2021 Graduates & Jobs:

[TheWallnerus]

Speaking of which, there are two ATL VA locums positions listed on ASTRO. Isn’t that Moghanaki’s old stomping grounds? I wonder where on the hellpit scale that place ranks.

They're looking to fill at least one permanent. It's not SUPER hell-pitty. But it's VA. I imagine it's like being upper level management (but not the TOP guy) in a large post office, but instead of overseeing sorting the mail you're overseeing sorting the grays.

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[Gfunk6]

It's not SUPER hell-pitty.

Well, that certainly doesn't sound like a ringing endorsement

 

[Ray D. Ayshun]

They're looking to fill at least one permanent. It's not SUPER hell-pitty. But it's VA. I imagine it's like being upper level management (but not the TOP guy) in a large post office, but instead of overseeing sorting the mail you're overseeing sorting the grays.

No VA job is super hell pitty. There's always the option of just sitting there.

 

[TheWallnerus]

Well, that certainly doesn't sound like a ringing endorsement

You are correct sir

 

[seper]

The thing about intern year, it’s just a year. Being a RadOnc attending, you see no light at the end

 

[medgator]

No VA job is super hell pitty. There's always the option of just sitting there.

Can't do anything before 8 or after 430, even if you wanted to.

"You don't move the elephant, you RIDE the elephant!"

Certainly can work for the right individual though....

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/former-va-physician-charged-with-the-deaths-of-three-veterans/2019/08/20/0119ea16-c345-11e9-9986-1fb3e4397be4_story.html

Illegal VA policy allows hiring since 2002 of medical workers with revoked licenses

VA officials in Iowa relied on the 15-year-old, illegal guidance to hire a neurosurgeon with multiple malpractice claims and a revoked license.

www.usatoday.com

 

[thecarbonionangle]

If you want to be a clock puncher rock, go work at the VA, by all means.

 

[seper]

In some markets, RadOnc VA job is quite a reasonable proposition.. decent pay, decent hours. I've looked at them a few times.
Straight VA employed is better than working at VA via a univeristy system

 

[DoctwoB]

As they say, if you've seen one VA you've seen one VA. I was reasonably impressed with the VA I trained at. Good combo of resident autonomy with faculty from the bighouse and patients recieved good care. Sure things were slower then the main hospital, but overall the culture was to try to do right by the patient and people would work with you to make things happen. The Obama era mandates of being seen/surgeries within 30 days was helpful, as it meant increased block time/OR staffing since they hated to refer things out of the system.

 

[Mandelin Rain]

In some markets, RadOnc VA job is quite a reasonable proposition.. decent pay, decent hours. I've looked at them a few times.
Straight VA employed is better than working at VA via a univeristy system

Yes. The key to VA work is get in early and maximize the pension through the system itself.

Disclosure: I don't work for VA and not expert.

But.... I think the pension is (years of service x 1% x highest 36 month average salary). So if you work 25 years and maxed out at 400k for at least 3 years, you'll be collecting 100k until kingdom come.

 

[elementaryschooleconomics]

Yes. The key to VA work is get in early and maximize the pension through the system itself.

Disclosure: I don't work for VA and not expert.

But.... I think the pension is (years of service x 1% x highest 36 month average salary). So if you work 25 years and maxed out at 400k for at least 3 years, you'll be collecting 100k until kingdom come.

This is my understanding of the pension as well, though I have certainly heard tales of (non-physician) folks figuring out loopholes to really live it up (that statement might be more geared towards state pensions, though).

 

[seper]

400K is too generous… more like 325K is what I was quoted

 

[medgator]

400K is too generous… more like 325K is what I was quoted

I think that's starting.. Max is 400k (can't make more than the president!)

 

[DoctwoB]

Yes. The key to VA work is get in early and maximize the pension through the system itself.

Disclosure: I don't work for VA and not expert.

