Canadian citizen wanting to return to Canada for residency

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Hi everyone,

I've been looking through this forum, but I still haven't found a definitive answer.

I'm a Canadian citizen that is currently finishing my first year of medical school in the United States. I will be taking the U.S. board exam (USMLE Step 1) at the end of my second year.

My question is: what will I need to do to apply for Canadian residencies? Will I need to write the MCCEE if I hope to apply in Alberta or B.C.?

Any help would be appreciated!

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no you don't, you qill have to write mccq1 during your internship
 
Having been in your shoes I can definitively tell you that you do NOT have to write any Canadian exams (MCCEE, QE1, QE2) if you apply for Canadian residencies coming from a US school. The Canadian programs will only look to see that you passed Step 1, 2CS, and 2CK. That's it.
 
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Having been in your shoes I can definitively tell you that you do NOT have to write any Canadian exams (MCCEE, QE1, QE2) if you apply for Canadian residencies coming from a US school. The Canadian programs will only look to see that you passed Step 1, 2CS, and 2CK. That's it.

Are you sure of that?

is MCCEE equivalent to Step 1? And QE1 and QE2 equivalent to Step 2 and 3?
 
Are you sure of that?

is MCCEE equivalent to Step 1? And QE1 and QE2 equivalent to Step 2 and 3?

You are treated like a Canadian student. The exams are not equivalent but since you are a US student you are required to pass them. (you also cannot graduate from your school without passing them)

However once you are in residency, you are required to pass mccqs just like canadian students
 
Actually in Ontario if you took USMLE 1, 2CK, and 2CS after 2004 it is equivalent for the MCCQE 1 and 2.
 
Can one practice in Alberta or Ontario even if one was never a resident in those provinces?
 
You are treated like a Canadian student. The exams are not equivalent but since you are a US student you are required to pass them. (you also cannot graduate from your school without passing them)

However once you are in residency, you are required to pass mccqs just like canadian students

M. Furfur is right. If you want to do a residency in Canada, you must (during residency) write the LMCCs (aka MCCQs) along with all the other residents across the country. No exceptions (unless you are planning to leave Canada upon completion of your residency and practice somewhere else).

The link posted above by Leeolive doesn't apply to residents.
So what does it refer to?
If you are a Canadian who completed a US residency and are fully US board certified (e.g. a fully fledged specialist, NOT a resident) then your USMLEs may be accepted in lieu of the MCCQs by Alberta or Ontario.


Can one practice in Alberta or Ontario even if one was never a resident in those provinces?

Yes.

You just need to meet all of the requirements of the College of Physicians and Surgeons of Alberta or the College of Physicians and Surgeons of Ontario. If you complete a Canadian residency program (passing the MCCQ Part I and II is part of this, see above) and then pass the Royal College exam in your specialty, then you won't have any difficulty getting licensure to practice in any province that you like.
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I'm actually in the situation as a US grad now in Ontario doing residency and going into R3. Did not have to write the LMCC with other residents. I have continued to be able to get my licence from the College of Physicians and Surgeons of Ontario and am eligible to sit for Royal College Exams.
 
I'm actually in the situation as a US grad now in Ontario doing residency and going into R3. Did not have to write the LMCC with other residents. I have continued to be able to get my licence from the College of Physicians and Surgeons of Ontario and am eligible to sit for Royal College Exams.

I still encourage the OP to write the MCCQs - it's so much easier in the long run.

You are able to get your educational license from the College of Physicians and Surgeons of Ontario because it's an educational license for residents - no province requires the MCCQs for this purpose. But when you try to get a license to practice medicine independently, most provinces require your LMCC License Number (which you are issued after finishing the exams).

So, drawback number one is that without the LMCC License Number you are restricted to Ontario and Alberta.

The second problem is that when you try to get an independent license in Ontario, you will discover that without the LMCC License Number, you are only eligible for a restricted license to practice (see below). This is not the same as a full license, and has some . . . well, restrictions . . . placed upon it (see the text in red).

Summary: OP - do the MCCQs. A lot less trouble in the long run.

http://www.cpso.on.ca/policies/policies/default.aspx?id=1640
Alternatives to the Medical Council of Canada Examinations Parts 1 and 2
Applicants who are not licentiates of the Medical Council of Canada but who have successfully completed one of the following examinations:

1. USMLE Steps 1, 2 and 3. Step 2 Clinical Skills (CS) is required if Step 2 was taken after June 12, 2004.
2. ECFMG certification plus USMLE Step 3. Applies to international medical school graduates who passed USMLE Step 2 Clinical Skills Assessment (CSA) between July 1, 1998 to June 14, 2004.
3. FLEX component 1 and component 2 successfully completed (score of 75 on each component) between January 1, 1992 and December 31, 1994.
4. NBME Part 1, 2 and 3, successfully completed between January 1, 1992 and December 31, 1994.
5. The Comprehensive Osteopathic Licensing Examination (COMLEX-USA) Levels 1, 2 and 3. COMLEX-USA Level 2 Performance Evaluation (PE) component is required if Level 2 was completed after September 2004. (Applies to graduates of osteopathic schools accredited by the American Osteopathic Association.)
6. Examen Clinique Objectif Structuré (ECOS) of the Collège des Médecins du Québec passed between January 1, 1992 and December 31, 2000.

may be eligible for a certificate of registration with the following conditions, provided the applicant meets all other criteria for registration:

The physician must practice with a mentor and/or supervisor until he or she has successfully completed an assessment.
The physician must undergo an assessment after completing a minimum of one year of practice in Ontario.

