No, unless the program specifically states so.
Put these numbers up against SGU and they lose
The attrition rates for Europe and Australia schools are always less than 5%. That is not the case with SGU.
All you guys have is attrition rates, SGU still produces more doctors and residents then any other individual US medical school.
SGU's attrition isn't all that terrible. Ross, however, fails more students each year than every US allopathic medical school COMBINED.
It would be great if you guys would stop posting links to blogs and treating the info on them as fact. This link for instance the person specifically states that they've "read" that the attrition rate is 40-50%. You know where they probably read that? Likely this site and by posters who also don't know why they are talking about.
It would be much easier to have this discussion if Ross was transparent.
I agree, but the fact that they're not doesn't give you carte blanche to just present every number you randomly read on the internet as fact or to just make stuff up entirely like certain (cat-loving) people do.
Alright, from now on I'll just say, "somewhere between zero and 100% of Ross' students fail before competing their degree. I'd love to tell you how high this is, but all we know is that it is much higher than any of the other Big 4 Caribbean schools and they refuse to provide data on the matter."
hm... I don't think I can say that all DO schools are better than certain foreign schools.
I'd say: "If it's Liberty COM, go abroad instead."
Quality of education should be the utmost importance. Sadly politics doesn't agree.
Got any proof that things have improved since then?
The students that have failed out of my school were not the ones with the worst grades. They were the ones who couldn't deal with things emotionally. Nor have the ones that have excelled been the ones with fantastic grades. Don't ever think yourself above failure when you've yet to see what you're in for.
I love how Ross is like, "we're cheaper than US schools because two semesters here is cheaper than two semesters there" while totally failing to mention that they have a 3 semester per year academic system lol.
They had more students match,in volume, than ever before because their class sizes are larger than ever before. Neither has said a word about attrition rates, and Ross' proud match statistic counts prelim positions as success. Their categorical match rate is substantially lower than any US school, period, and their attrition is astoundingly higher.
Most DO schools don't have a teaching hospital, either, and students rotate at sites that don't have residencies. From what I've gathered, it seems that the use of affiliated hospitals can be a "hit and miss" for clinical clerkships.
I was quoting the previous poster from another thread. I do agree with it. Do a "lucom" search around the forum and you'll know why.
I've mostly agreed with your [unpopular] comments regarding Caribbean schools. However, after reading how things work at SGU (here: http://www.tameersiddiqui.com/medical-school-at-sgu/why-sgu-may-not-be-for-you), I am disgusted. This seems like a terrible environment for anybody to learn in. I previously thought SGU was arguably the best Caribbean medical school. Now I believe it to be a piece of garbage.
This is a good point. Although most (all?) Australian programs don't teach specifically to prepare students for the USMLE like the Caribbean schools do, you know you are getting your money's worth in regard to your education. As far as I know, there won't be devious grading policies and you won't be in a malignant environment, when compared to SGU.
Carib aside, none of medical schools outside the US teaches to the USMLE. They have no reason to.
This is one students opinion who failed out. I attended SGU went on to complete my first 2 years with honors and now about to finish my clinical's.. Have nothing but good memories of SGU....
AFAIK, some Carib schools let you start mid-year or in August like US schools, so not everyone gets longer prep time. And, what European program gives you 3-6 months off to study for Step 1? Please do a bit of research on that!
They give you the option of (deceling) requesting an extra semester to pass a course. This is medical school you shouldn't be failing any classes, look they give you a second shot if you cant make it into a MD or DO school. Attrition rates at SGU are about 10% and dropping not bad for a second chance school.....
Yes, welcome to the real world.
