Would you work in a small critical access hospital right out of residency ?

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I am a PGY-3 and currently in the process of looking for Hospitalist jobs. I have an offer from a Critical access Hospital (25 beds) for a typical 7 on 7 off schedule. It obiously pays considerably more than other hospitals in the area which is a plus because Im trying to address some financial burdens. I also like the fact that I will be the only inpatient Doctor on during the day so will have a lot of autonomy and decision making. The drawbacks are that all complicate dcases will be transferred, which I'm afraid being a new grad will lose that exposure (I will be staying on job for at least 3 years). Another worry is that after 3 years if I try to get a job into a bigger hospital will it be taken against me that I was working in a low acuity setting ? I am hoping to be a teaching hospitalist in the future (not in a big academic program but in some small community hospital with a residency). I am really not sure. What do you guys think? Did one of few take such a job right out of residency?

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I think you’re actually thinking too far ahead. If making money is your short term goal, I would try to achieve that first. Thinking/planning for three years out, isn’t all that practical. However, if staying in academics is your ultimate goal, then find a job that can help you with that……

There are plenty of jobs, you just have to look for them.

You’re correct, at a smaller hospital, most of your tough cases will be transferred out. You just don’t have the speciality coverage that’s needed to keep your sick patients. I worked at a place, only diagnostic cath, no GI coverage over the weekend. No intensivists. When I need to admit someone, all those things will need to be considered. It’s not how much you can do, it’s how much your other “colleagues” (np/pa’s) can handle when you’re not there.

Good luck.
 
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I am a PGY-3 and currently in the process of looking for Hospitalist jobs. I have an offer from a Critical access Hospital (25 beds) for a typical 7 on 7 off schedule. It obiously pays considerably more than other hospitals in the area which is a plus because Im trying to address some financial burdens. I also like the fact that I will be the only inpatient Doctor on during the day so will have a lot of autonomy and decision making. The drawbacks are that all complicate dcases will be transferred, which I'm afraid being a new grad will lose that exposure (I will be staying on job for at least 3 years). Another worry is that after 3 years if I try to get a job into a bigger hospital will it be taken against me that I was working in a low acuity setting ? I am hoping to be a teaching hospitalist in the future (not in a big academic program but in some small community hospital with a residency). I am really not sure. What do you guys think? Did one of few take such a job right out of residency?

Thank You
I did something similar and there are some things that you likely have not considered but should. First is the local culture--in a hospital that small there can be some very nasty local politics you are not privy to that will totally ruin your life. Second is the financial shape of the hospital--are they hurting and trying to run at capacity to the point where every transfer you initiate because you disagree with the ED will trigger an investigation where you are inevitably found at fault for losing the hospital money? No specialists puts a big burden on you because you have probably become accustomed to resources that might not exist there. Used to having pharmacy dose your vancomycin? Might not happen there. Inspiratory stridor and patient turning blue and ER doc is tied up, what then? Crushing chest pain with ST elevations and weather is prohibiting transport, have you ever dosed tpa before? New seizure workup on your own? Used to a nurse giving glucose and calling your for a blood sugar of 50 instead of giving lantus? Might not happen there.

Do they have surgery? How many post-op complications have you managed because the surgeons are probably going to be turfing everything to you.

The list goes on. It will probably go fine and there is no way to know without jsut doing it but if your primary goal is to optimize income you should become a 1099 firefighter locums unless you are angling for a massive loan repayment benefit with one of these places since the hourly compensation is essentially always going to be better as a locums.
 
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I am a PGY-3 and currently in the process of looking for Hospitalist jobs. I have an offer from a Critical access Hospital (25 beds) for a typical 7 on 7 off schedule. It obiously pays considerably more than other hospitals in the area which is a plus because Im trying to address some financial burdens. I also like the fact that I will be the only inpatient Doctor on during the day so will have a lot of autonomy and decision making. The drawbacks are that all complicate dcases will be transferred, which I'm afraid being a new grad will lose that exposure (I will be staying on job for at least 3 years). Another worry is that after 3 years if I try to get a job into a bigger hospital will it be taken against me that I was working in a low acuity setting ? I am hoping to be a teaching hospitalist in the future (not in a big academic program but in some small community hospital with a residency). I am really not sure. What do you guys think? Did one of few take such a job right out of residency?

