EP application season for 2020 start date

[mm3794]

Or the elephant in the room, Penn? I know they are pretty malignant, but anyone know anything about them or their timeline?

They are interviewing October 19th but not sure if they send invites to anyone yet.

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[Manic_Panic]

Invites:
Cornell 7/16
Michigan 7/17, 7/31
UF Jacksonville 7/19
MedStar Georgetown/WHC 7/19
Vanderbilt 7/22
University of Washington Seattle 7/22
UT Houston 7/23, 7/25, 8/1
Utah 7/23
Albert Einstein Montefiore 7/25
Temple 7/25
OHSU 7/26
UPMC 7/29
George Washington University 7/30
Iowa 7/30, 7/31
University of Kansas 7/30
Mayo 8/1
Case Western 8/5
Boston University SOM/Boston Medical Center 8/5
MGH 8/7
Alabama 8/7, 8/16
Aurora 8/7
Medical college of Wisconsin 8/7
MetroHealth/Case Western 8/8
Geisinger Health System 8/9
Houston Methodist 8/12
NYU 8/12
University of Nebraska 8/13
University of Virginia 8/13
University of Cincinnati 8/14
Medical College of Wisconsin 8/14
UCLA 8/14
BWH 8/16
Beaumont Health System 8/16
Penn State Hershey 8/19

Formal Rejections:
Mayo Rochester 8/2

Likely Filled Internally:
Emory
Cleveland Clinic
University of Indiana
Henry Ford Hospital
Stanford

 

[Manic_Panic]

Or the elephant in the room, Penn? I know they are pretty malignant, but anyone know anything about them or their timeline?

I was wondering what is malignant about Penn? Are the really busy or they don't treat you well or is it something else. I remember somebody vaguely told me in past that EP fellows stay pretty late at Penn everyday.

 

[morte7]

My main sources are 1 recent grad from there and 1 who spurned them for Michigan, both said it has the archetypal malignant atmosphere. I use “malignant” distinctly from working hard or staying late, which to me are admirable features. Word on the street is that lots of good candidates every year choose to not go there or not apply at all because fellows are treated so poorly, yelled at, etc. Granted this is all second-hand, but seems to be consistent. I would welcome getting corrected on this.

 

[Manic_Panic]

Good to know. Thanks for sharing.

 

[CardsFellow02]

My main sources are 1 recent grad from there and 1 who spurned them for Michigan, both said it has the archetypal malignant atmosphere. I use “malignant” distinctly from working hard or staying late, which to me are admirable features. Word on the street is that lots of good candidates every year choose to not go there or not apply at all because fellows are treated so poorly, yelled at, etc. Granted this is all second-hand, but seems to be consistent. I would welcome getting corrected on this.

I have not heard similar regarding malignancy. Ive heard they work very long hours (6am-11pm or longer) and that the training is fantastic. The lengthy hours are all but admirable to me with a family that I care about. Personally, I’d rather do a 2.5 year fellowship and get the same numbers than cram it into two years. To each our own though.

 

[Manic_Panic]

If you are talking Stanford, I communicated directly with my source (who is an EP fellow there) and confirmation was done through that. So again I will be surprised if Stanford send any invites. Ohio State news was relayed to me by two applicants from Ohio and they both told me it is filling internally. Since two different people told me same thing about Ohio State I thought it would be true. Should not be posting with out direct confirmation.

I see what you mean. My sources at Ohio state were an EP attending and a general cardiology attending. One of them did confirm that there are 3 internal applicants at their program who are applying for EP and all of them would like to stay apparently. This now makes me think that even if Ohio state sends interviews, is there any point in spending money and going there for interviews.

 

[mm3794]

Invites:
Cornell 7/16
Michigan 7/17, 7/31
UF Jacksonville 7/19
MedStar Georgetown/WHC 7/19
Vanderbilt 7/22
University of Washington Seattle 7/22
UT Houston 7/23, 7/25, 8/1
Utah 7/23
Albert Einstein Montefiore 7/25
Temple 7/25
OHSU 7/26
UPMC 7/29
George Washington University 7/30
Iowa 7/30, 7/31
University of Kansas 7/30
Mayo 8/1
Case Western 8/5
Boston University SOM/Boston Medical Center 8/5
MGH 8/7
Alabama 8/7, 8/16
Aurora 8/7
Medical college of Wisconsin 8/7
MetroHealth/Case Western 8/8
Geisinger Health System 8/9
Houston Methodist 8/12
NYU 8/12
University of Nebraska 8/13
University of Virginia 8/13
University of Cincinnati 8/14
Medical College of Wisconsin 8/14
UCLA 8/14
BWH 8/16
Beaumont Health System 8/16
Penn State Hershey 8/19
University of Minnesota 8/20