But.... I think the pension is (years of service x 1% x highest 36 month average salary). So if you work 25 years and maxed out at 400k for at least 3 years, you'll be collecting 100k until kingdom come.

This is correct, with the exception of if you're there for 20 years and retire at 62 or later you get 1.1%/year * average of highest 36 months).

If you assume annual 2% raises (reasonable with government employment), with a salary of 350k and working for 30 years you're looking at 30*.011*620k = 204k/ year until death. Plug that into an annuity calculator, and you'd have to pay 3.8 million dollars to purchase an annuity with the same benefit.

Edit: raise the value of that to 4.5 million, since there is a surviving spouse benefit which would cost you extra

 

[Chartreuse Wombat]

I think that's starting.. Max is 400k (can't make more than the president!)

You can make more than the President

Dr. Anthony Fauci: The Highest Paid Employee In The Entire U.S. Federal Government

In the latest year available, his 2019 salary of $417,608, made him not only the highest paid doctor in the federal government, but the highest paid out of all four million federal employees.

www.forbes.com

 

[medgator]

You can make more than the President

Dr. Anthony Fauci: The Highest Paid Employee In The Entire U.S. Federal Government

In the latest year available, his 2019 salary of $417,608, made him not only the highest paid doctor in the federal government, but the highest paid out of all four million federal employees.

www.forbes.com

Not by much but i guess you're right

 

[medgator]

You can make more than the President

Dr. Anthony Fauci: The Highest Paid Employee In The Entire U.S. Federal Government

In the latest year available, his 2019 salary of $417,608, made him not only the highest paid doctor in the federal government, but the highest paid out of all four million federal employees.

www.forbes.com

VA is transparent if nothing else. $400k max

'physician OR radiation OR oncologist OR STATECODE:"OH"' Jobs | ASTRO Radiation Oncology Career Center

2,351 'physician OR radiation OR oncologist OR STATECODE:

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[Neuronix]

VA is transparent if nothing else. $400k max

'physician OR radiation OR oncologist OR STATECODE:"OH"' Jobs | ASTRO Radiation Oncology Career Center

2,351 'physician OR radiation OR oncologist OR STATECODE:

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For as little as the VA docs worked where I trained, $400k would not be bad at all. They would have 5-10 on treat and start fee basing patients out because they were too busy. I still remember the attending: "Your notes must be ready for me by 4 o'clock! After 4 o'clock is MY TIME" and he would leave at 4 PM and go fishing.

 

[Radonky]

For as little as the VA docs worked where I trained, $400k would not be bad at all. They would have 5-10 on treat and start fee basing patients out because they were too busy. I still remember the attending: "Your notes must be ready for me by 4 PM! After 4 PM is MY TIME" and he would leave at 4 PM and go fishing.

Yeah, our VA docs hyperventilate and feel overwhelmed with 2 or more consults per day. 10 on treat is stressing the system.

 

[thecarbonionangle]

Yeah, our VA docs hyperventilate and feel overwhelmed with 2 or more consults per day. 10 on treat is stressing the system.

More than that refer out to community care!

 

[Lamount]

Yeah, our VA docs hyperventilate and feel overwhelmed with 2 or more consults per day. 10 on treat is stressing the system.

I had a good portion of my training at a VA (which was actually pretty great). To be fair, VA patients were a lot more work than the main campus patients: often their disease is more advanced; staging is frequently incomplete; getting anything done for them quickly is an uphill battle; and you may be their only doc who returns phone calls.

 

[medgator]

Yeah, our VA docs hyperventilate and feel overwhelmed with 2 or more consults per day. 10 on treat is stressing the system.

Not a bad salary at all for the workload

 

[RickyScott]

Not a bad salary at all for the workload

My problem is that I actually enjoy the work.

 

[medgator]

My problem is that I actually enjoy the work.

agree, not a bad gig at all for some though, outside of the university setting

 

[medgator]

Prob not churn n burn if they are offering a stipend until you take the job...

