Thundrstorm said:
Why can you only think in extremes? Your point was refuted about genetics as the cause of differences in measured intelligence, crime, other. So immediately "genetics is meaningless." Typical black/white, with me or against me, mentality.Shredder said:
I'm sorry. I think im going to have to disagree with bernito and gostudy.....just a bit.Shredder said:
MissMary said:
Two dark skinned women, VERY different "looks". 
1Path said:Alec Wek is NOT attractive, IMHO. Lauren Hill IS, with or without the perm.
Sometimes I think folks go overboard with the definition of beauty and this goes for dark and light skin. Everything "dark" isn't "lovely" and everything "light" is "all right". But details of such a discussion would be more appropriately debated on OTHER websites.
Issus of skin shade/color permeate Indian culture much more than African Americans, but I don't see them debating HERE about it!
Just my 2 cents!
gostudy said:
Shredder said:
Newton Bohr MD said:
yep... meagan goode1Path said:
MissMary said:
good to know...thx1Path said:I'm probably more attuned to Indian culture because one of my closest friends is Indian and one of my doctors is as well. Plus, I studied Indian culture in undergrad.
You are right, the culture is more structured on social caste system/economics than it is on skin color, but just like in America, the poorest folks "just happen" to be darker skinned too. As such, it's REAL hard to seperate social and economic inequities from melanin.
) you can probably find social psychology studies on things such as: who people most desire to rent to (order is: 1. white, 2. asian, 3. hispanic, 4. black), as well as employers' perceptions of resumes submitted with stereotypically white names and same resumes submitted with stereotypically black names (guess which were viewed more positively?) No, we aren't all equal yet (as far as opportunities before anyone thinks I support this genetics madness that's been posted previously) but it's easy to tell yourself that we are when viewing it from the outside.I was thinking more about this over the weekend b/c I saw this show on animal planet that described a study on pheromones. Women in the study preferred men's pheromones (which are encoded on genes near our MHCs) that had MHCs that tended to be the most different from their own. The proposed explanation was that this promoted the species b/c the offspring would have a more diversified immune system.MissMary said:
infiniti said:
It just goes to show that there is not much to say about AA
just the same old BS arguments with undertones of jealousy.
Newton Bohr MD said:hahah yeah, I was very surprised that it somehow managed to take this direction.
unoriginal said:
Congratulations!ether^O^ said:Man, this was an awesome post. I wonder why the pro-AA people in this argument didn't respond to it? Was it because the facts show that Affirmative Action allows URMs to take the spots of some non-URMs? Anyway, I want to start off by saying that I am East Asian, and that after reading this thread, as well as the other thread on the MD forum, that many of the arguments that pro-AA people give are complete BS. First of all, you guys talk about how hard it is to be a URM (black or latino), and how none of us know how hard it is to be one? Um...have you considered how freakin' hard it is to be an Asian American? We're (generally) not blessed with the size and athleticism of blacks to be able to dominate in sports and any other physical activity, nor are we blessed with having lived in this country for many generations (as numerous blacks and hispanics have). In addition to racism and discrimination that we face from white people, we have to deal with being bullied by blacks and hispanics for not speaking English and coming from a foreign country. Therefore, the only thing Asians have going for us is hard work and our wits. A lot of non-Asians think Asians WANT to work hard and we're successful in the United States because our parents are rich and had an education. Um...my dad was a waiter and worked in a print-copy company AND went to school full-time at a community college for many years before he was able to get a license and establish his business in America. How many blacks, whites, and hispanics do you see doing that? How much pride do you think my father had to swallow and how much did he have to sacrifice so that his kids can have it good in the United States? I know generalizations are not always true, but generalizations and stereotypes are based off of truths. I accept the fact that people call Asians cheap and physically weak, because it's generally true. Most Asians are cheap and (at least in the United States) physically weak. But the thing is that our Confucian cultural values allow us to succeed through respecting our parents, loving our families, valuing education, and working hard. This is why despite being behind for many decades, East Asia is finally on the rise again and why there are so many successful Asian Americans in this country.
