Did anyone become a doctor because of their parents?

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I've come to a point where I try not to be super identifiable, but I mostly just avoid posts that I would actively not want an employer or friend to see. If someone figured out who I was they'd probably be like "why do you have 500 SDN posts from your first year of college alone??" but if they could identify me from posts then they probably waste a similar amount of time on SDN.

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In my experience, there is a weird cycle of pressure among Indian families. Engineers will tell their children to become doctors. Then those doctors will tell their children to go into engineering/comp sci. The cycle continues to repeat indefinitely. It's the expectation of the grass being greener on the other side.
 
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Got something to hide, efle? XD
@cactusman Everyone wastes time somewhere, isn't it better that it be on SDN and not FB? I think it looks good XD
Only if you have a 2:1 like-to-comments ratio. Otherwise you just seem desperate.

Yep, I'm pretty desperate for validation.
 
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Only if you have a 2:1 like-to-comments ratio. Otherwise you just seem desperate.

Yep, I'm pretty desperate for validation.
I'm trying not to take this personally.
 
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Only if you have a 2:1 like-to-comments ratio. Otherwise you just seem desperate.

Yep, I'm pretty desperate for validation.
Please use the term LSCV score (@Lawper @sullen-burger cactusman @VIZ1, mostly independent in discovery of the value's uses). Both the first and second derivative of LSCV with respect to number of posts are also useful information.
 
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OP, why didn't you just act like an idiot in your interviews? (Similar to Kumar did in Harold & Kumar Goes to WhiteCastle :cool:)

If you didn't get into a school, you wouldn't have to worry about being a doctor and your parents can't really force you then!

Anyways, in the word of Russel Peters, "Be a Man" :laugh:

I thought about going that route but my parents told me that if I didn’t get into a medical school here then I would end up in the Caribbean and I assume those places never reject anyone so I might as well be here.
 
Not related, but I think it is hillarious when people make anonymous accounts for an anonymous forum

I’ve never really been on SDN before so I assumed it was like reddit where people make throwaway accounts all the time.
 
ThrowawayAccount, you are not a wimp or a fool, you just don't want to disappoint your parents who (however misguided) do want you to be happy and successful. My suggestion is to try to get a deferment for one year from your med school and work somewhere where you can get some exposure. Work in a hospital or in retail or in a lab. A year to live with the decision while getting exposure to other fields could help. Or join AmeriCorps. If you haven't lived on your own, live on your own or with other relatives besides your parents. The answer may become clear to you over that time.

Your life is long and you don't want to be unhappy.

I said I was a fool because when I was young I used to naively believe (within reason) that I could be whatever I wanted and I was never particularly cognizant of my parents’ intentions. Consequently, I feel as I have wasted a lot of time working hard for nothing. If I could go 10 years back in time, instead of focusing on my studies I think would just play more video games or learn to write poetry or something lol

I said I was a wimp because when I was 18, I had a friend who was similarly being pressured to do a career he didn’t want and he instead opted to join the army. I should have just done what he did but I wimped out.
 
I thought about going that route but my parents told me that if I didn’t get into a medical school here then I would end up in the Caribbean and I assume those places never reject anyone so I might as well be here.
Do they seriously consider Caribbean medical school more prestigious than a BCPM career
 
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All the time; people "choose" to become doctors because of their parents all the time. It could be the guilt of letting them down, or not wanting to seem ungrateful for all they've done, or just no energy to rebel but there are plenty of reasons.

I'm Indian too. I absolutely relate with the fact that it's not easy to just say "my life my rules" to the parents. Kind of similar to you, I feel, the path to medicine for me may have started as their dream, but it eventually became mine too. It also helped that there wasn't really any alternative field/career that I felt too "passionate" about. At the end of the day, you have to get a job in some field or another.

I think you need to ask yourself, what about medicine do you really hate?
The only thing that bugged me was the insane 80 hour work weeks (everything else seemed amazing to me), and if that's a concern for you too, you can always become a psychiatrist/FM doctor (you don't really need to make half a million $$ to be happy; ~200-250k$ is more than enough). That's 40-50 hour weeks, and you will still have enough time left over to pursue your hobbies. If the issue is you hate dealing with ill people, or patients in general - you can pursue pathology, medical genetics, radiology, etc. And if pathology is too boring and you're not about lab work, then dermatology is an amazing option - high pay and very reasonable hours, similar to all other job fields.