Formal Rejections:
Mayo Rochester 8/2

Likely Filled Internally:
Emory
Cleveland Clinic
University of Indiana
Henry Ford Hospital
Stanford

 

[dukeward]

Invites:
Cornell 7/16
Michigan 7/17, 7/31
UF Jacksonville 7/19
MedStar Georgetown/WHC 7/19
Vanderbilt 7/22
University of Washington Seattle 7/22
UT Houston 7/23, 7/25, 8/1
Utah 7/23
Albert Einstein Montefiore 7/25
Temple 7/25
OHSU 7/26
UPMC 7/29
George Washington University 7/30
Iowa 7/30, 7/31
University of Kansas 7/30
Mayo 8/1
Case Western 8/5
Boston University SOM/Boston Medical Center 8/5
MGH 8/7
Alabama 8/7, 8/16
Aurora 8/7
Medical college of Wisconsin 8/7
MetroHealth/Case Western 8/8
Geisinger Health System 8/9
Houston Methodist 8/12
NYU 8/12
University of Nebraska 8/13
University of Virginia 8/13
University of Cincinnati 8/14
Medical College of Wisconsin 8/14
UCLA 8/14
BWH 8/16
Beaumont Health System 8/16
Penn State Hershey 8/19
Columbia 8/20



Formal Rejections:
Mayo Rochester 8/2

Likely Filled Internally:
Emory
Cleveland Clinic
University of Indiana
Henry Ford Hospital
Stanford

 

[Dolly1416]

Invites:
Cornell 7/16
Michigan 7/17, 7/31
UF Jacksonville 7/19
MedStar Georgetown/WHC 7/19
Vanderbilt 7/22
University of Washington Seattle 7/22
UT Houston 7/23, 7/25, 8/1
Utah 7/23
Albert Einstein Montefiore 7/25
Temple 7/25
OHSU 7/26
UPMC 7/29
George Washington University 7/30
Iowa 7/30, 7/31
University of Kansas 7/30
Mayo 8/1
Case Western 8/5
Boston University SOM/Boston Medical Center 8/5
MGH 8/7
Alabama 8/7, 8/16
Aurora 8/7
Medical college of Wisconsin 8/7
MetroHealth/Case Western 8/8
Geisinger Health System 8/9
Houston Methodist 8/12
NYU 8/12
University of Nebraska 8/13
University of Virginia 8/13
University of Cincinnati 8/14
Medical College of Wisconsin 8/14
UCLA 8/14
BWH 8/16
Beaumont Health System 8/16
Penn State Hershey 8/19
Columbia 8/20
University of Minnesota 8/20



Formal Rejections:
Mayo Rochester 8/2

Likely Filled Internally:
Emory
Cleveland Clinic
University of Indiana
Henry Ford Hospital
Stanford

 

[mm3794]

Invites:
Cornell 7/16
Michigan 7/17, 7/31
UF Jacksonville 7/19
MedStar Georgetown/WHC 7/19
Vanderbilt 7/22
University of Washington Seattle 7/22
UT Houston 7/23, 7/25, 8/1
Utah 7/23
Albert Einstein Montefiore 7/25
Temple 7/25
OHSU 7/26
UPMC 7/29
George Washington University 7/30
Iowa 7/30, 7/31
University of Kansas 7/30
Mayo 8/1
Case Western 8/5
Boston University SOM/Boston Medical Center 8/5
MGH 8/7
Alabama 8/7, 8/16
Aurora 8/7
Medical college of Wisconsin 8/7
MetroHealth/Case Western 8/8
Geisinger Health System 8/9
Houston Methodist 8/12
NYU 8/12
University of Nebraska 8/13
University of Virginia 8/13
University of Cincinnati 8/14
Medical College of Wisconsin 8/14
UCLA 8/14
BWH 8/16
Beaumont Health System 8/16
Penn State Hershey 8/19
Columbia 8/20
University of Minnesota 8/20
Tufts 8/22



