The first rule about fight club...
That's precisely it. You wouldn't clean houses for $60/hr, but that's what you pay your cleaner. Same as your lawnmower. There is a break even point for money in vs **** done for money. Each site is different. FSED site with =0.5pph is worth $200/hr easily. ****ty place with 2.5 pph and terrible admin? Get ready to pay $500/hr minimum.
You make it sound so fun I almost want to lose the contract at my unicorn job.
Seriously though, there is something nice about going to work at an ED where you know everybody's name, all the consultants, your partners' and nurses' kids, where the administrators are reasonable, where you are in control of most aspects of the job etc, even if it doesn't pay $400-500 an hour.
But if it ever goes away, I think I probably would try gun-slinging for a bit. It's amazing the deals you can get when you don't need the money.
No, you're absolutely right. However, you're in a 1% bubble. Almost every other job is missing one or more of those items. And when your options are rock and hard place, you pick based on salary.
You make it sound so fun I almost want to lose the contract at my unicorn job.
Seriously though, there is something nice about going to work at an ED where you know everybody's name, all the consultants, your partners' and nurses' kids, where the administrators are reasonable, where you are in control of most aspects of the job etc, even if it doesn't pay $400-500 an hour.
But if it ever goes away, I think I probably would try gun-slinging for a bit. It's amazing the deals you can get when you don't need the money.
I remember hearing this lecture from our program director at the start of our last year of residency last year. But for $400-500/hr who cares about the other 2?! hahaha.
You might be. But not once you hear people making more than twice that for the same or possibly an easier job.
$225/hr and you can afford Outback Steakhouse at will. $160/hr and you're back down to Golden Corral.
225/hr at my local gig with full benefits which pushes it up to prob 250/hr. Not great, but taking a haircut living in a nice city in a well functioning ED.
Given typical EM workload that's pushing $100k/yr difference.
Sorry I thought more info was better. Just wondering what the going rate is to be a night doc in a low volume Ed in a cold small town where you are semi single coverage
It's a rural place in upstate ny. I know one hospital offered me $200 an hour (regular hours not nocturnal) And another that is EVEN EXTRA rural offered $220 for regular hours also not nocturnal. So we are saying $250-270 is what I should ask for ? What am I supposed to do with a relocation bonus? I have like 3 suitcases and one tv.
These are good questions. I didn't know to ask how much they make per patient. If I asked and he gave me that number, how would I extrapolate from that how much I deserve per hour ? I wrote down all the answers to most of these questions on a piece of paper which is at home. I'm on vacay. But off the top of my head I remembered there was always a hospitalist in house. They had obgyn gen surg and ortho on call 24/7. I think maybe there's one or two more but those were the ones I remembered cuz those interested me. I remember there was no peds 24/7 so real sick kids would need transferred. Down sides no anaesthesia after 11 pm or something like that. But then they had nice weird things like 24/7 picc team. For psyc patients who were acutely psychotic, suicidal or homidical the nurses would make the call to get them a bed. It's not like we do anything else besides discharge people who don't fit those criteria even with social work around. Also if the volume is 80-90 patients a day, is it unreasonable to assume that 60% of those patients would come during the day? No floor procedures but they help with codes. He said one or two per month. There are like 15 icu beds. Thanks for your input guys !
Why not say something like $400/h? You clearly (from your other post below) have an idea of the going rate in the area. You have a pretty good idea where you're going to end up with this job. Shoot for the moon and see what happens.
Well dayum. Alright thanks a lot. I'll ask during the follow up interview
lol I still feel like a loser/nobody. 400$ an hour? He will laugh in my face. Though I heard through an unreliable source that a dude works there and travels from Chicago and makes $460 an hour.
What is driving these owners to get docs to work for 200/hr is new grads do not know their worth. The experienced ones I know would never work for the above for less than 350/hr.
Well lol I don't know that for sure. That was an unreliable source who told me about the locum
Alright y'all. It's with benefits. What if I say 350.. omg I'll have to practice that in the mirror a few times. I know you guys are seasoned so I believe you guys. It's just that residency seems so much worse than any full time job. Working with a bad mid level is like working those shifts where all you have are interns who pick up one patient every 2 hours...meanwhile I'm carrying 10-12
I can ask a mid level I met 30 seconds ago how much they make per hour ? I must be the only one who gets nervous talking/asking about money.
Family is the problem. There are only 2 other hospitals around within a half hour drive. Aside from those, it becomes an hour plus drive away and when winter comes, it will be absolutely miserable working 12s then driving home at 30 mph because the roads aren't plowed.
But yeah he didn't make an offer. So he's probably hoping I say $200 an hour. What's a good amount that won't end the conversation right away but still gives me some power lol? It's really one of my 3 options.