The one thing non-Asians NEVER mention when talking about Asians is that there are, indeed, poor Asians in this country. Look at the thousands of poor Chinese and Vietnamese kids in Chinatowns throughout the country, whose parents work at dead-end jobs like sewing clothes for sweat-shop pay in dark basements, being waiters at restaurants, etc. These children have just as few opportunities for good early (elementary school, middle school) education and whose parents probably have less money than blacks and hispanics but find a way to succeed through their own hard work.
It pisses the crap out of me when URMs bitch an moan about how slavery in the 1800s affected them, or how they're not getting a fair shot in life. Um...why don't you look at Asian Americans? Many of us come to the United States with no money and shed blood and tears for countless years before (if you're lucky) being successful. Instead of spending our money on Air Jordans and gold jewelry, we put our money in the savings account so that we can pay for our kids' education. The last time I looked, the libraries at my top-20 univeristy wasn't filled by hispanics and blacks, but mostly by East and South Asians. Do you think we WANT to spend hours on end studying for biology or saving all our money so that we can't buy decent clothes? We would rather be out in the world doing other things. But the fact is that racism and discrimination both in the educational system and out in the job market forces us to work harder than everyone else. Affirmative action hurts us big time in schools, and racism/discrimination in the job market hurts us out there, so we don't really have a choice but to work hard in academics. In fact, I think the reason why whites (who run this country) even allow affirmative action to exist is because they feel guilty for having slavery, divide minorities apart, and because it's a way to hold Asians down (since it doesn't really help URMs). Quotas are used to suppress Asian enrollment in higher education the same way they were used to keep the number of Jews in universities/medical schools down. The fact that it still exists for Asians seems racist to me. I mean, is it a crime that so many Asians work hard and apply to medical schools? If it were by merrit only, there would be more than 19% Asian enrollment in medical schools.
So yes, it is extremely unfair that Asians have to work 2x as hard as people from other ethnicities just because of our skin color. I think affrimative action does nothing to help blacks and latinos, as shown by the evidence that there hasn't been a rise (or an insignificant one) in URM enrollment in professional schools or universities. The only thing that can help is adopting a culture that values education and family over rap/street-culture. I mean, what good is affirmative action when there aren't enough URMs who are actually in college or even high school to use it? Yes, it is undoubtedly tragic the economic woes that many blacks and hispanics go through, but it's mostly from improper guidance through their early years of life. So instead of affirmative action, we need to implement some other changes upstream. I long for the day in which Asian Americans won't get screwed by the system, in which we use applicant IDs to apply instead of names so that they can't see that you're Asian (i.e. Chang, Sameer, Wong, etc.), and that the race box will be done away with. I also hope that there will be more Asian American managers, large business owners, and politicians. I'll do all there is in my power to get rid of racial affirmative action once I graduate college, but since it's here now, I hope AA extends to sports so that I'll have other people besides Yao Ming to look up to
Oh, and one last thing, if you think racism in the US is rough, you should try being an oppressed minority in Eastern European or East Asian countries, and see if complaining to the government would help you any. I think racism in the United States will never end. Caucasians (generally) will always look down upon minorities, and the only thing we can do is work hard and fight to pass laws that end in equality for all people (i.e. using applicant IDs instead of names for both work and school to make acceptance totally color-blind).
You win the award for the most steroetypes in a single post in SDN history.1Path said:but just like in America, the poorest folks "just happen" to be darker skinned too. As such, it's REAL hard to seperate social and economic inequities from melanin.
well... let's be clear on what kind of tan is considered widely attractive in our culture. Tanned caucasian skin is not the same as truly dark skin (e.g. African-American skin).OzDDS said:Historically in all countries in all parts of the world.. most people found lighter skinned people more attractive (even in Anglo countries) because it was an indication of wealth. (ie. you did not have to labor in the sun). But in todays culture, it is the opposite.. that being darker or having the 'eternal dark tan' is very attractive for the same reason.. $$ wealth $$.. cept now it indicates that you have enough $$ to not be indoors (all day slaving under florescent lights of an office/warehouse all day).