Hell, if their only concern is that you have an MD behind your name that they can brag about at social events, get that MD and then use it in the business/law field. You can become a consultant - work for Accenture, Deloitte, McKinsey, etc. + they recruit right of medical school, so you don't even need to do a residency (again if you hate the insane hours required).

If you wanna travel, same thing - get into consulting - there's a lot of travel involved (and $$).

If you like teaching and research (you mentioned option for PhD) - you can become a professor and teach courses in human biology/medicine at a university.

There's honestly so many options in medicine that you can go into. You don't have to be the typical internist at a hospital on call, working late night shifts, all that Scrubs stuff. Your MD will be what you make of it. And honestly, most people don't pursue medicine for altruistic reasons. So it's okay, if you don't care much for "helping" people either. Do consulting! Do derma, do radiology, do teaching, do research, do medical journalism.

I don't think your parents are being mean; it's just they want the best for you and your future, and this is the best that they know.


But at the end of the day, if none of this works for you, then yeah, during your first year, just call everyday and pretend how hard it is, how mentally drained you are, how it's depressing, and they'll let you off the hook.


Yeah I read somewhere that pathologists never see patients and some only do research which I guess is better than being a doctor in my opinion. But wouldn’t it just be better to do just dropout and go do a phd instead if I prefer research? I guess the thing that bothers me is the obsessive level of control my parents try to have of my life. The week before I went to college my dad sat me down and told me not to join any clubs unless they could be used for the medical school applications and to avoid white women because apparently they are never up to any good. I don’t really understand his mentality or honestly, why he even came to this country.

Also, I have a Pakistani friend and he and his older brother were both forced into medicine as well. My friend is fine with it because he likes medicine but his brother didn’t and is now a newly practicing physician. His brother is one of the bitterest people I have ever met (never smiles, is very pessimistic about life, etc), even for a Pakistani. My friend thinks this is what being forced into medicine did to him. I don’t blame him either for his personality but I really hope I don’t end up like him.
 
But they still don't know who you are, as in, what's your name/where you live/ what you look like, so it's still a bit silly from my perspective. People are more than just their stats/EC's. But to each their own. I remember people's stats as well :shrug:
Meh. Anyone could have matched my AMCAS to my account on here without too much effort and I didn't share as much as a lot of people do
 
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Do they seriously consider Caribbean medical school more prestigious than a BCPM career

Yep. My dad says most people can do science or engineering but not everyone can be a medical doctor. In fact, according to him most people specifically go into those careers because they were unable to become a medical doctor lol
 
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Yeah I read somewhere that pathologists never see patients and some only do research which I guess is better than being a doctor in my opinion. But wouldn’t it just be better to do just dropout and go do a phd instead if I prefer research? I guess the thing that bothers me is the obsessive level of control my parents try to have of my life. The week before I went to college my dad sat me down and told me not to join any clubs unless they could be used for the medical school applications and to avoid white women because apparently they are never up to any good. I don’t really understand his mentality or honestly, why he even came to this country.

Also, I have a Pakistani friend and he and his older brother were both forced into medicine as well. My friend is fine with it because he likes medicine but his brother didn’t and is now a newly practicing physician. His brother is one of the bitterest people I have ever met (never smiles, is very pessimistic about life, etc), even for a Pakistani. My friend thinks this is what being forced into medicine did to him. I don’t blame him either for his personality but I really hope I don’t end up like him.
Okay Im Pakistani and I just can't resist asking.
How are Pakistani people more bitter than anybody else? I'm not even offended I'm just curious.
I've honestly never met a southwest Asian whose parents didn't let them follow their own goals and force them into a career. ( including my own). So long as they're studying something lucrative ( Medicine, dentistry, law, engineering) their parents let them. I've literally only read about it on the internet. Im sorry this is happening to you, OP.
I totally understand the Muslim/west Asian thing of how incredibly hard it is to say "my life, my rules", but couldn't you convince your parents to let you get an MD/PhD? The prestige is there, and then you can do clinical research. Are they against Pharmacy school? That might also be good for you.
@Lawper It is very, very difficult to convince Desi/Muslim parents that your life is your life.
 
