Do you recertify in IM after GI certification?

[nolayup]

Just curious. Going through these MKSAP questions wondering if you need to also recertify in IM down the road post GI certification?

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[Nespresso]

Just curious. Going through these MKSAP questions wondering if you need to also recertify in IM down the road post GI certification?

Off topic but, did you get to the one where only 3% chose the right answer? Made me close my laptop today.

 

[gutonc]

Just curious. Going through these MKSAP questions wondering if you need to also recertify in IM down the road post GI certification?

I'm not GI, but the formal answer to your question is that you do not need to keep your IM certification active in order to maintain your sub-specialty cert.

Is there a chance that your job, or hospital where you have credentials will want you to keep both? I suppose, but highly unlikely unless they're employing you as a PCP/Hospitalist who also does GI.

 

[nolayup]

Off topic but, did you get to the one where only 3% chose the right answer? Made me close my laptop today.

haha ugh same here. Looking to do UWORLD as well and not looking forward to that

I'm not GI, but the formal answer to your question is that you do not need to keep your IM certification active in order to maintain your sub-specialty cert.

Is there a chance that your job, or hospital where you have credentials will want you to keep both? I suppose, but highly unlikely unless they're employing you as a PCP/Hospitalist who also does GI.

Thanks!

 

[Nespresso]

haha ugh same here. Looking to do UWORLD as well and not looking forward to that

Thanks!

On topic, I’ll echo gutonc. No need to recert IM. I guess unless you want to moonlight as a hospitalist or something.

off topic, you’re getting uworld as well? I’m worried I won’t even be able to get through all the mksap questions in time. Our IM program has been shoving us into the icu instead of letting us do our electives.

 

[nolayup]

On topic, I’ll echo gutonc. No need to recert IM. I guess unless you want to moonlight as a hospitalist or something.

off topic, you’re getting uworld as well? I’m worried I won’t even be able to get through all the mksap questions in time. Our IM program has been shoving us into the icu instead of letting us do our electives.

My ITE's havent been the greatest so wanted to supplement with UWORLD for some extra insurance. Hoping to also go through board basics as well. Im told that if you do UWORLD, the exam is bit more pleasant.

 

[Nespresso]

My ITE's havent been the greatest so wanted to supplement with UWORLD for some extra insurance. Hoping to also go through board basics as well. Im told that if you do UWORLD, the exam is bit more pleasant.

What percentile is thought to be “safe” in the PGY3 ITE? Board basics is amazing. Reminds me of a first aid.

 

[nolayup]

What percentile is thought to be “safe” in the PGY3 ITE? Board basics is amazing. Reminds me of a first aid.

Not too familiar with the ITE correlation but I've heard that 60-70% on MKSAP has some correlation.

 

[Hotshy]

As someone who did well on ABIM this year, MKSAP is kind of garbage when preparing for ABIM. Uworld qbank prepares you well and the question content accurately reflects what is on the actual exam. Master uworld and you will pass no problem. I would not endorse MKSAP in the same way.

 

[Gastrapathy]

Absolutely not. If you can’t think of a better use for that cash, give it to charity. Don’t give the ABIM one extra dime

 

[ShiShiMD]

for IM awesome review 2 days intensive you be fine , and yes you need ABIM-Medicine recertification

 

[gutonc]

for IM awesome review 2 days intensive you be fine , and yes you need ABIM-Medicine recertification

Need it for what exactly?

 

[ShiShiMD]

Need it for what exactly?

needed to recertify as ABIM-Internal Medicine, some hospitals or insurance payers I think need both IM and GI for credentialing so allowing the GI physician to take Medicine calls

 

[Gastrapathy]

Why in heavens name do you want to take internal medicine call? I don’t like taking GI call.

 

[ChessMaster3000]

needed to recertify as ABIM-Internal Medicine, some hospitals or insurance payers I think need both IM and GI for credentialing so allowing the GI physician to take Medicine calls

this is debatable, it is often said both are required, but I dont see any evidence to the case. If you know for certain your hospital requires both IM and GI, then by all means you can recertify for both. but no need to 'assume' that's the case and neurotically recertify for both 'just in case'. if you are going to recertify in both IM and GI you should have a thoughtful, specific, evidence based reason for doing so (ie, you have actually checked your hospital's credentialing requirements and it states both fields are required). and yeah, DONT take medicine call. what the f

 

[gutonc]

needed to recertify as ABIM-Internal Medicine, some hospitals or insurance payers I think need both IM and GI for credentialing so allowing the GI physician to take Medicine calls

Payors definitely don't care. Your hospital may care, but I doubt it.

And why on earth would you take Gen Med call when you're a sub-specialist, unless you're working somewhere that being a hospitalist is part of your sub-specialty job.

 

[Gastrapathy]

I didn’t recert when it was time quite some years ago. It’s had 0.0 impact on my life except that I didn’t waste (extra) money on the ivory tower/ABIM conspiracy.

 

[ShiShiMD]

Why in heavens name do you want to take internal medicine call? I don’t like taking GI call.

this is debatable, it is often said both are required, but I dont see any evidence to the case. If you know for certain your hospital requires both IM and GI, then by all means you can recertify for both. but no need to 'assume' that's the case and neurotically recertify for both 'just in case'. if you are going to recertify in both IM and GI you should have a thoughtful, specific, evidence based reason for doing so (ie, you have actually checked your hospital's credentialing requirements and it states both fields are required). and yeah, DONT take medicine call. what the f

Payors definitely don't care. Your hospital may care, but I doubt it.

And why on earth would you take Gen Med call when you're a sub-specialist, unless you're working somewhere that being a hospitalist is part of your sub-specialty job.

I know but is part of the contract, the week you on call for GI you rounding for Internal medicine, is insane, but that's the only way to get Medicine 650$ now 750$ a call. Gastro --> 7 days call--> 850$ for weekday (each day), 1750$ for the weekend(Each day) if not, we will or they won't pay us for calls

 

[ShiShiMD]

Recertification, if not needed please tell me exactly how to bypass it, I keep asking this from credentialing and they keep telling me you need both to get paid for both services.

 

[ShiShiMD]

I didn’t recert when it was time quite some years ago. It’s had 0.0 impact on my life except that I didn’t waste (extra) money on the ivory tower/ABIM conspiracy.

LMAO Ivory tower ..... well said

 

[Gastrapathy]

If you are taking IM call, that’s absurd. They are abusing you.

 

[gutonc]

I know but is part of the contract, the week you on call for GI you rounding for Internal medicine, is insane, but that's the only way to get Medicine 650$ now 750$ a call. Gastro --> 7 days call--> 850$ for weekday (each day), 1750$ for the weekend(Each day) if not, we will or they won't pay us for calls

So, are you acting as a hospitalist and GI? Is this as rural critical access hospital? For $850 a day? F*** that noise.

Recertification, if not needed please tell me exactly how to bypass it, I keep asking this from credentialing and they keep telling me you need both to get paid for both services.

Again, if you are a hospitalist AND a GI, then yes. If you are just taking GI call and doing consults, no. That said, the hospital makes the rules, so if they say you have to have both, even just to do GI consults, you do. You should also make sure to ask the physician head of the Credentialing Committee why that is the case, and your department chair. Because, as a department chair, If my hospital required that despite ABIM not doing so, I would shut that s*** down in a hot second.

If you are taking IM call, that’s absurd. They are abusing you.

200% this. Name the hospital (in either case) so nobody else has to subject themselves to such a crap job.

 

[cabergoline2]

I know but is part of the contract, the week you on call for GI you rounding for Internal medicine, is insane, but that's the only way to get Medicine 650$ now 750$ a call. Gastro --> 7 days call--> 850$ for weekday (each day), 1750$ for the weekend(Each day) if not, we will or they won't pay us for calls

750 a call ? call is 12 hours i suppose ? is that industry standard? because it seems like low balling ?

 

[Gastrapathy]

This entire thread makes no sense to me. IM call? Hospitals requiring IM certification? Doing IM overnights as a gastroenterologist? Taking a week of call straight? There are so many great GI jobs out there but apparently not all of them.

 

[ShiShiMD]

Guys the pandemic has made the situation very bad, patients do not show up, the dropped hospital CRC screening rate due to patients not showing up (Because of pandemic, because of being scared and because lack of CRC screening advocacy is making GI loose money for now).

The only way that we can survive and still get the base salary is to work hard and cover what we know and competent in.

Lets hope everyone gets vaccinated

lets hope this March we echo and advocate for CRC screening

It a hard life, being a GI trying to make 12800 wRVU needs a lot of work now, people were hitting up to 18000 wRVU same person is hitting 7000 this year.

 

[ShiShiMD]

If you are taking IM call, that’s absurd. They are abusing you.

I cant say they are abusing, is part of the contract to be reimbursed since we need to go over the threshold of wRVU to make the extra wRVU, but yeah what Can I do, If I do not take the calls, the hospital is low in staff.

It is Urban and Rural. 3 Hospitals

 

[hemosuccus]

Echoing and summarizing the above: You don't need to, and if not going to stay active doing IM very little reason to unless you want to pay for a second lake house for an ABIM C-suiter. Some attendings at my program have done it for their own interest and a personal goal, more power to them, they are in the 1% of those who do. No hospital will require IM recert unless you are looking to practice IM/ Hospitalist/ PCP. I would say no jobs like this exist but apparently there may be some- don't take them unless that is your aim. This does NOT apply to any GI Hospitalist job posting I have seen.