ether^O^ said:Man, this was an awesome post. I wonder why the pro-AA people in this argument didn't respond to it? Was it because the facts show that Affirmative Action allows URMs to take the spots of some non-URMs? Anyway, I want to start off by saying that I am East Asian, and that after reading this thread, as well as the other thread on the MD forum, that many of the arguments that pro-AA people give are complete BS. First of all, you guys talk about how hard it is to be a URM (black or latino), and how none of us know how hard it is to be one? Um...have you considered how freakin' hard it is to be an Asian American? We're (generally) not blessed with the size and athleticism of blacks to be able to dominate in sports and any other physical activity, nor are we blessed with having lived in this country for many generations (as numerous blacks and hispanics have). In addition to racism and discrimination that we face from white people, we have to deal with being bullied by blacks and hispanics for not speaking English and coming from a foreign country. Therefore, the only thing Asians have going for us is hard work and our wits. A lot of non-Asians think Asians WANT to work hard and we're successful in the United States because our parents are rich and had an education. Um...my dad was a waiter and worked in a print-copy company AND went to school full-time at a community college for many years before he was able to get a license and establish his business in America. How many blacks, whites, and hispanics do you see doing that? How much pride do you think my father had to swallow and how much did he have to sacrifice so that his kids can have it good in the United States? I know generalizations are not always true, but generalizations and stereotypes are based off of truths. I accept the fact that people call Asians cheap and physically weak, because it's generally true. Most Asians are cheap and (at least in the United States) physically weak. But the thing is that our Confucian cultural values allow us to succeed through respecting our parents, loving our families, valuing education, and working hard. This is why despite being behind for many decades, East Asia is finally on the rise again and why there are so many successful Asian Americans in this country.
The one thing non-Asians NEVER mention when talking about Asians is that there are, indeed, poor Asians in this country. Look at the thousands of poor Chinese and Vietnamese kids in Chinatowns throughout the country, whose parents work at dead-end jobs like sewing clothes for sweat-shop pay in dark basements, being waiters at restaurants, etc. These children have just as few opportunities for good early (elementary school, middle school) education and whose parents probably have less money than blacks and hispanics but find a way to succeed through their own hard work.
It pisses the crap out of me when URMs bitch an moan about how slavery in the 1800s affected them, or how they're not getting a fair shot in life. Um...why don't you look at Asian Americans? Many of us come to the United States with no money and shed blood and tears for countless years before (if you're lucky) being successful. Instead of spending our money on Air Jordans and gold jewelry, we put our money in the savings account so that we can pay for our kids' education. The last time I looked, the libraries at my top-20 univeristy wasn't filled by hispanics and blacks, but mostly by East and South Asians. Do you think we WANT to spend hours on end studying for biology or saving all our money so that we can't buy decent clothes? We would rather be out in the world doing other things. But the fact is that racism and discrimination both in the educational system and out in the job market forces us to work harder than everyone else. Affirmative action hurts us big time in schools, and racism/discrimination in the job market hurts us out there, so we don't really have a choice but to work hard in academics. In fact, I think the reason why whites (who run this country) even allow affirmative action to exist is because they feel guilty for having slavery, divide minorities apart, and because it's a way to hold Asians down (since it doesn't really help URMs). Quotas are used to suppress Asian enrollment in higher education the same way they were used to keep the number of Jews in universities/medical schools down. The fact that it still exists for Asians seems racist to me. I mean, is it a crime that so many Asians work hard and apply to medical schools? If it were by merrit only, there would be more than 19% Asian enrollment in medical schools.