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My $0.02 is for OP to follow @Goro advice, learn to become an independent adult, and stop depending on parents for everything. Clearly OP's parents are thirsty for prestige and status, but they are tragically uninformed about the process. OP should avoid the headaches by becoming self-sufficient and doing whatever he wants to pursue his own career ambitions.
 
Okay Im Pakistani and I just can't resist asking.
How are Pakistani people more bitter than anybody else? I'm not even offended I'm just curious.
I've honestly never met a southwest Asian whose parents didn't let them follow their own goals and force them into a career. ( including my own). So long as they're studying something lucrative ( Medicine, dentistry, law, engineering) their parents let them. I've literally only read about it on the internet. Im sorry this is happening to you, OP.
I totally understand the Muslim/west Asian thing of how incredibly hard it is to say "my life, my rules", but couldn't you convince your parents to let you get an MD/PhD? The prestige is there, and then you can do clinical research. Are they against Pharmacy school? That might also be good for you.

Oh I was just joking around. Honestly, I don't see any difference between Indians and Pakistanis and consider them the same culture. I apologize if anyone was offended.

As for the MD/PhD thing, I still don't see the point of doing an MD just for the heck of it and although I would prefer clinical research rather than working as a clinician, I feel as if there a lot exciting types of researches I could be doing (in physics or engineering).
 
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@Lawper It is very, very difficult to convince Desi/Muslim parents that your life is your life.

Maybe not. If OP says to his parents he wants to pursue whatever he wants, what will they do? Kick him out of the house? Stop financing him? This is the key time for OP to support himself with a job and learn to be independent. And it's not like OP is dishonoring his family by doing something unethical. He just thinks medicine is not for him and is happy with another career. Nothing wrong with that.
 
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Yeah I read somewhere that pathologists never see patients and some only do research which I guess is better than being a doctor in my opinion. But wouldn’t it just be better to do just dropout and go do a phd instead if I prefer research? I guess the thing that bothers me is the obsessive level of control my parents try to have of my life. The week before I went to college my dad sat me down and told me not to join any clubs unless they could be used for the medical school applications and to avoid white women because apparently they are never up to any good. I don’t really understand his mentality or honestly, why he even came to this country.

Also, I have a Pakistani friend and he and his older brother were both forced into medicine as well. My friend is fine with it because he likes medicine but his brother didn’t and is now a newly practicing physician. His brother is one of the bitterest people I have ever met (never smiles, is very pessimistic about life, etc), even for a Pakistani. My friend thinks this is what being forced into medicine did to him. I don’t blame him either for his personality but I really hope I don’t end up like him.

First off, LOL @ "even for a Pakistani".
But yeah, okay I can see your frustration. They want to control who you fall in love with, who you marry, where you work, what field you work in, it gets pretty frustrating.
But consider this: when you become a doctor, whatever your paycheck: will it be yours or theirs? It'll be all yours. They do want all of the perks for you, not for themselves (okay most of the perks, they do wanna keep the bragging rights lol).

So that Pakistani guy is miserable in his career, that sucks. But here's the difference: at least you like the research aspect of medicine. And there are a plethora of options for research in med! Like soooo many options. Maybe, that Pakistani guy did not have any interest in medicine OR research/academia. Maybe he's just ignorant about other options in med like consulting or expert witnesses in law (which sounds pretty interesting ngl). Also, idk if this is the case, but most Americans, looks like, become specialists/surgeons/internists; maybe so did he and now he has to put in insane number of hours at work; but if you choose psych or FM, you won't. Just because he is miserable, doesn't mean so will you. You can use your MD much differently than him.