The certificate of registration automatically expires 18 months from the date of issuance, but may be renewed by the Registration Committee, with or without additional or other terms, conditions and limitations.
All applications submitted under this policy require review and approval by the College’s Registration Committee.
 
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so you have a restricted license within the first 18 months before the assessment, but if you pass the assessment, you'll have a full license? Where exactly does it say restricted?
 
so you have a restricted license within the first 18 months before the assessment, but if you pass the assessment, you'll have a full license?

I guess so. They don't use the term restricted on this page; at any rate, it's supervised practice (you need to find a mentor to supervise you for the first 18 months) and if you pass the assessment . . .well, your guess is as good as mine. I've never met anyone who went this route (I don't practice in Ontario). I'd contact the College directly if you wanted more specific information, or try to find someone who has used this option to get licensed.

Where exactly does it say restricted?

http://www.cpso.on.ca/policies/policies/default.aspx?ID=1684
http://www.cpso.on.ca/uploadedFiles/policies/policies/policyitems/Restricted%20cert.pdf

There is some conflicting data on the website and not all of it is time-stamped; you might want to check with the Royal College of Canada and the Royal College of Ontario just to be sure. Speaking from personal experience, getting a province to issue a license for independent practice even with all of your i's dotted and t's crossed can be an adventure.

Avoid the hassle. Trust me - write the MCCQs. It is not a big deal.
 
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There is some conflicting data on the website and not all of it is time-stamped; you might want to check with the Royal College of Canada and the Royal College of Ontario just to be sure. Speaking from personal experience, getting a province to issue a license for independent practice even with all of your i's dotted and t's crossed can be an adventure.

Avoid the hassle. Trust me - write the MCCQs. It is not a big deal.

I understand. Thank you for this valuable information! (I always thought one could avoid the MCCQs if they had the full USMLEs/COMLEXs since they were considered "equivalent", but I guess in reality, there's still lots of hoops to jump through if one didn't have the MCCQs).. I guess that's the problem with Canada, everything's nicely written on paper, but in reality, it is quite different..
 
I'm in a similar situation, but I'm not looking to apply in Alberta or Ontario... I'm interested in going back to Nova Scotia.

This might be a silly question but I can't find an answer anywhere...

I'll be taking the USMLE Step 1 this June (eek!) ... when should I take the exam in Canada? If I were to take it during this year's Fall session (Oct-Nov), would that be adequate?

Thank you!
 
I'm in a similar situation, but I'm not looking to apply in Alberta or Ontario... I'm interested in going back to Nova Scotia.

This might be a silly question but I can't find an answer anywhere...

I'll be taking the USMLE Step 1 this June (eek!) ... when should I take the exam in Canada? If I were to take it during this year's Fall session (Oct-Nov), would that be adequate?

Thank you!

If by exam you mean the MCCQE 1, most people take it in the last year of med school. You can only write the MCCQE2 after doing one year of residency. Neither is required to apply fro a residency position in Canada, just to practice here. Cheers,
M
 
Hi everyone,

I've been looking through this forum, but I still haven't found a definitive answer.

I'm a Canadian citizen that is currently finishing my first year of medical school in the United States. I will be taking the U.S. board exam (USMLE Step 1) at the end of my second year.

My question is: what will I need to do to apply for Canadian residencies? Will I need to write the MCCEE if I hope to apply in Alberta or B.C.?

Any help would be appreciated!

The MCCEE is the Medical Council of Canada Evaluating Examination for International Medical Graduates (IMG). You do not have to take that exam because you will be a US grad (not an IMG).

Provincial Criteria can be found on the carms website, here.
http://www.carms.ca/eng/r1_eligibility_prov_e.shtml
 
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There is some conflicting data on the website and not all of it is time-stamped; you might want to check with the Royal College of Canada and the Royal College of Ontario just to be sure. Speaking from personal experience, getting a province to issue a license for independent practice even with all of your i's dotted and t's crossed can be an adventure.

pet peeve...using Royal for the provincial licensing authority

Royal College of Physicians and Surgeons of Canada - accredit residencies and offer specialty exams

College of Physicians and Surgeons of Ontario - issue licences
 
The MCCEE is the Medical Council of Canada Evaluating Examination for International Medical Graduates (IMG). You do not have to take that exam because you will be a US grad (not an IMG).

As long as you're a grad of an allopathic school (US grads of osteopathic schools do have to take it).
 
hey guys

I'm also a US med student (Canadian citizen)...for those of you who have went through the Canadian match process, can you comment on how US grads are viewed? (I know we are "equal" in terms of the match compared to Canadians, but I wanted to know how this translates over into the real world....how much importance is placed on the USMLE step 1 score? What are the major determinants of a residency match? LOR? clerkship grades? away rotations?)....

basically i'm just trying to figure out whether we are at a disadvantage when applying to competitive specialties in Canada...I know in the US that if you have a good board score and good clerkship grades, you are pretty much set...have no clue what its like in Canada!
 
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