So yes, it is extremely unfair that Asians have to work 2x as hard as people from other ethnicities just because of our skin color. I think affrimative action does nothing to help blacks and latinos, as shown by the evidence that there hasn't been a rise (or an insignificant one) in URM enrollment in professional schools or universities. The only thing that can help is adopting a culture that values education and family over rap/street-culture. I mean, what good is affirmative action when there aren't enough URMs who are actually in college or even high school to use it? Yes, it is undoubtedly tragic the economic woes that many blacks and hispanics go through, but it's mostly from improper guidance through their early years of life. So instead of affirmative action, we need to implement some other changes upstream. I long for the day in which Asian Americans won't get screwed by the system, in which we use applicant IDs to apply instead of names so that they can't see that you're Asian (i.e. Chang, Sameer, Wong, etc.), and that the race box will be done away with. I also hope that there will be more Asian American managers, large business owners, and politicians. I'll do all there is in my power to get rid of racial affirmative action once I graduate college, but since it's here now, I hope AA extends to sports so that I'll have other people besides Yao Ming to look up to
Oh, and one last thing, if you think racism in the US is rough, you should try being an oppressed minority in Eastern European or East Asian countries, and see if complaining to the government would help you any. I think racism in the United States will never end. Caucasians (generally) will always look down upon minorities, and the only thing we can do is work hard and fight to pass laws that end in equality for all people (i.e. using applicant IDs instead of names for both work and school to make acceptance totally color-blind).
ether^O^ said:Man, this was an awesome post. I wonder why the pro-AA people in this argument didn't respond to it? Was it because the facts show that Affirmative Action allows URMs to take the spots of some non-URMs? Anyway, I want to start off by saying that I am East Asian, and that after reading this thread, as well as the other thread on the MD forum, that many of the arguments that pro-AA people give are complete BS. First of all, you guys talk about how hard it is to be a URM (black or latino), and how none of us know how hard it is to be one? Um...have you considered how freakin' hard it is to be an Asian American? We're (generally) not blessed with the size and athleticism of blacks to be able to dominate in sports and any other physical activity, nor are we blessed with having lived in this country for many generations (as numerous blacks and hispanics have). In addition to racism and discrimination that we face from white people, we have to deal with being bullied by blacks and hispanics for not speaking English and coming from a foreign country. Therefore, the only thing Asians have going for us is hard work and our wits. A lot of non-Asians think Asians WANT to work hard and we're successful in the United States because our parents are rich and had an education. Um...my dad was a waiter and worked in a print-copy company AND went to school full-time at a community college for many years before he was able to get a license and establish his business in America. How many blacks, whites, and hispanics do you see doing that? How much pride do you think my father had to swallow and how much did he have to sacrifice so that his kids can have it good in the United States? I know generalizations are not always true, but generalizations and stereotypes are based off of truths. I accept the fact that people call Asians cheap and physically weak, because it's generally true. Most Asians are cheap and (at least in the United States) physically weak. But the thing is that our Confucian cultural values allow us to succeed through respecting our parents, loving our families, valuing education, and working hard. This is why despite being behind for many decades, East Asia is finally on the rise again and why there are so many successful Asian Americans in this country.
The one thing non-Asians NEVER mention when talking about Asians is that there are, indeed, poor Asians in this country. Look at the thousands of poor Chinese and Vietnamese kids in Chinatowns throughout the country, whose parents work at dead-end jobs like sewing clothes for sweat-shop pay in dark basements, being waiters at restaurants, etc. These children have just as few opportunities for good early (elementary school, middle school) education and whose parents probably have less money than blacks and hispanics but find a way to succeed through their own hard work.
It pisses the crap out of me when URMs bitch an moan about how slavery in the 1800s affected them, or how they're not getting a fair shot in life. Um...why don't you look at Asian Americans? Many of us come to the United States with no money and shed blood and tears for countless years before (if you're lucky) being successful. Instead of spending our money on Air Jordans and gold jewelry, we put our money in the savings account so that we can pay for our kids' education. The last time I looked, the libraries at my top-20 univeristy wasn't filled by hispanics and blacks, but mostly by East and South Asians. Do you think we WANT to spend hours on end studying for biology or saving all our money so that we can't buy decent clothes? We would rather be out in the world doing other things. But the fact is that racism and discrimination both in the educational system and out in the job market forces us to work harder than everyone else. Affirmative action hurts us big time in schools, and racism/discrimination in the job market hurts us out there, so we don't really have a choice but to work hard in academics. In fact, I think the reason why whites (who run this country) even allow affirmative action to exist is because they feel guilty for having slavery, divide minorities apart, and because it's a way to hold Asians down (since it doesn't really help URMs). Quotas are used to suppress Asian enrollment in higher education the same way they were used to keep the number of Jews in universities/medical schools down. The fact that it still exists for Asians seems racist to me. I mean, is it a crime that so many Asians work hard and apply to medical schools? If it were by merrit only, there would be more than 19% Asian enrollment in medical schools.
