Can I return to Canada after J1 Visa Residency?

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In relation to the other thread on this board,

After completing my MD in the UK, and assuming I match into residency in the States on J1 Visa, after residency, can I come back to Canada to work for the 2 years?

Or does it have to be UK since that was my last country of residence?

(I am dual citizen, Canadian-British)

TIA,

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Sure you can go anywhere you want after a J-1 for 2 years. The question is whether you can practice medicine or not.
I'd suggest you familiarize yourself with the College of Physicians and Surgeons of Ontario website to get a realistic view of how difficult and restricted getting a medical licence in Canada is. It might be easier in the UK but even they have changed the rules for full registration.
 
Sure you can go anywhere you want after a J-1 for 2 years. The question is whether you can practice medicine or not.
I'd suggest you familiarize yourself with the College of Physicians and Surgeons of Ontario website to get a realistic view of how difficult and restricted getting a medical licence in Canada is. It might be easier in the UK but even they have changed the rules for full registration.


Thanks for that,

But like I said in the other thread, what do all the Canadians do that graduate from Carribean schools and complete residency on J1? Do they just 'chill' for 2 years and not work? I find that hard to believe.

I just went to the CPSO website:

http://www.cpso.on.ca/registration/requirements/default.aspx?id=1780

Excuse my ignorance, but am I looking at requirements for "Independent Practice". Cause it says I need 1 year of Canadian Post-Grad training.....you think U.S post grad training would count?

Oh great, I just read that in order to get licensed by the CPSO, I have to be licensed by the RCPS. And In order to be licensed by RCPS, you have to have residency completed in an accredited Canadian program (American programs are not accepted).

This is brutal.

So is this basically saying that American trained doctors have no way of moving to Canada if they wanted to? Again, I find this hard to believe, but maybe I'm getting a reality check....
 
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So is this basically saying that American trained doctors have no way of moving to Canada if they wanted to?

Not at all. There are several US trained physicians working in my hospital. But that doesn't mean it's really easy, particularly if you want to work in a "desirable" area. Even in my rather run-of-the-mill hospital in Eastern Canada, lately the number of US applicants for the posted attending spots has sky-rocketed. (Maybe because they're afraid of what will happen under Obama-care? I don't know.)

The first step (whether you trained in Canada or the US) is to have your training recognized by Royal College. See this link - it gives all the info and the necessary forms, etc. Once your training has been assessed, you then are eligible to sit the Royal College Exam.

Once you have passed your Royal College exams, you can seek license to practice medicine from the province that you're interested in. Most provinces require you to also have the MCCQE Part I and II exams (these are sort of like the USMLEs). By way of example, this is Alberta's process for seeking licensure in that province. You need to contact the province that you're interested in for the details.

So, it's not that you can't come back and practice. But be aware that - at least at my end of the country - there have been an increasing number of applicants for a limited number of positions.

Long story short: if you want to practice in Canada, do residency in Canada (if you can). If you want to practice in the US, do residency in the US.

If you're going to be a US trained family doctor, see here. Because the country is much more desperate for FPs than for specialists - and particularly if you're willing to work in rural/remote areas - the licensing is much less stringent.

what do all the Canadians do that graduate from Carribean schools and complete residency on J1?

I have no idea, sorry. But try reading this link - I think that this group of people may have helpful suggestions.
 
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Sweet, thanks for the info.

Yeh I definitly want to practice in the States, its just that if I go on J1 visa, I'll have to return to Canada for 2 years after residency. So I'm making sure I won't be stranded in 5-6 years.

I'll definitly look into the RCPS site.


Not at all. There are several US trained physicians working in my hospital. But that doesn't mean it's really easy, particularly if you want to work in a "desirable" area. Even in my rather run-of-the-mill hospital in Eastern Canada, lately the number of US applicants for the posted attending spots has sky-rocketed. (Maybe because they're afraid of what will happen under Obama-care? I don't know.)

The first step (whether you trained in Canada or the US) is to have your training recognized by Royal College. See this link - it gives all the info and the necessary forms, etc. Once your training has been assessed, you then are eligible to sit the Royal College Exam.

Once you have passed your Royal College exams, you can seek license to practice medicine from the province that you're interested in. Most provinces require you to also have the MCCQE Part I and II exams (these are sort of like the USMLEs). By way of example, this is Alberta's process for seeking licensure in that province. You need to contact the province that you're interested in for the details.

So, it's not that you can't come back and practice. But be aware that - at least at my end of the country - there have been an increasing number of applicants for a limited number of positions.

Long story short: if you want to practice in Canada, do residency in Canada (if you can). If you want to practice in the US, do residency in the US.

If you're going to be a US trained family doctor, see here. Because the country is much more desperate for FPs than for specialists - and particularly if you're willing to work in rural/remote areas - the licensing is much less stringent.



I have no idea, sorry. But try reading this link - I think that this group of people may have helpful suggestions.
 
