Did not match...what to do for next year?

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Hello everyone. I am a FMG who did not match this year. I was wondering what
I could do to strengthen my resume for the following year. Does anyone know how to become involved in a research project or a good website they could refer me to about this?? Externships/observerships would be of little help to me since I've already finished clinicals in the US. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks...

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Hello everyone. I am a FMG who did not match this year. I was wondering what
I could do to strengthen my resume for the following year. Does anyone know how to become involved in a research project or a good website they could refer me to about this?? Externships/observerships would be of little help to me since I've already finished clinicals in the US. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks...

Before you start planning how to strengthen your application, you'll need to identify your deficiencies. There's not much emphasis on research in most FM residencies, so I honestly doubt that a lack of research is what kept you from matching.
 
I suggest you contact the programs directly and ask them. It will show that you are still interested, and that you have perseverance!

If it were me, I'd try to do some medical volunteer work for the year. It will keep your skills up and will give you something new to talk about in your interviews.
 
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thanks for your responses. I believe what kept me out this year was that I did not have my ECFMG certificate during the time of my application. So medical volunteer work...through a hospital with a residency program or anywhere?

The reason I was asking about research was because I was thinking of applying to psych as well. I don't know if research is valued more in FM vs Psych....any thoughts??
 
I doubt it was your lack of ECFMG certification at time of application or interview if you just graduated/graduating this spring. If you've graduated a year ago or more and did not have your ECFMG certification then yes, it may have been a problem. PD's realize that we will not have our ECFMG certification until we graduate... well after the application/interview cycle. I don't think it was your lack of ECFMG certification considering most of my classmates matched and we are all graduating this spring.
 
The reason I was asking about research was because I was thinking of applying to psych as well. I don't know if research is valued more in FM vs Psych....any thoughts??
If you haven't taken Step 3 yet, take it by this summer so that programs will not have to worry about you passing it later on. That would be my 1st priority. As time allows, keep yourself involved clinically in some shape or form.
If you had little success w/ FM this yr, I would not put too much hope on Psych, but try anyways. Best wishes.
 
You might also consider applying to IM programs, if you didn't already. There are almost twice as many positions offered in IM as there are FM. Whatever you do, interview broadly, and make a long rank list.
 
man. thats just something that is hardly ever thought about. you get into med sko, bust your butt to pass, and the you follow through on procedure to match. but.... no match??? sucks man. im totally sorry for ya. :(
 
man. thats just something that is hardly ever thought about. you get into med sko, bust your butt to pass, and the you follow through on procedure to match. but.... no match??? sucks man. im totally sorry for ya. :(

Don't get too down......you never know.. maybe you will match into a program next year that is better than the ones you interviewed with this year. I agree with the previous poster: ask the program directors what they thought your weaknesses were and see if it is possible to correct them. Also take Step III now since it will be much easier to study for it.
 
Hello everyone. I am a FMG who did not match this year. I was wondering what
I could do to strengthen my resume for the following year. Does anyone know how to become involved in a research project or a good website they could refer me to about this?? Externships/observerships would be of little help to me since I've already finished clinicals in the US. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks...

have you tried scrambling? there are still plenty of open spots
 
have you tried scrambling? there are still plenty of open spots

What open spots? Scramble been closed long ago and the programs with open spots pretty much have a billion applicant and are "considering".
 
Dude,
Sorry you didn't match and all, but how the hell could you not secure a spot in an FM residency?!? It is hands down one of the easiest residencies to match into.:confused:
 
how the hell could you not secure a spot in an FM residency?!? It is hands down one of the easiest residencies to match into.:confused:

"Relatively noncompetitive" does not mean "guaranteed match." Every program has standards.
 
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"Relatively noncompetitive" does not mean "guaranteed match." Every program has standards.

I suppose so but from the 2007 NRMP data:

2603 positions were offered and 2299 matched for a match rate of 88.3% leaving 122 unfilled positions. Not exactly ultra-competetive.
 
2603 positions were offered and 2299 matched for a match rate of 88.3% leaving 122 unfilled positions.

...before the scramble. Nearly all of those were ultimately filled, and there are still people who didn't get a spot.
 
Dude,
Sorry you didn't match and all, but how the hell could you not secure a spot in an FM residency?!? It is hands down one of the easiest residencies to match into.:confused:

I really dont know... all 5 programs I interviewed at were filled. It's pretty devastating. I thought for sure I got something.

The scramble.... well that's a nightmare. All the programs go after the radio-onc/orthopedics rejects.
 