Formal Rejections:
Mayo Rochester 8/2

Likely Filled Internally:
Emory
Cleveland Clinic
University of Indiana
Henry Ford Hospital
Stanford

 

[mm3794]

Invites:
Cornell 7/16
Michigan 7/17, 7/31
UF Jacksonville 7/19
MedStar Georgetown/WHC 7/19
Vanderbilt 7/22
University of Washington Seattle 7/22
UT Houston 7/23, 7/25, 8/1
Utah 7/23
Albert Einstein Montefiore 7/25
Temple 7/25
OHSU 7/26
UPMC 7/29
George Washington University 7/30
Iowa 7/30, 7/31
University of Kansas 7/30
Mayo 8/1
Case Western 8/5
Boston University SOM/Boston Medical Center 8/5
MGH 8/7
Alabama 8/7, 8/16
Aurora 8/7
Medical college of Wisconsin 8/7
MetroHealth/Case Western 8/8
Geisinger Health System 8/9
Houston Methodist 8/12
NYU 8/12
University of Nebraska 8/13
University of Virginia 8/13
University of Cincinnati 8/14
Medical College of Wisconsin 8/14
UCLA 8/14
BWH 8/16
Beaumont Health System 8/16
Penn State Hershey 8/19
Columbia 8/20
University of Minnesota 8/20
Tufts 8/22
UC SanDiego 8/22



Formal Rejections:
Mayo Rochester 8/2

Likely Filled Internally:
Emory
Cleveland Clinic
University of Indiana
Henry Ford Hospital
Stanford

 

[morte7]

Lol mm3794 how many interviews are you actually scheduling with these programs? I think you've reported like two thirds of this list. Appreciate you sharing the info though, and congrats.

 

[mm3794]

Lol mm3794 how many interviews are you actually scheduling with these programs? I think you've reported like two thirds of this list. Appreciate you sharing the info though, and congrats.

Lol plans on scheduling 7-8. Already done with two. Definitely not going to all.

 

[CardsFellow02]

If there is any interest...

I’ll be in SLC Utah September 3rd. Anybody want to grab a drink or dinner the night before?

PM me... Its a small EP world and im sure we will all meet up at some point.

 

[dukeward]

Invites:
Cornell 7/16
Michigan 7/17, 7/31
UF Jacksonville 7/19
MedStar Georgetown/WHC 7/19
Vanderbilt 7/22
University of Washington Seattle 7/22
UT Houston 7/23, 7/25, 8/1
Utah 7/23
Albert Einstein Montefiore 7/25
Temple 7/25
OHSU 7/26
UPMC 7/29
George Washington University 7/30
Iowa 7/30, 7/31
University of Kansas 7/30
Mayo 8/1
Case Western 8/5
Boston University SOM/Boston Medical Center 8/5
MGH 8/7
Alabama 8/7, 8/16
Aurora 8/7
Medical college of Wisconsin 8/7
MetroHealth/Case Western 8/8
Geisinger Health System 8/9
Houston Methodist 8/12
NYU 8/12
University of Nebraska 8/13
University of Virginia 8/13
University of Cincinnati 8/14
Medical College of Wisconsin 8/14
UCLA 8/14
BWH 8/16
Beaumont Health System 8/16
Penn State Hershey 8/19
Columbia 8/20
University of Minnesota 8/20
Tufts 8/22
UC SanDiego 8/22
UCSF 8/22




Formal Rejections:
Mayo Rochester 8/2

Likely Filled Internally:
Emory
Cleveland Clinic
University of Indiana
Henry Ford Hospital
Stanford

 

[mello_xello]

Lol plans on scheduling 7-8. Already done with two. Definitely not going to all.

Please cancel as soon as you know that you won't be going to a program. Maybe it ll open up dates for those on waitlists.
Thanks

 

[mm3794]

Please cancel as soon as you know that you won't be going to a program. Maybe it ll open up dates for those on waitlists.
Thanks

Yes doing. Cancelled a couple just now that I scheduled for October.