Searching for El Dorado (2023) in El Dorado, AR for Radiation Oncology Associates P.A.

Exciting opportunity in El Dorado, AR for Radiation Oncology Associates P.A. as a Searching for E...

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[Gfunk6]

Prob not churn n burn if they are offering a stipend until you take the job...

Searching for El Dorado (2023) in El Dorado, AR for Radiation Oncology Associates P.A.

Exciting opportunity in El Dorado, AR for Radiation Oncology Associates P.A. as a Searching for E...

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Frankly, this sounds like a very solid job. But you have to live in El Dorado. Not everyone's cup of tea but if it works for you, really the perfect opportunity.

 

[elementaryschooleconomics]

Frankly, this sounds like a very solid job. But you have to live in El Dorado. Not everyone's cup of tea but if it works for you, really the perfect opportunity.

Agreed, I've heard good things about this group/practice, with the main "drawback" being the location. However, whether a location is a "drawback" or not is only an opinion, so if that geography is what you'd be interested in, it's a great opportunity.

 

[thecarbonionangle]

With the coming breadlines, anybody in their right mind would jump at a chance to be in a large group, partnership track in any hellpit location. Better than a hellpit location dead end job, which is what is coming for many, zero biryani. “Golden opportunity” folks!

 

[deleted941485]

With the coming breadlines, anybody in their right mind would jump at a chance to be in a large group, partnership track in any hellpit location. Better than a hellpit location dead end job, which is what is coming for many, zero biryani. “Golden opportunity” folks!

If your not used to this environment, then it isnt really a golden opportunity no matter how much they throw at you

 

[thecarbonionangle]

If your not used to this environment, then it isnt really a golden opportunity no matter how much they throw at you

My point is set aside what you’re “used to” and think critically and take a good opportunity anywhere before you have none

 

[deleted941485]

My point is set aside what you’re “used to” and think critically and take a good opportunity anywhere before you have none

If thatsbthe rype of calculation required...it’s time to think critically about options outside of this dead end

 

[ramsesthenice]

There is one other thing about working in a VA system: you have to be able to do things the least efficient way possible and be comfortable not doing anything about it. If you are even remotely type A don’t bother. You won’t be happy. But for the right person, it can be a great place to work.

 

[RadOncDoc21]

There is one other thing about working in a VA system: you have to be able to do things the least efficient way possible and be comfortable not doing anything about it. If you are even remotely type A don’t bother. You won’t be happy. But for the right person, it can be a great place to work.

Sounds like most of health care. I truly understand and have worked in the VA environment as well with the govt, currently in a large community hospital system. My experiences has been that anywhere that has a large number of admins, absolutely nothing is efficient or timely.

 

[deleted969641]

Since my account appears to be undeleted, I will share this. Basically, the situation I’ve noticed is if you take the current map of where all the Covid cases are and look at the brightest red of the red spots… that’s where the only good jobs in Rad Onc are.


I am working with a clinic in Missouri/Kansas. They have 6 doctors in the group and each doctor gets 11 weeks of vacation per year. They need some doctors that can cover vacations. Details are below. Let me know if you are interested in helping.



Multiple worksites but will only cover one worksite each week.

Worksites are in Kansas and Missouri

Equipment: Varian TrueBeam

Treatment planning system: Eclipse

EMR: Aria, Mosaiq

 

[w00tz]

Since my account appears to be undeleted, I will share this. Basically, the situation I’ve noticed is if you take the current map of where all the Covid cases are and look at the brightest red of the red spots… that’s where the only good jobs in Rad Onc are.


I am working with a clinic in Missouri/Kansas. They have 6 doctors in the group and each doctor gets 11 weeks of vacation per year. They need some doctors that can cover vacations. Details are below. Let me know if you are interested in helping.



Multiple worksites but will only cover one worksite each week.

Worksites are in Kansas and Missouri

Equipment: Varian TrueBeam

Treatment planning system: Eclipse

EMR: Aria, Mosaiq

What's the maternity leave like at this place?