So yes, it is extremely unfair that Asians have to work 2x as hard as people from other ethnicities just because of our skin color. I think affrimative action does nothing to help blacks and latinos, as shown by the evidence that there hasn't been a rise (or an insignificant one) in URM enrollment in professional schools or universities. The only thing that can help is adopting a culture that values education and family over rap/street-culture. I mean, what good is affirmative action when there aren't enough URMs who are actually in college or even high school to use it? Yes, it is undoubtedly tragic the economic woes that many blacks and hispanics go through, but it's mostly from improper guidance through their early years of life. So instead of affirmative action, we need to implement some other changes upstream. I long for the day in which Asian Americans won't get screwed by the system, in which we use applicant IDs to apply instead of names so that they can't see that you're Asian (i.e. Chang, Sameer, Wong, etc.), and that the race box will be done away with. I also hope that there will be more Asian American managers, large business owners, and politicians. I'll do all there is in my power to get rid of racial affirmative action once I graduate college, but since it's here now, I hope AA extends to sports so that I'll have other people besides Yao Ming to look up to
Oh, and one last thing, if you think racism in the US is rough, you should try being an oppressed minority in Eastern European or East Asian countries, and see if complaining to the government would help you any. I think racism in the United States will never end. Caucasians (generally) will always look down upon minorities, and the only thing we can do is work hard and fight to pass laws that end in equality for all people (i.e. using applicant IDs instead of names for both work and school to make acceptance totally color-blind).
be blessed
realtalk said:I believe everyone on this thread needs to watch a television show called "Black/White" on FX channel if you have cable. In the show they have a black family dress up white and a white family dress up black. Then they go into society and see how they are treated. After watching this show you tell me if you still think AA isn't necessary evil.
realtalk said:I believe everyone on this thread needs to watch a television show called "Black/White" on FX channel if you have cable. In the show they have a black family dress up white and a white family dress up black. Then they go into society and see how they are treated. After watching this show you tell me if you still think AA isn't necessary evil.
Newton Bohr MD said:another asian complaining/bragging
see this thread http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=74452&highlight=asians+succeed
ether^O^ said:Haha, complaining? Dude, first of all, I don't know if you read my entire post, because I dissed Asians a lot actually (i.e. cheap, willingness to get stepped on, etc.). All I said was that our culture enables us to succeed in modern society, as evidenced by the rising powers in Asia (esp. China and Southeast Asia), and the already wealthy countries of Japan, Singapore, Korea, etc. If I were black and still have Chinese culture, I will 100% be more successful than I am now. In addition to doing well academically, I will also be able to dominate in all the popular sports (which, unfortunately, Asians are generally bad at). Because Asians are 1) a minority 2) are from foreign countries so can't speak the language and don't know the customs 3) generally short 4) generally physically weak, I think we have it worse off in the US than any other race, except that our culture makes us successful. So in that sense, I am not saying Asians are superior at all. I actually want to help Blacks and Hispanics do better in this country, because it is sad that most of the people living in poverty in the US are Blacks and Hispanics. However, affirmative action is not the way to solve this problem (as seen by the stagnant rates of admission in undergraduate/graduate schools for URMs). If URMs want to succeed, they need to reduce the amount of bitching to the White-controlled government who won't help them and rely on themselves instead. I am 100% sure if URMs adopted Confucian culture or something similar to it (focus on education, family values, etc.), then they will do MUCH better than they're doing now. Unfortunately, most URMs are too cocky and will stick with their "street" culture (which I don't want to talk about). Well, the one thing that I'll say about that is that is: you know the message is bad if they're glorifying being poor, addicted to drugs, and banging prostitutes (although reggae-ton and rap have awesome beats).