Dude,
Sorry you didn't match and all, but how the hell could you not secure a spot in an FM residency?!? It is hands down one of the easiest residencies to match into.:confused:

There is no reason to be rude. Imagine how something like that sounds to someone who didn't match. This is a really difficult time for those people and I'm sure they (and the advisors and mods) would appreciate some tact and thoughtfulness in future posts on the matter. Thanks.
 
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There is no reason to be rude. Imagine how something like that sounds to someone who didn't match. This is a really difficult time for those people and I'm sure they (and the advisors and mods) would appreciate some tact and thoughtfulness in future posts on the matter. Thanks.

Not being rude. Just wondering how someone with a pulse didn't match into family medicine.
 
Not being rude. Just wondering how someone with a pulse didn't match into family medicine.

2005 was a less competitive year than 2007 (more positions and less applicants). Lets look at it's statistics of attempting to match in FM on page 26.

Shall we look at the DO/US-graduates/IMGs/FMGs or shall we look at the US seniors only?

US seniors only? I see one ranked 9 and didnt match, 1 ranked 7 and didnt match and 1 ranked 6 and didnt match... hmm..

The mix? Well you can see 15 people who ranked 10 places and still didnt match. I call that scary. All that money on interviews and applications... not to mention med school and what not.

Things are just getting worse every year. More applicants in all specialties but almost the same number of PGY1 positions. It's becoming a strategy to hold out on ranking people to pick up the ortho/derm/radio rejects. E.G. the infamous methodist in NY with 17 unfilled IM positions post match.
 
Hey there, I'm a pre-med going to KCUMB next year, and I want to do FP. I was just following the thread, and I had a few questions for the person who didn't match.

What school did you go to? What was your class rank? What was your gpa? what were your board scores, and what extracurricular things did you have on your app.?

I'm just trying to get a feel for what it would take to secure/not secure a spot.

Thanks,
jamie
 
Hey there, I'm a pre-med going to KCUMB next year, and I want to do FP. I was just following the thread, and I had a few questions for the person who didn't match.

What school did you go to? What was your class rank? What was your gpa? what were your board scores, and what extracurricular things did you have on your app.?

I'm just trying to get a feel for what it would take to secure/not secure a spot.

Thanks,
jamie

I know you wanted to hear from those who didn't match, but it's easier to tell you how to match than how to avoid not matching.

If you graduate from a US medical school, pass the boards on your first try, pass all of your classes on the first try, have good clinical grades and evals, apply and interview well at 10-15 programs, you have a very good shot at matching FM. You may not get your #1 if you only meet those minimum standards, but you will likely match.

Obviously, the higher your grades and board scores, the more secure you will feel about matching your #1, but they are not a guarantee on their own.

Extra-curriculars are something that people worry too much about, in my opinion. It's nice to have a few things, but really, don't let it be a big focus for you. Unless you really love it, stay away from things like student government, which will sap your time and energy and don't have that much more of a return in value for you on your applications than something that will take less time, like volunteer work or even a summer internship after your first year.
 
I would love to do some sort of early decision or integrated match in the KC area, do you think that would be possible if I was an average student in all those ways?
 
Hey there, I'm a pre-med going to KCUMB next year, and I want to do FP. I was just following the thread, and I had a few questions for the person who didn't match.

What school did you go to? What was your class rank? What was your gpa? what were your board scores, and what extracurricular things did you have on your app.?

I'm just trying to get a feel for what it would take to secure/not secure a spot.

Thanks,
jamie


dont expect to stay in kansas city if you goto kcumb. about half or more of the class goes elsewhere for clinicals.
 
Good advice above. Take step 3 and do well, do research, spend time with a local doctor or program and get a good reference. But I would also look at backups. I am someone who was born and grew up in the US, had a good undergraduate education and made the mistake of going to an offshore school. I studied the wrong things and did not do well in the USMLE.

So what did I do after not matching? I studied for, took and passed step 3 of the USMLE (first attempt but low score) and spent time with local doctors who gave me very good references. The result: I am unmatched without a position this year despite all my efforts and losing another year. My loan debt is higher now too.

I am looking for alternative jobs but am having trouble finding something that pays enough to meet my loan obligations. This does not look good. :(
 
Good advice above. Take step 3 and do well, do research, spend time with a local doctor or program and get a good reference. But I would also look at backups. I am someone who was born and grew up in the US, had a good undergraduate education and made the mistake of going to an offshore school. I studied the wrong things and did not do well in the USMLE.

So what did I do after not matching? I studied for, took and passed step 3 of the USMLE (first attempt but low score) and spent time with local doctors who gave me very good references. The result: I am unmatched without a position this year despite all my efforts and losing another year. My loan debt is higher now too.