 

[mello_xello]

Johns Hopkins 8/23

 

[mm3794]

Invites:
Cornell 7/16
Michigan 7/17, 7/31
UF Jacksonville 7/19
MedStar Georgetown/WHC 7/19
Vanderbilt 7/22
University of Washington Seattle 7/22
UT Houston 7/23, 7/25, 8/1
Utah 7/23
Albert Einstein Montefiore 7/25
Temple 7/25
OHSU 7/26
UPMC 7/29
George Washington University 7/30
Iowa 7/30, 7/31
University of Kansas 7/30
Mayo 8/1
Case Western 8/5
Boston University SOM/Boston Medical Center 8/5
MGH 8/7
Alabama 8/7, 8/16
Aurora 8/7
Medical college of Wisconsin 8/7
MetroHealth/Case Western 8/8
Geisinger Health System 8/9
Houston Methodist 8/12
NYU 8/12
University of Nebraska 8/13
University of Virginia 8/13
University of Cincinnati 8/14
Medical College of Wisconsin 8/14
UCLA 8/14
BWH 8/16
Beaumont Health System 8/16
Penn State Hershey 8/19
Columbia 8/20
University of Minnesota 8/20
Tufts 8/22
UC SanDiego 8/22
UCSF 8/22
Johns Hopkins 8/23




Formal Rejections:
Mayo Rochester 8/2

Likely Filled Internally:
Emory
Cleveland Clinic
University of Indiana
Henry Ford Hospital
Stanford

 

[mm3794]

Any news on Penn guys. Seems they are taking quite long.

 

[CardsFellow02]

Any news on Penn guys. Seems they are taking quite long.

I heard they filled already. J/k. There are a good number of programs that have still been silent in the southeast as well as northwest.

 

[mello_xello]

Formal Rejection:
MGH 8/21

 

[Warrior801]

I appreciate the programs who actually send a response... invite or not. Is everyone assuming if they haven't heard from the programs people already got an interview from it's an unofficial rejection?

 

[mello_xello]

Cannot say that for sure. I heard from 2 programs from the above list almost a week after the dates that were posted here

I appreciate the programs who actually send a response... invite or not. Is everyone assuming if they haven't heard from the programs people already got an interview from it's an unofficial rejection?

 

[morte7]

Invites:
Cornell 7/16
Michigan 7/17, 7/31
UF Jacksonville 7/19
MedStar Georgetown/WHC 7/19
Vanderbilt 7/22
University of Washington Seattle 7/22
UT Houston 7/23, 7/25, 8/1
Utah 7/23
Albert Einstein Montefiore 7/25
Temple 7/25
OHSU 7/26
UPMC 7/29
George Washington University 7/30
Iowa 7/30, 7/31
University of Kansas 7/30
Mayo 8/1
Case Western 8/5
Boston University SOM/Boston Medical Center 8/5
MGH 8/7
Alabama 8/7, 8/16
Aurora 8/7
Medical college of Wisconsin 8/7
MetroHealth/Case Western 8/8
Geisinger Health System 8/9
Houston Methodist 8/12
NYU 8/12
University of Nebraska 8/13
University of Virginia 8/13
University of Cincinnati 8/14
Medical College of Wisconsin 8/14
UCLA 8/14
BWH 8/16
Beaumont Health System 8/16
Penn State Hershey 8/19
Columbia 8/20
University of Minnesota 8/20
Tufts 8/22
UC SanDiego 8/22
UCSF 8/22
Johns Hopkins 8/23
U Colorado 8/26


Formal Rejections:
Mayo Rochester 8/2

Likely Filled Internally:
Emory
Cleveland Clinic
University of Indiana
Henry Ford Hospital
Stanford


It will probably turn into a rejection, though as mentioned, there are subsequent waves of invites. I think official rejection emails are in the minority.

 

[mm3794]

Invites:
Cornell 7/16
Michigan 7/17, 7/31
UF Jacksonville 7/19
MedStar Georgetown/WHC 7/19
Vanderbilt 7/22
University of Washington Seattle 7/22
UT Houston 7/23, 7/25, 8/1
Utah 7/23
Albert Einstein Montefiore 7/25
Temple 7/25
OHSU 7/26
UPMC 7/29
George Washington University 7/30
Iowa 7/30, 7/31
University of Kansas 7/30
Mayo 8/1
Case Western 8/5
Boston University SOM/Boston Medical Center 8/5
MGH 8/7
Alabama 8/7, 8/16
Aurora 8/7
Medical college of Wisconsin 8/7
MetroHealth/Case Western 8/8
Geisinger Health System 8/9
Houston Methodist 8/12
NYU 8/12
University of Nebraska 8/13
University of Virginia 8/13
University of Cincinnati 8/14
Medical College of Wisconsin 8/14
UCLA 8/14
BWH 8/16
Beaumont Health System 8/16
Penn State Hershey 8/19
Columbia 8/20
University of Minnesota 8/20
Tufts 8/22
UC SanDiego 8/22
UCSF 8/22
Johns Hopkins 8/23
U Colorado 8/26
University of Miami 8/28


