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This is a continuation of the original General Chemistry Thread.
Well...no. I hate thinking of basic solutions rather than acidic solutions...so let's put this in terms on an acidic solution. Suppose we had a solution of pH 1 and we dilute it 100 times, would it make sense for the pH to decrease to -1? Similarly, if you have a basic solution, and you dilute it, it cannot become more basic. Diluting a solution will generally get you closer to pH 7 (neutral solution).Is it possible the answer's wrong for the fist one? Calculating it out, 11 = -log(x), x = 10^-11. Dilute by 100, x = 10^-13 so unless I'm missing something pH should be 13 as you said. Furthermore, if you dilute an acid how does it become more acidic (9)? It should become more basic (13). Perhaps someone else can chime in.
I was trying to avoid doing the math because it sucks typing it out...thanks for the explanation, but is there a reason why this cannot be derived mathematically the way dcohen is trying to do? It makes sense but I just dont understand why it cant be proven using the H+ and pH relationship.
EXACTLY!!! that's the way i do it. i never go through the calculations, because it takes way too long. usually, its enough to look through the answer choices and make a reasonable guess. im glad that helped...Wow, great explanation. That makes perfect sense. Yea, I see my problem now, I was neglecting the H+ from the dissociation of water which is in fact much more significant in comparison to the H+ in our initial solution. So, is it safe to say that diluting anything with water will always bring the pH closer to that of water? So we can just see that 100 fold dilution changes the pH by 2 units and it MUST get closer to that of water (pH=7). I'm just thinking about this for future questions, to have a quick way of checking myself.
Be careful when using the 2nd law. It says that everything tends to disorder, yes. But your system itself doesnt have to. For a system, the change in entropy could be negative.the 2nd law of thermodynamics essentially states that all spontaneous processes go towards an increase in entropy.
i'm confused. if a process is spontaneous, then delta G MUST be negative. Delta G could be negative EVEN if entropy is negative, if we have a very negative delta H.
can someone please let me know what they think?
thank you very much
Be careful when using the 2nd law. It says that everything tends to disorder, yes. But your system itself doesnt have to. For a system, the change in entropy could be negative.
Even then, if entropy is positive for the system, delta G could still be positive--> if you have a really endothermic rxn (delta H is very positive). The only times you can determine with certainty whether a rxn is spontaneous or not spontaneous is if delta S and delta H had opposite signs.
Hope this helps?...
i made a couple mistakes (i was watching tv while typing it up)...please read the edited version! sorrymakes perfect sense, thank you very much!
i made a couple mistakes (i was watching tv while typing it up)...please read the edited version! sorry
Whoa...we're not decreasing the intermolecular forces by adding a solute, we're increasing them. We know that a solute has a charge. We also know that ion-dipole forces are stronger than dipole-dipole forces. Therefore, we are strengthening the intermolecular forces by adding a solute. And I completely disagree with the solute accumulating at the surface. That's soo wrong. You are right, it's stupid.i'm sorry for being so annoying with my questions - i'm just trying to tie up my loose ends before i put away the review material for good
We know that adding solute to something pure will weaken its intermolecular forces. We also know that weaker intermolecular forces means we will have a higher vapor pressure. However, why is it that whenever we add solute to something, the vapor pressure actually decreases?
After googling the concepts, it seems that this is because the molecules of the solute somehow replace the molecules of the solvent on the surface. I'm confused - it seems too simplistic of an approach. What if we add the solute and then stir the solute-solvent mixture? Wouldn't that eliminate the "problem" of having the solute linger at the surface?
I guess my real question is this: Before today, I thought that the fact that we weakened the intermolecular forces by putting the solute in the solvent should dominate over the effect of "solute molecules lingering at the surface". Can someone give me a logical explanation of why solute lowers the vapor pressure of a solvent?
thanks in advance for your time, and again, sorry to be so annoying...
Whoa...we're not decreasing the intermolecular forces by adding a solute, we're increasing them. We know that a solute has a charge. We also know that ion-dipole forces are stronger than dipole-dipole forces. Therefore, we are strengthening the intermolecular forces by adding a solute. And I completely disagree with the solute accumulating at the surface. That's soo wrong. You are right, it's stupid.
