"Note: There is no need for an apostrophe in "docs" and their is a pronoun, whereas there is not.
1. That is one pre-optometry student's accounting of an alleged verbal transaction between her and an eye care physician. Based on her account, the doctor was questioning why she wanted to go into optometry, offered reasons why she shouldn't (limited scope of practice, etc.), and encouraged medical school. So? I would hardly say he was bashing the entire profession of optometry. He is entitled to his opinion, isn't he? Let me ask you this, Mr. Gochi, if that student was pre-pharm, and made disparaging comments about pill-counters, would your panties be wound up? What if the student said "I wanna be a lawyer when I grow up!" and the doctor went on and on about bottom-feeding, blood-sucking parasite lawyers who are worthless because he's been sued before. Would this rub your rhubarb the wrong way? The fact is, there are some people out there who have strong opinions about given professions. I remember when I was doing my psychiatry residency, I would hear comments from preceptors, professors, fellow med students, and others that I was not going to be a real doctor, blah , blah, blah. Later, when I was in law school, my God, the comments and jokes people would say. Funny, everyone hates lawyers until they need one!
I've seen your posts in the pharmacy section and they were unkind to the pharmacists. You went on last year bitching about how a PharmD was overkill, pharmacists were overpaid, and all they did was count pills and they forgot their clinical knowledge. Couldn't some of those same points be applied to optometry? Not in your empty head."
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This is the conversation from the previously posted link.
"Hey guys, so I went to the Opthamologist today because I had an appointment for my case of dry eyes (my optometrist was a good for nothing that kept offering some lame drops that never work) and so as he dilated my eyes, he asked me what I was doing with my life. I told him I was interested in Optometry..and he just cuts me off and says "WHY!?? Why would you do that to yourself? Cmon you don't want that. All you're really going to be doing is prescribing and selling glasses. This is where you want to be. All that debt youre going to be in and just to be limited to that???" lol he made a scene and sounded really pissed. He wants me to goto medical school and be an opthamologist if anything lol But I dont want to do medicine."
You can tell by the doc's tone that he was indeed looking down upon the profession of Optometry. She even mentions that the doc created a scene. I guess this can be interpreted differently.
I was bitching ? That's hilarious coming from you sir.
Pharmacists are overpaid, and effectively, there job entails counting pills. This is my "strong opinion" about the profession of Pharmacy.
Those points, about pharmacy, might apply to Optometry, more or less. But, allowing OD's to incorporate surgery would eliminate some of those points.
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2. I don't care what any optometry student at NOVA calls himself. This is hardly evidence of the existence of a health professional called an optometric physician. In Michigan, if any OD called himself that, he'd find himself in trouble for misrepresenting himself as a physician. Most states prohibit such nomenclature from being used by non MD/DO/DPMs. Other states are more liberal (e.g., Oregon and Washington). I don't care how you spin it, a chiropractor is not a chiropractic physician, a psychologist is not a psychological physician, a pharmacist is not a pharmaceutical physician, a lawyer is not a legal physician, a dentist is not a dental physician, an NP is not a Nurse Practitioner Physician, a PA is not a Physician Assistant Physician, an audiologist is not an audiometric physician, a vet is not a veterinary physician, and an optometrist is not an optometric physician. What do you call someone who holds an OD degree and is licensed to practice optometry in a state? You call him/her OPTOMETRIST. Is this concept hard for you to understand?
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I've already made clear that an optometrist is an optometric physician. No matter how educated you are, you cannot argue that fact. Again, stop asking answered questions, like qwopty99. It's getting quite ridiculous now.
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3. If I'm an idiot, why is it I can understand the difference between their and there? I can see with your razor sharp logic and highly refined critical reasoning skills how such a detail might not matter, but before you go around making
ad hominem attacks regarding your opponent's intellect, you might wish to spell correctly and use proper punctuation.
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The comment about my spelling was quite hilarious.
I see you think like qwopty99. Not that it
relly maters, but I think you should read the evident statements I have made about him, as they will apply to you. I hate to say this, but I really thought doc's were more intelligent.
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4. Calling all physicians egotistical is simply ridiculous and quite absurd. Wouldn't that be like me saying all optos are med school rejects who play with dials all day? Don't make sweeping generalization about a group of people without backing it up. Not all physicians are arrogant. Believe it or not, some actually want to help patients and care about their fellow human beings.
I'm not sure where you're from, but either English is not your native tongue, or you have significant OBS most likely due to a previous TBI or possibly an anoxic event. At any rate, apparently reading comprehension was not your bag in elementary school, so let me parse this in very simple terms so even you, with your incomplete community college education can understand:
In several posts, you state optometric physician and optometric surgeon are terms that are appropriate. The evidence to support this is what some students have embroidered on their scrubs at some school in Florida. I never said you hated calling yourself optometrist, because you're not an optometrist, but I did say "what's wrong with the moniker of optometrist?" Why must everyone emulate physicians? Why do other health care professionals need to be like MDs? My point was, be happy as an optometrist, be unique, and celebrate your uniqueness and specialized skill sets -- don't go around posing as something you're not. I think most optometrists are above the "chiropractic complex" I'm referring to, but there are some, mostly students, like you and Oculomotor, who feel otherwise. Note how no practicing ODs are in agreement with you two, who don't even possess undergraduate degrees yet.
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You can stop pretending now. It's human nature to look out for yourself no matter how hard you are trained to look out for others. I could back it up, and I can relate a personal experience that I had with an MD, but believe me, it will not change my original fact. It will just make you feel more like dense s**t.