Formal Rejections:
Mayo Rochester 8/2

Likely Filled Internally:
Emory
Cleveland Clinic
University of Indiana
Henry Ford Hospital
Stanford

 

[CardsFellow02]

Invites:
Cornell 7/16
Michigan 7/17, 7/31
UF Jacksonville 7/19
MedStar Georgetown/WHC 7/19
Vanderbilt 7/22
University of Washington Seattle 7/22
UT Houston 7/23, 7/25, 8/1
Utah 7/23
Albert Einstein Montefiore 7/25
Temple 7/25
OHSU 7/26
UPMC 7/29
George Washington University 7/30
Iowa 7/30, 7/31
University of Kansas 7/30
Mayo 8/1
Case Western 8/5
Boston University SOM/Boston Medical Center 8/5
MGH 8/7
Alabama 8/7, 8/16
Aurora 8/7
Medical college of Wisconsin 8/7
MetroHealth/Case Western 8/8
Geisinger Health System 8/9
Houston Methodist 8/12
NYU 8/12
University of Nebraska 8/13
University of Virginia 8/13
University of Cincinnati 8/14
Medical College of Wisconsin 8/14
UCLA 8/14
BWH 8/16
Beaumont Health System 8/16
Penn State Hershey 8/19
Columbia 8/20
University of Minnesota 8/20
Tufts 8/22
UC SanDiego 8/22
UCSF 8/22
Johns Hopkins 8/23
U Colorado 8/26
University of Miami 8/28


Formal Rejections:
Mayo Rochester 8/2

Likely Filled Internally:
Emory
Cleveland Clinic
University of Indiana
Henry Ford Hospital
Stanford
University of Virginia (UVA)

 

[morte7]

UVA is on this list - it says they sent out invites on 8/13. Why do we think they filled internally now?

 

[CardsFellow02]

UVA is on this list - it says they sent out invites on 8/13. Why do we think they filled internally now?

I don’t think anybody received interview confirmation although correct me if I’m wrong. I’m fairly confident they filled internally.

 

[mm3794]

Anyone with updates on Ohio State. Don’t think they also send any invites.

 

[Manic_Panic]

I don’t think anybody received interview confirmation although correct me if I’m wrong. I’m fairly confident they filled internally.

They had invited me for interview on 8/13. I never scheduled it because the dates that they gave me were colliding with week that I am going to be busy. Then I got an email about 2 days ago from their program that even though I got an invite but their internal candidate has expressed strong desire to stay in the program and they are going to take him. I wonder how would I have reacted if I had scheduled my interview with them and made all the reservations for travel and lodging? Lol

 

[Manic_Panic]

Anyone with updates on Ohio State. Don’t think they also send any invites.

I met one of their internal applicants today at another program for interview. He told us that they have not sent any invitations yet. He also told me that he and other Ohio state internal applicant were surprised by the internet rumors that Ohio state has filled internally which they had not.

 

[mm3794]

I met one of their internal applicants today at another program for interview. He told us that they have not sent any invitations yet. He also told me that he and other Ohio state internal applicant were surprised by the internet rumors that Ohio state has filled internally which they had not.

Awesome. Good to know. Thank you.

 

[Manic_Panic]

Anybody knows much about University of Miami EP fellowship program? How are the didactics, autonomy and how busy it is?

 

[CardsFellow02]

Wondering if anybody has heard from the following programs;

Duke
Penn
Dartmouth (Closed second day so i imagine they're not taking external?)
Northwestern
MUSC
UTSW (Dallas)

Also, anybody else visiting SLC this coming week?

 

[mm3794]

Wondering if anybody has heard from the following programs;

Duke
Penn
Dartmouth (Closed second day so i imagine they're not taking external?)
Northwestern
MUSC
UTSW (Dallas)

Also, anybody else visiting SLC this coming week?