When a solute is dissolved in a solvent. You need to add a greater amount of heat to get the solvent in the gas phase, and, therefore, the vapor pressure decreases.
Exactly! The difference between freezing/melting and boiling is that freezing/melting requires crystallization. Crystallization needs the molecules to be stacked up perfectly with one another. Boiling just requires getting it out of the liquid phase. So, if we have a solute (ie salt) in a solvent (ie H20), it would be harder for the water molcules to crystallize and stack up against one another in the presence on the Na+ and Cl-. For this reason, melting point and freezing point decrease (lower temperatures) in the presence of a solute.thanks for explaining this to me
You are saying that adding solute would increase the intermolecular forces. That definitely makes sense when we bring up the fact that boiling point elevation takes place in the presence of a solute in a pure solvent.
However, when we add solute to a pure solvent, we decrease its freezing point, which means we are decreasing its melting point. When something takes less heat to break up its solid molecules into a liquid, doesn't that mean that it has weaker intermolecular forces?
thank you!
Exactly! The difference between freezing/melting and boiling is that freezing/melting requires crystallization. Crystallization needs the molecules to be stacked up perfectly with one another. Boiling just requires getting it out of the liquid phase. So, if we have a solute (ie salt) in a solvent (ie H20), it would be harder for the water molcules to crystallize and stack up against one another in the presence on the Na+ and Cl-. For this reason, melting point and freezing point decrease (lower temperatures) in the presence of a solute.
Does that make sense or was that horrible confusing...?
Wait... just wanted to make a small correction. It is boiling point elevation and freezing point depression. So, freezing goes down and boiling goes up.
Bingo. You've got it.yep, i figured thats what it was, thank you for the heads up though... BP goes up since we need more heat to put stuff in the vapor form, and we need lower temp to make stuff stack together better to crystallize...
I just realized that all my confusion started when I read in the Kaplan book this:
"The melting/freezing point of an alloy will be lower than that of either of the component metals, because the new bonds are weaker".
This is a question from a practice exam so please keep that in mind when answering this:
What was the most likely identity of the precipitate that formed when NaCl(aq) was added to Cd(NO3)2(aq)?
A) Cd2Cl
B) CdCl
C) CdCl2
D) CdCl3
How do you solve this quickly on the MCAT and predict the product? I never understood how you can predict products accurately.
This is the same type of question I think, from the same passage:
When a strip of Cu is placed into H2O(l), no change is observed. However, when a strip of Cu is placed into a solution of HNO3(aq), a gas evolves. What is the most likely identity of the gas?
A) NO (g)
B) CO2 (g)
C) H2 (g)
D) O3 (g)
How do you predict these things?!
Whoa...we're not decreasing the intermolecular forces by adding a solute, we're increasing them. We know that a solute has a charge. We also know that ion-dipole forces are stronger than dipole-dipole forces. Therefore, we are strengthening the intermolecular forces by adding a solute. And I completely disagree with the solute accumulating at the surface. That's soo wrong. You are right, it's stupid.
When a solute is dissolved in a solvent. You need to add a greater amount of heat to get the solvent in the gas phase, and, therefore, the vapor pressure decreases.
This is the same type of question I think, from the same passage:
When a strip of Cu is placed into H2O(l), no change is observed. However, when a strip of Cu is placed into a solution of HNO3(aq), a gas evolves. What is the most likely identity of the gas?
A) NO (g)
B) CO2 (g)
C) H2 (g)
D) O3 (g)
How do you predict these things?!
1) HNO3(aq) will dissociate into H+ and NO3-
2) Cu will give off 2e- to become Cu2+
3) the 2e- will be attracted to 2H+ to form H2 (a diatomic molecule)
Check: H2 is gas. problem works out.
thats my best go at it. hope it helps.
-matt
nice...good call! I was able to cross out CO2 for the same reason and O3 becuase O3 would mean that we are oxidizing the HNO3 and therefore reducing the Cu. But, the Cu could not and would not be reduced. It is oxidized...so we must be releasing something reduced: either H2 or NO. and as you said, it's NO.If this was the case why would there be no gas evolved from Cu in H2O? H2O is a combination of H+ and OH- so theoretically if the gas was H2 you would have it evolve from both. Can't be CO2 because no carbon so that leaves you with O3 and NO. My initial hunch was NO but I can't really reason why not O3. Possibly because it's a redox reaction and for some reason nitrogen is a better electron acceptor than the oxygen.
my guess is that the the correct answer is choice [C]
Given that you know: NaCl --> Na+ and Cl-
then...