I mean it's your call; there's always the dropout option, that option isn't going anywhere, but before you use that wildcard, explore options for research in medicine a little more (ie. how long it takes, what kind of resume it takes, etc). Also, it's a job and we live in a capitalist society, so I don't see why it should be wrong to think about the good pay as an incentive to stay in the field. It's easy to say "money doesn't matter to me" when parents are paying for everything and you're getting everything you ask for at every instance in life, but once that cushioning stops, then what? (I'm obviously making some assumptions here, for example, your parents paid for your undergrad, housing rent, etc)

You could always stop working in medicine at 40, and use your savings to change careers (considering you're relatively young (~22) right now).
 
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OP, ask yourself a few questions:

What do you want to do for a career?

How much money do you want to make each year?

How many hours do you want to work a week?

Do you want flexibility in your schedule?

Medicine is a job. Nothing more. Very few jobs will give the money/hr and have the flexibility that medicine allows. There are also plenty of jobs in medicine that have little to no patient contact.

Even if I hated my job (which I don't thankfully) I would still do it because it gives me a lot of money and flexibility to enjoy my time off. Basically, if not medicine, what do you want to do and will doing that provide the lifestyle you want? If the answer is yes, go for it!
 
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Maybe not. If OP says to his parents he wants to pursue whatever he wants, what will they do? Kick him out of the house? Stop financing him? This is the key time for OP to support himself with a job and learn to be independent. And it's not like OP is dishonoring his family by doing something unethical. He just thinks medicine is not for him and is happy with another career. Nothing wrong with that.
Regardless of the parental independence aspect of this discussion, counseling OP, who has gained admission to a medical school, to give up on his/her spot is potentially a very poor suggestion. I have days when I feel like I'm not cut out for this too, as I'm sure you and many others have as well. I wouldn't classify myself as being overly interested in biology for the sake of biology either. Do I like taking tons of tests and dealing with the BS that comes with pre-med/med school/residency? Nah. But a job's a job, and medicine's a pretty sweet one. There had better be some insurmountable obstacle to OP practicing for withdrawing to be the correct decision at this stage.
 
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Regardless of the parental independence aspect of this discussion, counseling OP, who has gained admission to a medical school, to give up on his/her spot is potentially a very poor suggestion. I have days when I feel like I'm not cut out for this too, as I'm sure you and many others have as well. I wouldn't classify myself as being overly interested in biology for the sake of biology either. Do I like taking tons of tests and dealing with the BS that comes with pre-med/med school/residency? Nah. But a job's a job, and medicine's a pretty sweet one. There had better be some insurmountable obstacle to OP practicing for withdrawing to be the correct decision at this stage.

Oh I missed the part where OP got accepted into medical school since I got distracted by several of OP's posts regarding parenting styles and traditions. Yeah that changes things and I'd definitely tell OP to stick with medicine and move with it. It's a versatile career.
 
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You're an adult. If you have any reservations, forfeit the game before it starts. Since you admittedly have next to no interest in helping people, I suggest that you find something else to do with your time. It's not about surviving the system or avoiding burnout, it's about doing what makes you happy...and medicine obviously isn't it.

There are other ways to make money. And status? Please. I just saw a third year come in with a black eye after getting socked by a psych patient. Status is dead. The only professions that have any status are the following: 1. Military, 2. Actors, 3. Musicians, and 4. Professional athletes...all but 1 make a heck of a lot more than doctors (Patrice Bergeron, a person who plays for the Bruins, makes $250k biweekly...that's status). People in our society no longer look up to doctors, my friend. They look up to people they see on TV.

Quite an accurate post, I tell this to others regularly. I'd even argue that celebs/pro athletes don't have the same status they used to have (though still very high obviously). A lot of it is due to social media and over exposure to everything.
As someone who's an investor and has a small side business too, I'd argue that medicine is indeed a good path for money. Though I'm saying that in terms of analyzing only one variable. Dentistry has also been a solid path for money but you couldn't ever pay me enough to do it.

Doctors certainly have lost a lot of status. It does have higher status than other jobs you get via schooling but nowhere near what it used to have.
I still laugh every time premeds ask me (or try to claim) about women flocking to you as a doctor (or a med student lol).
 
Lol. Hey, OP: back in my day trolling meant something.