Not all Asians that come to the US start with an education or are rich to begin with. A lot of us come here because we don't have any opportunities in our home countries and want to make a good living here. So when we first come to the US, we live in small, dingy apartments in Chinatown and work as cooks, waiters, etc., paying our kids through school. Although our lives would not be that great because of our lack of education, our kids will be educated and have good lives. URMs, unfortunately, do not do this. Instead of sacrificing themselves for the next generation, a lot of Blacks do things to make their kids have even WORSE lives, like take/sell drugs, rob/steal, and then get thrown in jail so that the kids have no guidance (1/4 of Black males in the US have been to prison). And I HATE hearing that "oh, I need to sell dope to put food on the table for my kids." That is Bull****!!! Why don't you swallow your pride and work at McDonald's or bag groceries at Safeway? Just because selling drugs makes you a lot of money doesn't justify doing it. Hispanics also screw their kids over by making their kids help them out at their work and drop their education. So instead of helping their kids do better, they are stuck at the same level as their parents, and it goes on and on.
Anyway, I know a lot of what I said was stereotyping, but again, stereotypes are based off truths. The stereotypes I have listed are generally true...if you walk in to a ghetto, almost all of them will be either black or hispanic, and many of them participate in the activities I have listed.
And lastly, that "black/white" show is complete BS. I mean, yes, racism occurs, but it's stupid to make a TV show about it. Like the black guy said, racism is suffered throughout your life...you can't go and look for a few instaces of it, because it's more subtle. I think a lot of the crap on that show is exaggerated (especially the annoying black guy and girl who accuse the whites of being racist, when it wasn't their intention at all...oh, and the white lady talks too much also)
ether^O^ said:
njbmd said:Hi there,
It's an odd thing but the majority of black folks can understand that rappers are for entertainment purposes. We are also able to think for ourselves and do not blindly follow anyone who advocates breaking the law. Many black children grow up in households that have both father and mother (I did) and many of us do fairly well in school (good undergrad GPA, good graduate GPA, Alpha Omega Alpha in medical school and finishing surgical residency). Some us graduate Summa Cum Laude and listen to rap music too.
The exception is to idolize rappers and gangsters in the African-American community but I suspect that your knowledge of the African-American community is through what you see on the telly. There's a healthy law-abiding African-American middle class out there that is doing just fine. We send our children to school and we listen to Tupac, Nelly and 50 Cent because it's entertainment and not a role model any more than every Caucasion "leader" or musician is a role model for whites.
njbmd
njbmd said:Hi there,
It's an odd thing but the majority of black folks can understand that rappers are for entertainment purposes. We are also able to think for ourselves and do not blindly follow anyone who advocates breaking the law. Many black children grow up in households that have both father and mother (I did) and many of us do fairly well in school (good undergrad GPA, good graduate GPA, Alpha Omega Alpha in medical school and finishing surgical residency). Some us graduate Summa Cum Laude and listen to rap music too.
The exception is to idolize rappers and gangsters in the African-American community but I suspect that your knowledge of the African-American community is through what you see on the telly. There's a healthy law-abiding African-American middle class out there that is doing just fine. We send our children to school and we listen to Tupac, Nelly and 50 Cent because it's entertainment and not a role model any more than every Caucasion "leader" or musician is a role model for whites.
njbmd
ether^O^ said:
And how will you help them, by assuming things based on their racial classification and then whining about it on the internet? While it is true that a disproportionate number of non-white Americans live in poverty, it is also true that various social factors have historically contributed to this situation. Perhaps you are not aware that the percentage of black Americans living under the poverty line has steadily decreased over the last 50 years.ether^O^ said:
Do you actually know any URMs? And do you honestly believe that black and latino culture is synonymous with "street" culture? You appear to be very uninformed.