Don’t know why Penn, Duke and NW have not sent any invites. As far as I know, none of them are filling internally.

 

[Warrior801]

Guess they are taking their sweet time

 

[mm3794]

Heard Northwestern did send invites to some.

 

[Warrior801]

Can anyone provide insight on which programs are the strongest clinically?

 

[mello_xello]

Did anyone else receive a message from BIDMC Boston that they have filled all their spots and will not be in NRMP this year?
What kind of weird season is this!!

 

[Warrior801]

Did anyone else receive a message from BIDMC Boston that they have filled all their spots and will not be in NRMP this year?
What kind of weird season is this!!

yes i got that email too. Sucks that they allowed us to apply to their program

 

[AblateMD]

I appreciate the message. Agree it's a strange season but overall I think we're very lucky that (so far) it seems like we're moving toward a match . I guess time will tell how it will all play out.

In response to warrior801:
I too would be interested to hear people's thoughts but I think we're in a good boat overall for this as well. It seems to me that there are many great programs these days. Everywhere I have interviewed seems to provide more than adequate exposure to bread and butter EP a la sufficient left sided procedures including VT. I think almost nowhere will make you ohmygod good at epicardial vt or super crazy stuff unless you go to Penn or vandy etc but I'm ok with that.
I suspect that, perhaps counterintuitively, some of the big academic places may actually be worse for clinical prep (such as mayo and perhaps others) because fear of fellow messing things up outweighs the willingness to teach - but this is by no means first hand knowledge.

I'll mention some "non top 5" program's I have heard nothing but great things about (again, second hand knowledge from fellows)
- MedStar. Great volume, GREAT autonomy, appears to not be malignant. Fellows rave about their experience. Seth Worley will likely teach you to be an lv lead ninja.
-Geisinger . Recently on my radar from positive reviews from people there. Great volume across 4 active labs, full gambit of procedures and fellow has the run of the place with apparently no scut. Vijayaraman is there who is the conduction system pacing guru and very active/productive academically.
VCU- not sure if they plan to interview but I consistently hear how good busy their fellows are and that they do crazy stuff ( in a good way). I think you would come out very strong. Ellenbogen is there.

Those are some of the programs I am aware of that are not your traditional ivory tower programs that crush it clinically (and have academic opportunity if so inclined)

Look forward to other's thoughts

 

[Warrior801]

I appreciate the message. Agree it's a strange season but overall I think we're very lucky that (so far) it seems like we're moving toward a match . I guess time will tell how it will all play out.

In response to warrior801:
I too would be interested to hear people's thoughts but I think we're in a good boat overall for this as well. It seems to me that there are many great programs these days. Everywhere I have interviewed seems to provide more than adequate exposure to bread and butter EP a la sufficient left sided procedures including VT. I think almost nowhere will make you ohmygod good at epicardial vt or super crazy stuff unless you go to Penn or vandy etc but I'm ok with that.
I suspect that, perhaps counterintuitively, some of the big academic places may actually be worse for clinical prep (such as mayo and perhaps others) because fear of fellow messing things up outweighs the willingness to teach - but this is by no means first hand knowledge.

I'll mention some "non top 5" program's I have heard nothing but great things about (again, second hand knowledge from fellows)
- MedStar. Great volume, GREAT autonomy, appears to not be malignant. Fellows rave about their experience. Seth Worley will likely teach you to be an lv lead ninja.
-Geisinger . Recently on my radar from positive reviews from people there. Great volume across 4 active labs, full gambit of procedures and fellow has the run of the place with apparently no scut. Vijayaraman is there who is the conduction system pacing guru and very active/productive academically.
VCU- not sure if they plan to interview but I consistently hear how good busy their fellows are and that they do crazy stuff ( in a good way). I think you would come out very strong. Ellenbogen is there.

Those are some of the programs I am aware of that are not your traditional ivory tower programs that crush it clinically (and have academic opportunity if so inclined)

Look forward to other's thoughts

Thanks for such a great response AblateMD! What are you guys considering the top 5? Would def love to hear people weighing in on some other northeast programs

 

[mm3794]

I appreciate the message. Agree it's a strange season but overall I think we're very lucky that (so far) it seems like we're moving toward a match . I guess time will tell how it will all play out.