 

[medgator]

Prob not churn n burn if they are offering a stipend until you take the job...

Searching for El Dorado (2023) in El Dorado, AR for Radiation Oncology Associates P.A.

Exciting opportunity in El Dorado, AR for Radiation Oncology Associates P.A. as a Searching for E...

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Searching for El Dorado (2023) in El Dorado, AR for Radiation Oncology Associates P.A.

Exciting opportunity in El Dorado, AR for Radiation Oncology Associates P.A. as a Searching for E...

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They reeeeeeally want someone. You can feel it soaking through the ad

 

[RSAOaky]

Searching for El Dorado (2023) in El Dorado, AR for Radiation Oncology Associates P.A.

Exciting opportunity in El Dorado, AR for Radiation Oncology Associates P.A. as a Searching for E...

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They reeeeeeally want someone. You can feel it soaking through the ad

Damn, only 2 hours outside of Little Rock and 1.5 hours outside of Shreveport.

 

[EffectiveZed]

Damn, only 2 hours outside of Little Rock and 1.5 hours outside of Shreveport.

Not only did they mention Shreveport, but they also pointed out the proximity to Monroe (home to Duck Dynasty). That is beyond sad.

 

[evilbooyaa]

Damn, only 2 hours outside of Little Rock and 1.5 hours outside of Shreveport.

You know it's bad when Shreveport is the 'metro' area that you're close to, lmao.

 

[OTN]

Yikes:

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[thecarbonionangle]

Yikes:

El Dorado, AR Homes for Sale

Search 75 homes for sale in El Dorado and book a home tour instantly with a Redfin agent. Updated every 5 minutes, get the latest on property info, market updates, and more.

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Im sure you can get yourself a beautiful double wide, just got to keep waiting as the market is very hot right now.

 

[Gfunk6]

Well you could buy the 280 acre plot and build a kick ass house . . .

The Three Creeks tract is just the right size for a family or group of friends to start a hunting camp and build a deer herd.

eh, never mind.

Also, when you have to (poorly) photoshop furniture into the home photos you know there are going to be problems.

Edit: In fairness, Zillow listings are far better.

El Dorado AR Real Estate - El Dorado AR Homes For Sale | Zillow

Zillow has 79 homes for sale in El Dorado AR. View listing photos, review sales history, and use our detailed real estate filters to find the perfect place.

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This house in particular kicks some serious ass - 3600 Calion Rd, El Dorado, AR 71730 | MLS #R86782 | Zillow

 

[OTN]

Well you could buy the 280 acre plot and build a kick ass house . . .



eh, never mind.

Also, when you have to (poorly) photoshop furniture into the home photos you know there are going to be problems.

Edit: In fairness, Zillow listings are far better.

El Dorado AR Real Estate - El Dorado AR Homes For Sale | Zillow

Zillow has 79 homes for sale in El Dorado AR. View listing photos, review sales history, and use our detailed real estate filters to find the perfect place.

www.zillow.com

This house in particular kicks some serious ass - 3600 Calion Rd, El Dorado, AR 71730 | MLS #R86782 | Zillow

I stand corrected, that is indeed a nice house.

Not going to lie, either, as a hunter that 280 acre tract isn’t looking too bad at all…

 

[Neuronix]

Add a 0 to all the house prices if they were in major metros (ignore the trailers and open land).

 

[RickyScott]

 

[medgator]

Add a 0 to all the house prices if they were in major metros (ignore the trailers and open land).

20 acres with a nice house for half a mill.

Man that's cheap

100 Corey Ln, El Dorado, AR 71730 | Zillow

100 Corey Ln, El Dorado AR, is a Single Family home that contains 4533 sq ft and was built in 2007.It contains 4 bedrooms and 4 bathrooms.This home last sold for $530,000 in September 2021. The Zestimate for this Single Family is $634,100, which has increased by $7,684 in the last 30 days.The...

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