hospital and met a few Dr.'s there. Some where American trained docs who were originally middle eastern who wanted to come back closer to home, others were british dr.'s - and I mean straight up white brits, not arabs who just went to school there. In fact, there were a lot of Europeans there. The nursing staff looked like a bus pulled up from Manilla and dropped off all their nurses - they were almost all Filipino! They must have a lot or nursing schools there cuz I've noticed that everywhere I've been, in the UK, the US, and Dubai, there's a TON of Filipino nurses. Anyway....it seemed really cool. Oh, and of course, you get by w/ English, so language is not a problem.

I also got a chance to drive by the Dubai Health City. It was, and I'm sure still is under construction for the most part, but I can confirm I saw signs from Harvard, George Washington University, and I think Hopkins and Mayo all adverstising the future sites of their new satellites. The complex was beutiful. It looked more like a Spanish villa-style resort than a health center. I'm sure it's going to be VERY nice when it's done. Which is congruant w/ the rest of Dubai. I have been there 3 times now, my most recent trip in February of 06, and I've been to Abu Dhabi once too. I can tell you I have NEVER seen a place like Dubai (And I've lived in the US, UK, and Caribbean and traveled to about 30 different countries and most major cities in the US)!! It's growth is absolutely scary. They build entire islands out of nothing the way some cities build mini malls. I live in Manhattan right now and I can tell you the skyscrapers there are more impressive than what I see out my window. Mostly becuase everything is so freaking new! All glass high tech buildings with very modern architecture and 45 story plus buildings are popping out of the desert like weeds! I'm serious, the entire city is like one giant construction site! Plus, they do everything large scale. Like the mall they have that is currently the biggest (they're building another as we speak at the site of Burj Dubai - the world's future tallest building and it will then be Dubai's, as well as the world's largest shopping mall) in Dubai - it has an indoor ski slope with real snow! in the middle of the bloody desert! I actually went to the beach, which is beautiful by the way, even from someone who used to live beachfront in St. Maarten (I went to AUC), and then in the same day, I went snow skiing! That was pretty cool!

Anyway, I could go on about Dubai itself, but wanted to share a little insight to those considering practicing medicine there. If you have any questions, feel free to PM me as I may forget to come back to this thread. I have pictures from Dubai, including a few of the hospital I visited as well as the new Dubai Health City.


Hey Praying4EM,

My parents also live in Dubai and it's an AMAZING place. Honestly, it has it all except for the physician lifestyle. Especially coming US Med grad comparing salaries here to there.

The problem is that I'm interested in EM, and from looking at your username, you are as well. How is the market for someone who is just ER trained here in the states? It appears that many other countries do not recognize an ER residency, and their own ER's are filled with IM and Peds doctors. Also, would the language barrier be an issue for an ER doctor? I speak rudimentary Arabic, but then again, this would be an excuse to properly learn the language.

thanks
 
Thanks for the reply. I'll keep a lookout in the future to see how psychiatry unfolds there. Best of luck.
 
thnx pray4em for great info on working in dubai...
Im entering my final yr of medicine this sept (in UK) and was wondering whether there are opportunities for doctors during their internship to work their (as in house job: foundation years we call them)....would you know of anything about this?
 
Top