In response to warrior801:
I too would be interested to hear people's thoughts but I think we're in a good boat overall for this as well. It seems to me that there are many great programs these days. Everywhere I have interviewed seems to provide more than adequate exposure to bread and butter EP a la sufficient left sided procedures including VT. I think almost nowhere will make you ohmygod good at epicardial vt or super crazy stuff unless you go to Penn or vandy etc but I'm ok with that.
I suspect that, perhaps counterintuitively, some of the big academic places may actually be worse for clinical prep (such as mayo and perhaps others) because fear of fellow messing things up outweighs the willingness to teach - but this is by no means first hand knowledge.

I'll mention some "non top 5" program's I have heard nothing but great things about (again, second hand knowledge from fellows)
- MedStar. Great volume, GREAT autonomy, appears to not be malignant. Fellows rave about their experience. Seth Worley will likely teach you to be an lv lead ninja.
-Geisinger . Recently on my radar from positive reviews from people there. Great volume across 4 active labs, full gambit of procedures and fellow has the run of the place with apparently no scut. Vijayaraman is there who is the conduction system pacing guru and very active/productive academically.
VCU- not sure if they plan to interview but I consistently hear how good busy their fellows are and that they do crazy stuff ( in a good way). I think you would come out very strong. Ellenbogen is there.

Those are some of the programs I am aware of that are not your traditional ivory tower programs that crush it clinically (and have academic opportunity if so inclined)

Look forward to other's thoughts

Agree that some big places such as Mayo care more about complications rather than fellows experience. This has also been communicated to me by old and current EP fellows at Mayo. I don't know how one can classify top 5. If you are into academic EP, I think Michigan, Penn and perhaps Brigham and Vandy really stands out with respect to research output. I have seen their fellows publish a lot during their training. On my visit to Michigan, I was impressed by the autonomy that fellows were getting (and of course there is Fred Morady). Heard somewhat similar things about Penn as well (its an exceptionally busy program so get ready to go home at 8-9 PM). Then there are in between programs such as UPMC, Univ of Washington Seattle, Minnesota, NYU, Columbia, Medstar, UCs that give you excellent clinical training but they do OK core EP research. In the end, its all your preferences on what you want to do with our life in long run (academics or non-academics).

 

[AblateMD]

How do people feel about the Boston programs? A lot of turn over recently.
Is a big name leaving a program enough to change the program sufficiently to really alter training? I'm curious what the implications are on education, research, etc. I can't imagine volume changes.

Any one know anything about OHSU?

I have heard very good things about Beaumont and Aurora but this info was more like though a guy who knows someone who's third cousin's former dog walker's husband trained there. Anyone know more?

 

[CardsFellow02]

I'll mirror whats been said regarding programs. A lot will depend on your career goals. If you are interested in private practice with devices and simple and complex fib and SVT, any program that you would feel comfortable in would probably provide great training. There are ACGME requirements for accreditation, and all programs should meet that. Some programs may have strengths (i.e. Worly at Medstar for devices, MRI/CT guided ablation at Utah,) but ultimately, volume and how you learn matters most. If you are interested in the academic world, the stronger programs are known as Michigan / Mayo / Vandy / MGH / Sinai (NY) / VCU / UCSF / Penn. (I know nothing about Hopkins).

Regarding OHSU, I met the PD a few months ago and he seemed like a really nice genuine guy. He had only one fellow this past year (one had to leave training due to a non work-related accident). They do just about everything there from lead extraction, simple devices and epicardial ablations. The hospital location is beautiful and if you like the Pacific Northwest, it's a great place to be. I believe the PD is the one tasked out by HRS to transition to 100% match for all programs. The one caveat was their loss of HF accreditation -I'm not sure if this affected the EP program but it shed a bad academic light. I'm sure any big state university program will provide decent training just from volume alone.

What would be helpful moving forward, and I hope to reach out to some HRS members after the match, [and I encourage all of you to do the same,] would be to push for a time a booth at HRS annual meeting where current EP fellows meet with second and first year cardiology fellows so we can learn about the programs. I would also encourage them to move the match cycle 6 months forward so we don't wait unit December of third year to figure out where we are going. I think most of us have a pretty solid interest in EP by the end of first year to know that we will apply.