-having Cd2Cl gives Cd an oxidation number of +1/2 .... unlikely. Strike out [A]
-Cd(NO3)2 was the original compound, so Cd must have at least an oxidation # of +2, which would mean Cl- is actually ox# -2...its not. strike out choice
-CdCl3 implies that Cd must have ox#=3+. If it did, it would make NO3 have a charge of -1.5 (its easier just to remember NO3 has a 1- charge). Strike out choice [D]
any replies to that last question? Also got another:
Given:
Ag+ + e- → Ag Eo = +0.80 V
Cu+ + e- → Cu Eo = +0.52 V
Pb2+ + 2 e- → Pb Eo = -0.13 V
Zn2+ + 2 e- → Zn Eo = -0.76 V
With which of the above metals can copper form a galvanic cell in which copper is reduced?
A) With silver only
B) With lead only
C) With lead and zinc
D) With silver and zinc
it was the exact same thing you said...what's the point.Ah, what the heck... reply anyway! I would
MgCl will include only spectator ions in the Ba(OH)₂ dissociation, so they will not effect it. However, that being said, not being effected means more is dissolved that in the presence of NaOH.
So, for its solubility you'd see this trend:
Ba(OH)₂ is more soluble in HCl than MgCl and more soluble in MgCl than NaOH and this is all because of what Le Chatlier has taught us about how the ions from HCl, MgCl, and NaOH will effect (or not) Ba(OH)₂'s dissociation.
Okay, gotcha. So, the methodology in my answer was correct (it was a Le Chatlier's principle question), but this would have required outside knowledge of the solubility of Mg(OH)2 to get the entire trend developed. I'd imagine that if a question like that were to come up there would be a passage that would give information on the solubility of Mg(OH)2, right?Magnesium hydroxide is very insoluble in water with a ksp of 1.5 x 10^-11. This will shift the reaction to the right as the hydroxide is sequestered by the magnesium making barium hydroxide more soluble. To get a trend in solubility you would have to know how much magnesium chloride your starting with, but if it was 1 M solution for each it would probably go:
MgCl2 > HCl > HF > NaOH
with barium hydroxide being the most soluble in MgCl2 and least soluble in NaOH.
How would the solubility of Magnesium Hydroxide affect the initial solubility of Ba(OH)? I mean, I read what you typed but it just seems that you would have to have Magnesium Hydroxide form in order to even put that into the equation of affecting solublity, right?Magnesium hydroxide is very insoluble in water with a ksp of 1.5 x 10^-11. This will shift the reaction to the right as the hydroxide is sequestered by the magnesium making barium hydroxide more soluble. To get a trend in solubility you would have to know how much magnesium chloride your starting with, but if it was 1 M solution for each it would probably go:
MgCl2 > HCl > HF > NaOH
with barium hydroxide being the most soluble in MgCl2 and least soluble in NaOH.
How would the solubility of Magnesium Hydroxide affect the initial solubility of Ba(OH)? I mean, I read what you typed but it just seems that you would have to have Magnesium Hydroxide form in order to even put that into the equation of affecting solublity, right?
I'm just confused as to how the solublity of a product that did not even form works in this case?
Okay, gotcha. So, the methodology in my answer was correct (it was a Le Chatlier's principle question), but this would have required outside knowledge of the solubility of Mg(OH)2 to get the entire trend developed. I'd imagine that if a question like that were to come up there would be a passage that would give information on the solubility of Mg(OH)2, right?
if you increase the volume in a reaction at equilibrium, it will decrease in pressure according to Le Chatelier's Principle.
and conversely, if you increase the pressure, then volume is decreased.
now;
how do i know which direction equilibrium shifts when i do either of these to a system?
here is an example equation to show off your knowledge with:
N2(g) + 3H2(g) --> 2 NH3(g)
1) which direction will the reaction shift when you have an increase in volume? why?
2) which direction will the reaction shift when you have an increase pressure? why?