Europe neuters quack post-secondary programs- chiropractic's new PR campaign

[cdmguy]

Chiropractors have been getting killed lately.

...programs are starving for students. Enrollment is down 30% and chiropractic organizations have been mobilizing to use public relations and the media to help stop the loss. The reason is because most of the dirty laundry is out about chiropractic: it isn't effective at fixing misaligned spinal joints, has no effect on visceral disease, is pushed indiscriminately by chiropractors-often injuring and killing people with strokes, schools technique methods are quackery, and in general is a blight on the health care system. This is why at least in the UK alternative medicine is being seen as wasteful, dangerous quackery and has been drummed out of their educational system. Time and time again chiropractors prove you can't trust them except to give you biased, bad information.
-Amazon.com review for The Power of Self-Healing: Unlock Your Natural Healing Potential in 21 Days!

To assuage the losses, chiros have formed a PR committee and are networking with media show hosts and celebrities to promote the quackery as cutting edge, supporessed healthcare.

More quackery = chiropractic progress
Foundation for Chiropractic Progress
http://www.foundation4cp.com/

Dr. Phil anyone?

Talking Chiropractic With Dr. Phil
Dr. Fabrizio Mancini appears on popular daytime talk show to discuss chiropractic and the power of self-healing.

Here's "Doctor" Mancini (President of a chiropractic college) DC's book which is being promoted:

The Power of Self-Healing: Unlock Your Natural Healing Potential in 21 Days!

My opinion of Western, or mainstream, medicine is that it is effective for treating severe emergency conditions when the body's natural ability to heal itself has been damaged. But it overfocuses on treating symptoms rather than the cause of the problem. (page 4)

Excuse me Mr. chiropractic college president but you push a limited nerve stimulation therapy as curative for joint instability and degeneration and effective against visceral disease, don't reveal the mountain of information condemning your mostly quack-therapy then you call general medical care solely palliative-what bullsh@t!

According to chiropractors they were right all along and can cure cranial nerve problems by cracking necks (don't mind the patients they stroke out by the way). This news story was published yesterday in the most widely read chiropractic newspaper:

The story of Harvey Lillard and the birth of the chiropractic profession is well-known. While some have suggested it is a mere myth, similar cases reported in the literature demonstrate that it is quite plausible. -Christopher Kent, DC. The Harvey Lillard Story: Fact or Myth?. Dynamic Chiropractic. March 26, 2012. vol 30(7).

It is encouraging that the UK recently removed alternative medicine from Universities after faculty banded together and outed it.

Friends of Science in Medicine (Australian faculty group)

What are Americans doing to end quackery in the USA? Must Europe take the lead?

Let's band together and get alt med out of american programs. Quackery should not be accredited. Contact Friends of Science in Medicine at the above link for more information.

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[facetguy]

Chiropractors have been getting killed lately.

Hey, you're back. And with yet another bitterness-filled post about chiropractors. There's a surprise.

And that Amazon book review you quoted, how did I know that it would turn out to be a review that YOU wrote! Good reference, champ.

To assuage the losses, chiros have formed a PR committee and are networking with media show hosts and celebrities to promote the quackery as cutting edge, supporessed healthcare.

More quackery = chiropractic progress
Foundation for Chiropractic Progress
http://www.foundation4cp.com/

Dr. Phil anyone?

No profession is perfect, and chiro is no exception. However, there's a lot of misinformation and misunderstanding when it comes to the chiro profession. We see it here on SDN frequently. So what's so bad about forming a foundation that seeks to promote the profession? Nothing. Of course, you would love it if your negative voice were the only one to be heard, but that's obviously not going to be the case.

Here's "Doctor" Mancini (President of a chiropractic college) DC's book which is being promoted:

The Power of Self-Healing: Unlock Your Natural Healing Potential in 21 Days!



Excuse me Mr. chiropractic college president but you push a limited nerve stimulation therapy as curative for joint instability and degeneration and effective against visceral disease, don't reveal the mountain of information condemning your mostly quack-therapy then you call general medical care solely palliative-what bullsh@t!

According to chiropractors they were right all along and can cure cranial nerve problems by cracking necks (don't mind the patients they stroke out by the way). This newstory was published yesterday in the most widely read chiropractic newspaper:



It is encouraging that the UK recently removed alternative medicine from Universities after faculty banded together and outed it.

Friends of Science in Medicine (Australian faculty group)

What are Americans doing to end quackery in the USA? Must Europe take the lead?

Let's band together and get alt med out of american programs. Quackery should not be accredited. Contact Friends of Science in Medicine at the above link for more information.

As you are well aware, there is more research today supporting what chiropractors do than in any other time in history. The profession is moving forward. No, you won't be a part of it because...well, let's just say that you are no longer a chiropractor and leave it at that. Your sad little campaign, complete with your Amazon book reviews , won't make a bit of difference, even if you use sensationalist falsehoods like "often injuring or killing people with strokes". You know better. And your tactics, aside from being tired, are just sad.

 

[cdmguy]

And that Amazon book review you quoted, how did I know that it would turn out to be a review that YOU wrote! Good reference, champ.

That was fast. Here comes the SDN troll chiro PR rep for damage control.

The quote isn't referenced so it really is irrelevant who wrote it; instead what matters is whether it is true. You feel it isn't but don't cite anything that would support that belief. I can pull a list of quotes explaining why 50 year old chiropractic techniques that don't even include translation movements (Gonstead and Diversified listings), limit vertebral rotations to always moving into extension (Gonstead technique), try to correct flexion by torquing the skin (upper cervical aka Toggle), think they can deduce intervertebral motions from single point palpation techniques (Motion Palpation), and think that the sacroiliac joints rotate around the acetabulum (Sacro Occipital Technique and Gonstead) are nothing but hopelessly flawed biomechanical systems yet they continue to be taught and tested on in the national boards. It would actually take quite a long time to cite all of the 100 different chiropractic techniques and given that this isn't a scientific dissertation and you aren't objective why bother? There's also plenty of data on the problems with chiropractic school admissions, the closing of the Cleveland College of Chiropractic in LA due to low admissions, Simon Sing's winning UK libel lawsuit and other issues. So drop the vague misrepresentation nonsense and either go away or admit the reason you didn't cite anything to contradict the statement is because you can't and you're just trying, in vain, to support the unsupportable with attitude and false information because your livelihood depends on maintaining the illusion, at least to medical providers, that most of your profession is practicing a physical therapy model rather than the blatant quackery that really is going on, taught by schools, defended by national associations and state licensing boards and used by the majority of chiropractors in their offices every day as their mode of care. Also, explain why these quack methods are the standard of care instead of the PT clinical prediction rules which lower stroke injuries by screening out the nonresponders before they get hurt.

No profession is perfect, and chiro is no exception. However, there's a lot of misinformation and misunderstanding when it comes to the chiro profession.

Actually there is no misunderstanding and don't bother trying to mislead people into thinking these practices are the result of rogue practitioners. I just quoted a chiropractic college president spewing propaganda and you have the nerve to lie on the forum and represent that problems are anomalies rather than systemic. You look *****ic and should be ashamed.

As you are well aware, there is more research today supporting what chiropractors do than in any other time in history

There is more research against the charlatanism that you do which you deceptively pretend to be PT than any time in history and I'm happy to see that more enlightened countries are finally stepping up to shut you quacks up before you injure and kill more people.