Believe what you read about how US and other IMG's are treated by the CPSO or other Colleges of Physicians in Canada. The Registrars in these offices should not be dealing with people because you are treated like some criminal trying to apply for a licence. I cannot get over the arrogance and stupidity of those people.
Some US Specialists can't obtained licences in Canada without that extra "11 months" of Canadian training. This is absolutely ludicrous. Say you did your medical school and residency and fellowship at Harvard in Pulmonary and are an attending at Mass Eye and Ear for 10 years and try and apply for license in Canada? Guess what the Canadian licensing boneheads will say? Sorry you didn't do an extra 11 months training back in the early '90's so sorry no licence you can't write the RCPSC exam. Can you believe that silly Canadian nonsense?
Family Medicine might be easier but you have to be a graduate of a US Medical school. So if you go to Oxford/Cambridge Medical school in UK and complete US Family Medicine residency then try and get a Canadian licence the Canadian boneheads will say: sorry you didn't go to a US medical school. However if you went to some backwater Evangelical medical school like Oral Roberts in rural Kentucky then did a US Family Medicine Residency the Canadian licensing boneheads would say: step right in you meet all of our concrete thinking algorythms.
The kicker for me is when I sent in my medical degree from Columbia University it was written in Latin. But the Canadian medical licensing boneheads wouldn't accept a degree not in French or English. Any degree in a foreign language had to be translated. Can you believe Canadians are such boneheads that they consider Latin a "foreign language". Which country of foreigners speaks Latin?
Anyway you're stressing me out just thinking you want to deal with this Canadian nonsense. Like I said before it's a whole lot more fun and less stressful: go to Match or Love .com or hand around the Buckingham Palace and hook up with a US Citizen. Otherwise the rest of your life will be miserable.
 
Haha, great post. Love it.

Hey man, I am loving life, but I also don't want to be screwed few years down the road.

I am Canadian, I grew up in Canada, did my undergraduate BScH at Queen's University, so I'm fairly familiar with the health care system in Canada. I know Canada is stupid when it comes to IMGs. Why do you think I refuse to want to come back to Canada to do residency? My dream back in the day was to go to Univ. of Toronto for medicine. Of course I didnt get in. But looking back its prolly the best thing that happened to me.

Anyways, long story short, after seeing what happened in my undergrad years, lot of my good friends didn't get into med school not because they were 'dumber' than me, probably much smarter than me, but because lack of planning.

So I want to make sure I play my cards right and not be stranded 8 years down the road. Honestly, after reading some forums, I'm hearing stories of Surgeons who have completed residency/fellowship training and then have no job for their 2 year gap. That worries me, unemployed surgeon....


Believe what you read about how US and other IMG's are treated by the CPSO or other Colleges of Physicians in Canada. The Registrars in these offices should not be dealing with people because you are treated like some criminal trying to apply for a licence. I cannot get over the arrogance and stupidity of those people.
Some US Specialists can't obtained licences in Canada without that extra "11 months" of Canadian training. This is absolutely ludicrous. Say you did your medical school and residency and fellowship at Harvard in Pulmonary and are an attending at Mass Eye and Ear for 10 years and try and apply for license in Canada? Guess what the Canadian licensing boneheads will say? Sorry you didn't do an extra 11 months training back in the early '90's so sorry no licence you can't write the RCPSC exam. Can you believe that silly Canadian nonsense?
Family Medicine might be easier but you have to be a graduate of a US Medical school. So if you go to Oxford/Cambridge Medical school in UK and complete US Family Medicine residency then try and get a Canadian licence the Canadian boneheads will say: sorry you didn't go to a US medical school. However if you went to some backwater Evangelical medical school like Oral Roberts in rural Kentucky then did a US Family Medicine Residency the Canadian licensing boneheads would say: step right in you meet all of our concrete thinking algorythms.
The kicker for me is when I sent in my medical degree from Columbia University it was written in Latin. But the Canadian medical licensing boneheads wouldn't accept a degree not in French or English. Any degree in a foreign language had to be translated. Can you believe Canadians are such boneheads that they consider Latin a "foreign language". Which country of foreigners speaks Latin?
Anyway you're stressing me out just thinking you want to deal with this Canadian nonsense. Like I said before it's a whole lot more fun and less stressful: go to Match or Love .com or hand around the Buckingham Palace and hook up with a US Citizen. Otherwise the rest of your life will be miserable.
 
The kicker for me is when I sent in my medical degree from Columbia University it was written in Latin . . . . Any degree in a foreign language had to be translated.

Ha ha! That happened to me, too!

Not many Canadian schools still issue their testamurs in Latin, but in that day mine did. It's been no end of trouble.

I needed a notorized translation . . . several times.
 
In relation to the other thread on this board,

After completing my MD in the UK, and assuming I match into residency in the States on J1 Visa, after residency, can I come back to Canada to work for the 2 years?

Or does it have to be UK since that was my last country of residence?

(I am dual citizen, Canadian-British)

TIA,


The US doesn't really care about your last country of residence. However, The 2 years MUST be spent in the country from which you can get the "statement of need". You must have that document in order to get a J1 visa from the US. I don't know about the UK, but to get that document from Canada, you will need to pass the mccee plus some other stupid requirements. You may want to check that on Health Canada website.

http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/hcs-sss/hhr-rhs/strateg/postgrad-postdoc/index-eng.php
 
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