 

[mm3794]

Invites:
Cornell 7/16
Michigan 7/17, 7/31
UF Jacksonville 7/19
MedStar Georgetown/WHC 7/19
Vanderbilt 7/22
University of Washington Seattle 7/22
UT Houston 7/23, 7/25, 8/1
Utah 7/23
Albert Einstein Montefiore 7/25
Temple 7/25
OHSU 7/26
UPMC 7/29
George Washington University 7/30
Iowa 7/30, 7/31
University of Kansas 7/30
Mayo 8/1
Case Western 8/5
Boston University SOM/Boston Medical Center 8/5
MGH 8/7
Alabama 8/7, 8/16
Aurora 8/7
Medical college of Wisconsin 8/7
MetroHealth/Case Western 8/8
Geisinger Health System 8/9
Houston Methodist 8/12
NYU 8/12
University of Nebraska 8/13
University of Virginia 8/13
University of Cincinnati 8/14
Medical College of Wisconsin 8/14
UCLA 8/14, 9/3
BWH 8/16
Beaumont Health System 8/16
Penn State Hershey 8/19
Columbia 8/20
University of Minnesota 8/20
Tufts 8/22
UC SanDiego 8/22
UCSF 8/22
Johns Hopkins 8/23




Formal Rejections:
Mayo Rochester 8/2

Likely Filled Internally:
Emory
Cleveland Clinic
University of Indiana
Henry Ford Hospital
Stanford

 

[morte7]

I'll mirror whats been said regarding programs. A lot will depend on your career goals. If you are interested in private practice with devices and simple and complex fib and SVT, any program that you would feel comfortable in would probably provide great training. There are ACGME requirements for accreditation, and all programs should meet that. Some programs may have strengths (i.e. Worly at Medstar for devices, MRI/CT guided ablation at Utah,) but ultimately, volume and how you learn matters most. If you are interested in the academic world, the stronger programs are known as Michigan / Mayo / Vandy / MGH / Sinai (NY) / VCU / UCSF / Penn. (I know nothing about Hopkins).

Regarding OHSU, I met the PD a few months ago and he seemed like a really nice genuine guy. He had only one fellow this past year (one had to leave training due to a non work-related accident). They do just about everything there from lead extraction, simple devices and epicardial ablations. The hospital location is beautiful and if you like the Pacific Northwest, it's a great place to be. I believe the PD is the one tasked out by HRS to transition to 100% match for all programs. The one caveat was their loss of HF accreditation -I'm not sure if this affected the EP program but it shed a bad academic light. I'm sure any big state university program will provide decent training just from volume alone.

What would be helpful moving forward, and I hope to reach out to some HRS members after the match, [and I encourage all of you to do the same,] would be to push for a time a booth at HRS annual meeting where current EP fellows meet with second and first year cardiology fellows so we can learn about the programs. I would also encourage them to move the match cycle 6 months forward so we don't wait unit December of third year to figure out where we are going. I think most of us have a pretty solid interest in EP by the end of first year to know that we will apply.

Speaking of Sinai, anyone heard anything from them? Or WashU?

 

[mm3794]

Invites:
Cornell 7/16
Michigan 7/17, 7/31
UF Jacksonville 7/19
MedStar Georgetown/WHC 7/19
Vanderbilt 7/22
University of Washington Seattle 7/22
UT Houston 7/23, 7/25, 8/1
Utah 7/23
Albert Einstein Montefiore 7/25
Temple 7/25
OHSU 7/26
UPMC 7/29
George Washington University 7/30
Iowa 7/30, 7/31
University of Kansas 7/30
Mayo 8/1
Case Western 8/5
Boston University SOM/Boston Medical Center 8/5
MGH 8/7
Alabama 8/7, 8/16
Aurora 8/7
Medical college of Wisconsin 8/7
MetroHealth/Case Western 8/8
Geisinger Health System 8/9
Houston Methodist 8/12
NYU 8/12
University of Nebraska 8/13
University of Virginia 8/13
University of Cincinnati 8/14
Medical College of Wisconsin 8/14
UCLA 8/14, 9/3
BWH 8/16
Beaumont Health System 8/16
Penn State Hershey 8/19
Columbia 8/20
University of Minnesota 8/20
Tufts 8/22
UC SanDiego 8/22
UCSF 8/22
Johns Hopkins 8/23
Ohio State 9/4




Formal Rejections:
Mayo Rochester 8/2

Likely Filled Internally:
Emory
Cleveland Clinic
University of Indiana
Henry Ford Hospital
Stanford