I am looking for alternative jobs but am having trouble finding something that pays enough to meet my loan obligations. This does not look good. :(

It's depressing to see someone else in my situation. It's messed up that you take loans from US bank/federal government and yet they give J1/H1b visas for someone else to take the positions. Seems to be especially true in family medicine and internal medicine.
 
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What is your point here? You are an anesthesiologist or resident, no? Perhaps you are a high school student, who knows. The point is, you are posting on the Family Medicine forum, and posting information that is hardly big news here.

Here you go: Family Medicine is Not Competitive. Do you feel better now?

The thing is, you are talking to some real flesh-and-blood people who did not match in family medicine. True, almost none of them are US seniors, but these boards are open to all. Telling them that FM is not competitive does nothing but deflate them and inflate you, apparently.

The other thing is, nobody here cares that family medicine is "not competitive". It's what we want to do....as hard as that may be for others to understand. We choose this speciality because we like it. Call us crazy, call us losers, fine. But don't troll around on our forum trying to make big news by posting official information that family medicine is not competitive.

And try to have a shred of compassion for those who really wanted to match into FM and did not, or take your comments elsewhere.
 
Faebinder, i was really shocked to see you did not match. :( . One thing I did notice was that you applied to programs in NY, NJ, :scared: where TONS of FMG had also applied, these states were called FMG friendly. So, basically you were competing with people whose scores were 230+ and were willing to slave away with no complaints what so ever for the next 3 years, and some of them had already finished residency in their own country, some of them were even attendings :eek: . You might have better chances in those states that are less FMG friendly. :cool:

Good luck, I hope you find a position soon.
 
Faebinder, i was really shocked to see you did not match. :( . One thing I did notice was that you applied to programs in NY, NJ, :scared: where TONS of FMG had also applied, these states were called FMG friendly. So, basically you were competing with people whose scores were 230+ and were willing to slave away with no complaints what so ever for the next 3 years, and some of them had already finished residency in their own country, some of them were even attendings :eek: . You might have better chances in those states that are less FMG friendly. :cool:

Good luck, I hope you find a position soon.

Thanks for the support.. believe it or not I did apply broadly although I will admit I did a lot of NJ/NY. Next match will be my last grasp for air. You are right, I am competing with a few thousand J1 visa seekers with 230+ scores. I should show you some of the replies I got back from the programs.
 
Thanks for the support.. believe it or not I did apply broadly although I will admit I did a lot of NJ/NY. Next match will be my last grasp for air. You are right, I am competing with a few thousand J1 visa seekers with 230+ scores. I should show you some of the replies I got back from the programs.


ever consider Uncle Sam?
 
Here are a few of my favorites and all 3 were not NJ/NY/PA places.

Thank you for your interest in the XXXX. So far this year, we have received over 500 applications. Our program is searching for applicants that have demonstrated deep commitment to family medicine and true dedication to working with the underserved. In a normal interview season, we will generally offer only about 65 invitations to interview. Therefore, many applicants, although technically qualified, will not be offered an interview. We regret to inform you that we are unable to offer you an interview this year. We do, however, wish you every success in your search for a residency program and in your career as a family physician.

Sincerely,

XXXXX


So I guess I am not committed enough but the J-1 applicants are?


We have reviewed your ERAS application and regret to inform you that we will not be able to offer you an interview.

Our program generally receives over 100 applications per position. Obviously, we cannot interview each applicant. It is our goal to really get to know the candidates, and we have determined that interviewing only 5 to 6 candidates for each position allows us to do that. When selecting candidates for an interview, the committee considers multiple factors including standardized test scores, prior training, amount and types of prior clinical experience, career goals, letters of reference and other qualitative measures.

We do appreciate your interest in our program. Best wishes as you go forward with your search.


100 per position.. wow.

We would like to thank you for your interest in the XXXX's Family Medicine Program. As there are over 450 applications this year, we have selected those that most closely match all of our criteria. I wish I could reward your patience and commitment with some good news but unfortunately, we will not be extending an offer to interview with our program. Best wishes for your continued medical education.

XXXX


Well they were polite.

That's a lot of people to compete with. Okay so it's not the 3000 applicants that I heard Jersey Shore Hospital gets but it's pretty bad since these places got a lot less positions than that hospital.
 
But don't troll around on our forum trying to make big news by posting official information that family medicine is not competitive.

And try to have a shred of compassion for those who really wanted to match into FM and did not, or take your comments elsewhere.

More to the point, trolling is a violation of SDN's Terms of Service.
 
I'm pretty sure the OP was applying for a surgical specialty this year, at least that's what his/her previous posts alluded to.
 
seems like FM just got more competitive this year...
i suppose it will continue to be so the next 10 years?
 
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