Seriously, do you actually know any black people? As for your McDonalds comment, do you know what people make at McDonalds? It's not a living wage. But perhaps you are not familiar with the term "the working poor." And I can assure that not all parents of Hispanic origine make their kids work for them.
Been to many ghettos, have you? I know black AND white people living in housing projects, so maybe all of the many ghettos you've visited just happened to be in the wrong area. Stereotypes are based in ignorance and prejudice, not truth.
I haven't seen the show, so I can't comment on that. But I will say this: racism is not always subtle; it can be very blatant and horrific. There's no need to exaggerate it because there is plenty of racism in the world anyway. And although it is commendable to succeed despite prejudice, there is nothing wrong with confronting it. No one has to deem racism an acceptable fact of life.And lastly, that "black/white" show is complete BS. I mean, yes, racism occurs, but it's stupid to make a TV show about it. Like the black guy said, racism is suffered throughout your life...you can't go and look for a few instaces of it, because it's more subtle. I think a lot of the crap on that show is exaggerated (especially the annoying black guy and girl who accuse the whites of being racist, when it wasn't their intention at all...oh, and the white lady talks too much also)
ether^O^ said:
Thundrstorm said:I'm not quite sure where to start here.
And how will you help them, by assuming things based on their racial classification and then whining about it on the internet? While it is true that a disproportionate number of non-white Americans live in poverty, it is also true that various social factors have historically contributed to this situation. Perhaps you are not aware that the percentage of black Americans living under the poverty line has steadily decreased over the last 50 years.
Do you actually know any URMs? And do you honestly believe that black and latino culture is synonymous with "street" culture? You appear to be very uninformed.
Seriously, do you actually know any black people? As for your McDonalds comment, do you know what people make at McDonalds? It's not a living wage. But perhaps you are not familiar with the term "the working poor." And I can assure that not all parents of Hispanic origine make their kids work for them.
Been to many ghettos, have you? I know black AND white people living in housing projects, so maybe all of the many ghettos you've visited just happened to be in the wrong area. Stereotypes are based in ignorance and prejudice, not truth.
I haven't seen the show, so I can't comment on that. But I will say this: racism is not always subtle; it can be very blatant and horrific. There's no need to exaggerate it because there is plenty of racism in the world anyway. And although it is commendable to succeed despite prejudice, there is nothing wrong with confronting it. No one has to deem racism an acceptable fact of life.
Well, what is the racial makeup of most poor rural areas in this country? Not all poor Americans live in ghettos. Anyway, you missed my original point, which is that not all black Americans live in ghettos.ether^O^ said:
Oh, you're SURE? Have you ever tried to support yourself (and possibly children) off of $6/hr? It's not as easy as you think. And seeing as that this is not China, where the cost of living and the economic system is different, your comparison is not really relevant. Are you aware that millions of Americans work for a living and yet live below the poverty line? Minimum wage is not truly a living wage.
Actually, I said "ignorance," not "arrogance." There's a reason why we have different words in the English language for "stereotype" and "fact," They don't mean the same thing. Stereotypes, which may be generated from particular personal experiences, are problematic because they apply either an inaccurate idea or an idea that is only accurate on a small-scale to a large population. Generalizations, inaccuracy, bias, simplification, exaggeration... these all twist what may have started as a kernel of truth (or what may have started as a complete fabrication based on ignorance or hate). In any event, it is both unwise and offensive to interact with others based on stereotypes.
I live in the DC area, which would skew the experiment. But anyway, as I said above, my intent was simply to admonish you not to jump from "Ghettos are predominately black.' to "Blacks are predominately in gehttos."
I know Chinese people. but I'd rather not stereotype them, thanks.
I never said we needed affirmative action; I merely felt it necessary to correct your many ignorant viewpoints on people unlike yourself.And lastly, if you guys think that URMs (esp blacks) have doing so well in the USA, why do we need affirmative action in the first place? I demand a report back in 3 months, exactly
Thundrstorm said:
Newton Bohr MD said:John Mcwhorter is that you??
autoimmunity said:
