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Any of y'all see this lady?
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SW FL checking in.
I know where this shop is.
But, this could also happen at my shop on any given day.
Crazy lives here
I know where this shop is.
But, this could also happen at my shop on any given day.
Crazy lives here
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$1K bail for attempted manslaughter by vehicle
Seems reasonable
Seems reasonable
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I know! That blew my mind.
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With what else is going on in Florida right now, this seems perfectly normal.
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Did she get a medical screening exam for her second visit? Just kidding.
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It said she was medically cleared after the accident, so I think maybe she was…
First, she should be charged with attempted murder (one count for each patient and staff member in the front of the ED)
Second, lifetime ban from all ERs, let her get medical care on the street.
Harsh I know, but this nonsense needs to end
Second, lifetime ban from all ERs, let her get medical care on the street.
Harsh I know, but this nonsense needs to end
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We once had a psych patient get discharged, somehow get into a cop car that had doors open and engine running, and drive off. She got on the freeway, nobody would have noticed except she was talking jibberish on the radio to the dispatcher.
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Sent that story to all my coworkers. And their response was just "our ED has bollards in front of it for a reason." Nice part of working for the county hospital - they assume these psychos exist (they're 35% of our patient population), and design the structure to dissuade them 
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It’s way past time we continue to put up with this.
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This and everything else. If you can't act like a human, you get a chemical takedown and either a ride in the police car, or a ride to the psych facility. Period. The ER is for those who want/need to seek stabilization of illness, not behave like deranged children.
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We have had many a knife / gun brought into our facility and admin still refuses to install metal detectors.
In the US, definitely. With ample access to firearms, too.
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I'm sure if she drove her car into a day care or a police station, she'd get charged with "criminal mischief" and get out on $1k bail.
Assaulting or trying to kill healthcare workers is trendy and hip again. Healthcare heroes? So last season.
Assaulting or trying to kill healthcare workers is trendy and hip again. Healthcare heroes? So last season.
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We finally, FINALLY, got metal detectors after pulling numerous knives, guns and hatchets off of people in our 30k visit/yr suburban ER. I have absolutely no idea how nothing happened with the amount of weapons we've found.
One of my partners keeps a list of guns/knives he's found on patients. His wife knows about the list and his instructions to her have been, "If something happens to me, sue the hospital system. I've been telling them about this for years." I wish I was kidding.
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How effective is your screening? Let's just say I could power through the checkpoint without stopping at our city hospital. Hiring an off duty cop to sit with the screener would be more helpful.
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She wasn’t charged with attempted manslaughter. Which is also mind blowing.
The charges filed for this are the problem and outrageous.
She was charged with criminal mischief and trespassing…. For driving her car into the Emergency room…. TWICE!
If this was a court or a police station then she would be charged with every possible maximum charge including attempted murder and attempted manslaughter, felony assault etc..
But since it happened in a hospital it’s just a wrist slap.
Slap a nurse, get a warning/community service. Slap a cop, get 25 years….
She was charged with criminal mischief and trespassing…. For driving her car into the Emergency room…. TWICE!
If this was a court or a police station then she would be charged with every possible maximum charge including attempted murder and attempted manslaughter, felony assault etc..
But since it happened in a hospital it’s just a wrist slap.
Slap a nurse, get a warning/community service. Slap a cop, get 25 years….
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They like to add phrases like " ... of an officer" to charges too, don't they?
Attempted murder... of an officer.
Felony assault... of an officer.
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Not in Georgia. OCGA § 16-5-21 was amended in 2017 to read as follows:
"A person who knowingly commits the offense of aggravated assault upon an emergency health worker while the worker is engaged in, or on account of the performance of, his or her official duties shall, upon conviction thereof, be punished by imprisonment for not less than five nor more than 20 years. As used in this subsection, the term 'emergency health worker" means hospital emergency department personnel and emergency medical services personnel."Assault an ED nurse, physician, tech, or EMS worker, and it carries the same sentence as assaulting a police officer. Our police officers won't hesitate to arrest someone who assaults one of us.
I wish this was nationwide….
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So, "aggravated assault" is a bit different than regular assault.
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Yes, you are correct. A simple assault against an emergency worker is codified by O.C.G.A. § 16-10-24.2 and carries a mandatory 1-5 year sentence. A simple assault against an emergency worker is still classified as a felony in Georgia. Even threatening violence will get you arrested.
...threatening or doing violence to the person of such emergency medical technician, emergency medical professional, or properly identified person working under the direction of an emergency medical professional is guilty of a felony and shall, upon conviction thereof, be punished by imprisonment for not less than one nor more than five years.
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We are trying to push through similar laws for inpatient nurses, rehab nurses, etc. It shouldn't be just for emergency workers, but when myself and several others were actively lobbying to get this passed, we were short-sighted and didn't think about those outside of EMS/ED. A police officer (who is an attorney and paramedic) was actively involved in writing the law.
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Kemp signs Safer Hospitals Act
The Midtown shooting at Northside Hospital put the safety of hospitals and medical offices in the spotlight. A new law signed by Gov. Kemp is designed to protect those employees and prosecute anyone who tries to harm them.
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It doesn't fit the narrative, bury the story, move one.
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I had a patient once who came in for some variation of "I'm feeling to anxious." They had legit longstanding emotional issues and were mid-transitioning F-to-M. I felt for them and decided to give them a dose of ativan and refill their existing ativan Rx for about a week until they could see their doctor (and I did my narx check and they seemed to be pretty good at filling it once a month and only using one doctor... they just burned through a lot of it in a short time this one month 2/2 acute anxiety). Everything going well. I prep the DC papers and **** goes south fast.
He demands we hand him 7 days of pills. Doesn't believe that my rx I wrote him is real or will be filled. States a different hospital tried to trick him with that before - so I go through it all with him and he still doesn't seem happy. Wants to be handed them or he will refuse to leave. I ask nursing to escort him out, he begins fighting. So I ask security to escort him out and he begins leaping up and down on the bed to avoid being touched. While leaping he grabs the tele monitor off the wall and rips it down. you can see it wasnt his intent because he seems shocked at first but now that its in his hands his eyes light up with destructive ideas. He throws it at security - who flee the room. He picks it up and throws it at the TV in the room which breaks. He unlocks his bed and rams it into the door of the room (which actually didnt do anything). He then gets on his bed and starts punching ceiling tiles and grabbing the chunks and throwing them yelling that "this wont stop until you give me my f***ing meds."
So obviously we call police. Who arrive .... and refuse to do anything. They state that he should be baker acted (psych hold in FL) and they "can't" arrest him because he is clearly psych. We explain that he is not psych, he never was psych, and even if he was we will take all legal responsibilities for his psych state and confirm he is not psych right this second. We tell them they have to, and they begrudgingly agree. So they arrest him.
about 15 minutes later he comes back in by ambulance. Apparently they released him on the corner of the property and told him to go on his way. He immediately called 911 from the corner of our property and came back by ambulance. So we put him in a psych seclusion room and called the police again. We stated very clearly we wanted to press charges and now I had my director and the Hospital's ED coordinator there agreeing with me. A *different* unit shows up, refuses to arrest him, and instead goes ahead and files a baker act on him. We are yelling at them to come back and arrest him and they are literally just acting like they cant hear us as they re-enter their cruiser and drive off.
The ED coordinator has the number for the supervisor of this police department and make him come out. He hems and haws and repeatedly refuses to do it stating that they really don't like to arrest these patients because "the [newspaper] loves to take these stories and make us look like the bad guy arresting a sick person." We all explain that we want to press charges and we need this person arrested. He let out the biggest sigh and did it.
20 minutes later I get a call from my director (I left for the day, it was shift change). He called the closest hospital to us and the police just drove him there and let him go at the other hospital under a baker act. It took another few hours to convince the PD responsible for that area to cooperate and arrest him so that we could press charges (though their hesitancy was solely because it wasnt really their jurisdiction since it happened at our hospital initially).
PD simply *do not* want to arrest patients where I am at.
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Similar situation around me. I would estimate that half of the drunks that show up in the ED are here for public intoxication. Cops get called and say "Jail or ER" and then bring them to the ER.
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funny if they 911'ed her away to the local trauma center ;D
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Wow. Just wow.
One of the reasons I entered EM was because I wanted to FaceTime with police officers, EMS, firefighters, and other first responders. I was under the impression all these occupations had cooperative relationships with the hospital and with ED staff and docs.
I was right about all but one of those occupations. Police officers are so rude and consistently do the absolute bare minimum required of them, which isn’t much to begin with. They have no professional standards and don’t seem to act with any sense of professional or social responsibility. They are either just as passive in times of emergency as you described, or they are obstructions to medical care. Never in my training or practice have I had a good interaction with a police officer in uniform in the ED.
Mind you, my interactions with firefighters, ems, flight crews, etc have all been vastly positive. These people care about patients and always seem like they want to do the right thing.
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I think you're making a general defamatory statement against police officers that certainly does not apply to all police officers.
Luckily they are very aggressive at arresting these people where I work.
Sure, it's a generalized statement, but it is also the experience of many including myself, and the reputation of police generally in the US is in the toilet because of how bad they often are at interacting with the community. Fun experience tonight, had a psych patient who was urinating on paper towels and was then throwing them around the room, using them to cover up the in-room camera, and throwing them at and yelling at the nurse. The nurse asked the officer we had in the department at the time about pressing charges. I happened to overhear the officer saying he couldn't because there wasn't any public urination, as though how public the ED is was the only concern. I chimed in and said "Ah, so if I go urinate on someone, as long as it's not on the street, even if they don't consent, I'm in the clear? Not going to catch an assault charge for that?" No response.
I've also had police refuse to take even a criminal complaint on a patient who straight up physically assaulted a nurse, let alone effect an arrest. But one time a patient assaulted an officer, and you bet backup was there ASAP and they went hands-on and hauled him off to jail, no problem.
For some reason, these ED patients are viewed as almost immune from legal consequences (in the EDs I've worked at). If I ever rob a bank or commit some other large crime I'm just going to drive straight to the ER because then I'll be invisible to local law enforcement.
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Please. Spare me the virtue signaling. Tell me what you make of the following statements in the context of this forum:
“I think you're making a general defamatory statement against patients with fibromyalgia that certainly does not apply to all patients with fibro.”
“I think you're making a general defamatory statement against hospital admin that certainly does not apply to all hospital admin.”
“I think you're making a general defamatory statement against new hca residency programs that certainly does not apply to all new hca residency programs.”
I like most of what you say on this here forum, Southern. But please, police are not above criticism. We’re all here speaking on what we have experienced. I’m certain I’m not alone.
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Both sides of the previous argument get one thing right - and I suggest you learn from it. It may be a trend that police dont want *anything* to do with anyone who might be even the slightest bit psychiatric. But it is a fact that if a patient does much more than breathe too heavily on a police officer, theyre going to get backup and arrest the f*** out of them, if not worse.
So what I'm saying is - still be friends with the cops because if you really want to be safe, just nudge an officer between you and the patient you need gone ASAP and the second one molecule of the patient touches the cop, it will be a solved problem.
And mind you - I dont blame the cops on this at all. Its just funny that it truly requires rising to that level so much of the time to get them to act.
Yeah, sometimes I miss being in areas / hospitals where police aggressively arrest patients who are (1) clearly not "psych" and (2) clearly violent.
But it seems like every year the willingness to dump mild intoxication that gets violent, or just plain violence that is violent onto the ED is worsening.
We got a 17yo last shift. Why? He drew a knife on a security guard after said guard try to stop him from shoplifting. Fled. Next day cops found him, arrested him, apparently had some illegal items on him (switch blade stuff).
BROUGHT TO THE ED AS A SECTION 12 HARM TO OTHERS... because its just crazy he pulled a knife on a guard?! Literally brought him in cuffed, released the cuffs, hand over the section 12 they'd filled out. Kid seems the type who might get in trouble, but had a level-headed 5 minute talk with me and the nurse, not psychotic, doesn't want to harm self or others, just trying to avoid getting caught shoplifting...
I'll spare you the details, but of course this got messy eventually.
And don't get me started on the big dude who has 5 beers, gets in a bar brawl, they tell him "ER or JAIL"... of course comes to the ER everytime... which usually results in him trying to punch more people....
But it seems like every year the willingness to dump mild intoxication that gets violent, or just plain violence that is violent onto the ED is worsening.
We got a 17yo last shift. Why? He drew a knife on a security guard after said guard try to stop him from shoplifting. Fled. Next day cops found him, arrested him, apparently had some illegal items on him (switch blade stuff).
BROUGHT TO THE ED AS A SECTION 12 HARM TO OTHERS... because its just crazy he pulled a knife on a guard?! Literally brought him in cuffed, released the cuffs, hand over the section 12 they'd filled out. Kid seems the type who might get in trouble, but had a level-headed 5 minute talk with me and the nurse, not psychotic, doesn't want to harm self or others, just trying to avoid getting caught shoplifting...
I'll spare you the details, but of course this got messy eventually.
And don't get me started on the big dude who has 5 beers, gets in a bar brawl, they tell him "ER or JAIL"... of course comes to the ER everytime... which usually results in him trying to punch more people....
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Jargon, again. What is "Section 12"? Involuntary psych?
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