You really think you know everything, dont you. Stop making these ridiculous assumptions about me and about what I think. That's all I really have to say.
You seriously think we want to emulate physcians ? I mean thats just ridiculous. I look down at physcians, like you, for the very reason they think everyone looks up to them. You guys are the ones with the "god-like" complexes.
You say, "note how no practicing ODs are in agreement with you two, who don't even possess undergraduate degrees yet." I say that's fine, this let's me know I'm right.
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I don't know how old you are, what community college you're attempting to graduate from, or what your real purpose here is, but I would suggest you consult a physician about your condition. He/she might be able to extricate your empty cranium from your anus.
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Nice. So this is what you were thought during MD school ?
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Wow, such hostility toward opticians. Why is it pathetic that an optician wears a white coat, when it's perfectly acceptable for an optometrist to wear one? Do either of you encounter body fluids? I worked for several years in an inpatient psychiatric unit as an attending. When I did rounds, I sometimes wore a white coat, but rarely. I have been bitten, scratched, punched, and had my testicles twisted so hard I almost passed out, during the course of treating and interviewing patients. The mentally ill can be quite agitated at times, as you well know, but I never wore a white coat. For the life of me, I can't see why either an optician or an optometrist would choose to do so for any purpose other than to feel like a "doctor". I'm not trying to be mean, but honestly, why would any OD need one? Just wear nice and comfortable clothes. I can see why dentists wear them or scrubs, or if you're working in a hospital that requires it (like the VA), but in your own shop? You just make yourself look like a tool.
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I'm just shaking my head at you have written here...give me a moment.
An Optician goes to school for two years, whereas an OD goes to school for 7-9. If a white coat makes the optometric physcian or optometrist look professional in the eyes of customers etc. then why not wear the white coat ? I don't have a problem with Opticians wearing a white coat, I just think its pathetic. It's my opinion.
Really, get over yourself misinformed MD.
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Actually, lab coats started with scientists who used them to protect their clothes and bodies from chemicals and other irritants while conducting experiments. Physicians started to wear them due to direct contact with patients. Blood, saliva, etc., are things to avoid and the white coats would protect clothing. It also became a quasi-uniform for medicine as it was white and clean-looking. I have no problem with any health care worker wearing a lab coat or smock when it's necessary. Nurses, pods, pharmacists, dentists, vets all work with compounds, drugs, elixirs, body fluids, and other nasty stuff and need them for protection. Chiros, PTs, ODs, audiologists, and SLPs do not do anything invasive, do not touch body fluids, and in general, have no reason for a white coat or scrubs.
Note: Try using a semicolon; it is a nice way to separate two unrelated clauses.
Yeah, it also makes you look like a tool. Maybe you think it'll get you laid or something? Do you think it impresses the chics? LOL. Who knows, wear your white coat and maybe some hottie will ask you out thinking you'll give her a discount on prime rib (because she thinks you work at the deli at a grocery store).
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Huh?
That's hilarious. Is that why you attended MD school ?
Then you realized, you were to ugly etc., so you went into law for some reason. But now you realize that everyone hates lawyers. And now you are stuck as an ugly MD and a hated lawyer. Damn, what a waste of money and life really.
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Yeah, I'm just like a kid. I'm not the 20-something working hard to raise his GPA in community college so I can grow up to be an optometric surgeon one day in my own gated community of a mind. How would you know what opticians want? You're not even an optician. You're a student. You have no place to comment on any of this. You're making sweeping generalizations and incorrect inferences about a profession that you know nothing about. If you actually knew what an optometrist did, you would not be here advocating for such drastic reform. If you actually knew what an OD degree prepared you for, you wouldn't be wanting to perform complex ocular surgeries.
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Meh...I don't have to work hard to get a respectable gpa. I just have to attend classes, which I'm doing right now.
It's logic. Opticians are opticians because they don't want to go through additional schooling and/or debt. Plus it takes time and sacrifices and a whole lot of other things, which they aren't ready to give up.
And exactly who are you to comment on the issue of opticians and optometrists. You're neither.
You got problems doc. I never stated that I wanted OD's to be able to "perform complex ocular surgeries." I said minor surgeries.
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Just like a kid, however, you think you know it all and continue to pepper this forum with your pukey pablum insisting you are making rational, educated points. Gochi = FAIL. Not just any fail, but massive FAIL. You are not only misinformed, but obviously intellectually challenged enough to continue spewing your self-serving nonsense and insulting others on here. Stop now and go back to playing Pokemon. When you actually complete a professional degree and obtain a license to practice, then come back and discuss your views with the grown ups rationally and logically.
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Sure I fail, but I always get up. But I mean your the glorified MD, you never fail. Give me a break. And I don't know what you're talking about when your telling me that I have failed. I'm not the one who attended MD school then Law school.
Grown-ups? Again, this is hilarious. Like I said, I don't have to be significantly educated to be correct. You think you're right just because you have earned a degree ? See, you're the one with the complex. Besides, why did you go into Psychiatry ? Were you too stupid to get into other specialties ?
Maybe I will go play pokemon. But atleast I won't be sadistic everyday of my life due to my abominated career.
Now, maybe you may think that your idea's/opinions are more rational then mine, but unless you are an Optometrist and are absolutely certain about your claims, which no one is, then your ideas/opinions are just as rational as mine.