Get out of here with your tomfoolery.
 
OP when I made my other post I'd somehow missed your followup posts where you state that you'd like a STEM type research job. If you can stomach the four years of med school, you might find that it leads to the perfect job for you - whether it's research, pathology, consulting. There are lots of different avenues.

If you just can't commit, I'd see if you can defer a year instead of flunking out. Or do a year and then take a leave of absence.

As for the MD/PhD thing, I still don't see the point of doing an MD just for the heck of it and although I would prefer clinical research rather than working as a clinician, I feel as if there a lot exciting types of researches I could be doing (in physics or engineering).
 
From one Indian to another, abandon the patriarchy. Get some distance. Go live on a friend's couch and get a job doing something you're passionate about, maybe somewhere across the country or on the other side of the world. Take full advantage of that sweet American freedom you were handed when your parents immigrated here. Live, laugh, love and find yourself. Your parents will be supremely pissed for a while, but will likely forgive you. In time, you may also stop resenting them so much and maybe even be able to build a more positive relationship with them. I know its hard to see the bigger picture right now, but I would advise against planning out the rest of your life based solely on your parent's desires. to be blunt, they will die one day but you'll still be here living your life. So live it for yourself.
 
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That's actually very unreasonable.

If you do 4 years of med school (though many people entering competitive specialties do a research year) and have 7 years of residency (required for many high paying specialties) you become an attending at age 31. You likely have $200k+ debt. 4 years of 400k (before taxes) is not enough to feed yourself, pay back 200k, and save enough to live comfortably for potentially 60+ years (with those later years likely in a costly nursing home).

Maybe you even want to pay for your children's education. But that's not likely either without a whole lot more savings.

Who says anything about 7 years of residency? Go into EM work shifts + locums
 
First off... as somebody very close to the indian community and who has a lot of friends in the community... Most indian parents suck. (I see it with my girlfriends all the time... become a doc, finish schooling, and get married and have kids by 26... dafuq???)

They were bossed around by their parents and were never allowed to think for themselves.

Thus, what you see is a bunch of aunties and uncles who act like entitled pricks and focus on status and bull**** that doesn't mean anything when you die.

I commend you for being empathetic and getting to know your own self and your own desires... and thinking about taking away somebody else's shot at doing something they ACTUALLY want to do.

It's simple my friend...

DO NOT go into something that YOU do NOT want to do.

At the end of the day, you WILL have peoples' lives in your hands. YOU will make decisions every day that can directly affect somebody and THEIR FAMILY.

Imagine if you had the same type of doc you may end up becoming treating YOUR mom or dad?

Scary huh?

Your parents will get over the idea of not having one of their kids not become a doc... It's not the end of the world.

If anything... they can probably get a little help with therapy to address their own insecurity and egotistical views.

OR....

You can go to the Caribbean like many indians do... get that MD title and even get hitched on the island to another indian chick or dude who was probably pressured into doing it like you were.

Kill two birds with one stone.

LOL
 
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Who says anything about 7 years of residency? Go into EM work shifts + locums
Not much better, I initially made a stupid math error- 7 years after graduating at 26 would be 33. EM would put you at 29-30, meaning you still have only 5-6 years to make enough money to pay for yourself to live off of for 5+ decades, likely including expensive care in a nursing facility, and helping to support a spouse and/or children (and even for an upper middle class family their colleges will likely be expensive, so marrying another professional isn't an easy solution).
 
My parents told me they'll pay for everything including medical school, living and expenses etc. How much will this help me down the road financially speaking?
Well if your parents pay $X dollars, than financially speaking it will help you $X + interest. My Calculus teacher told me to consider a mathematics major.
 
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My parents told me they'll pay for everything including medical school, living and expenses etc. How much will this help me down the road financially speaking?

It will help tremendously but it doesn't matter when you're doing something you don't want to do.

Ur going to HATE med school. I can tell you that right now.
 
Dude it's just icing on the cake haha. I would take out loans if needed, I love this ****. Plus both parents are surgeons so I know what it takes

That's the ****ing spirit! Turn up lil homie!
 
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