Thank You
Might not be ideal coming straight out of residency, especially if you did residency at an academic medical center with support of nearly all the services/specialties. Find out how much support you get from other services, but it's often very little at critical access hospitals. You may have to be the de facto nephrologist, ID, cardiologist, pulm, GI etc... for all your patients so each patient will take more work so ideally your census would be a bit lower than other places. If your census will be near the full 25 beds each day with minimal support, those days will be busy. Nowadays, a reasonable number should be closer to 20 patients for a 12 hr shift (and that's at a facility with nearly full support of other specialties as well as ancillary support like pharmacy or CM). Not to mention you'll be taking on a lot more liability being the only inpatient doctor there. They should really have to pay your a large premium to make it worthwhile at least financially.
 
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i moonlight at a critical care place and it's 99% in the triage to ensure good outcomes. If you can turf it (eg we have no major specialties other than gen surg) you gotta turf it even if you could handle it. If there's a hint they need something like dialysis or need a consultant for which we don't have (eg neuro, cards) I refuse admission and make the ER find it elsewhere. Don't let patients you aren't comfortable managing get to the floor in the first place. That will alleviate most of your concerns.

so I usually end up with 40ish pretty stable patients (covid, chf, pneumonia, dka, etc) and can knock it out pretty easily between myself adn the NP./
 
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i moonlight at a critical care place and it's 99% in the triage to ensure good outcomes. If you can turf it (eg we have no major specialties other than gen surg) you gotta turf it even if you could handle it. If there's a hint they need something like dialysis or need a consultant for which we don't have (eg neuro, cards) I refuse admission and make the ER find it elsewhere. Don't let patients you aren't comfortable managing get to the floor in the first place. That will alleviate most of your concerns.

so I usually end up with 40ish pretty stable patients (covid, chf, pneumonia, dka, etc) and can knock it out pretty easily between myself adn the NP./
Bro you see 40 patients in a day?
 
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Hope you’re getting paid for the co signs
ya of course, otherwise I would just moonlight elsewhere lol :)

would rather get crushed and make ~3k/day than chill and make 1.5k/day. I'm only there for 1-3 day stretches, so money matters more than lifestyle at this particular gig.
 
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you can always start out locums if you want. then you will definitely get access to smaller hospitals
 
ya of course, otherwise I would just moonlight elsewhere lol :)

would rather get crushed and make ~3k/day than chill and make 1.5k/day. I'm only there for 1-3 day stretches, so money matters more than lifestyle at this particular gig.
One can make the case that it's worth ( > 500k for 182 days of work).
 
a little bit of a necro bump, I (a pharmacist) had my first job at a rural critical access hospital - and some points from my point of view.
1. We only had pharmacists (acutally pharmacist - just me) onsite 40 hours a week - so obvious issues with that. So no double checking of doses after hours, or renal dosing, etc. The guy before me got fired, and this was in one of the hardest to staff areas in the midwest - so you just don't attract the best canddiates (I was right out of school and still learning)
2. No pyxis machines, RN's just pulled meds from a sears toolbox, or went to the pharmacy - and pulled meds- many times the wrong ones.
3. Most of the non-physician employees grew up in said town - they might have been well intentioned, but they weren't the most up on the newest literature/info if you know what I mean. See #1 about attracting quality employees.
4. No specialist available for inpatients.
5. Many of these types of towns are not for everybody - actually not for most people, mine was a dirt poor meth infested town with 3 meth house explosions in the one year I was there (town had 5,000 people). Depending on the person, often many of the towns down always like outsiders, although being a doctor, you usually get a pass on this one.
6. We had 6 doctors in town, four were related, 4 were all over the age of 65. They were nice, but I wouldn't trust the four older ones to take care of most people - they were just so out of touch with updated guidelines. The two younger ones left after only a couple of years for a bigger city.
7. When **** hits the fan, it hits the fan, like when we had dueling codes in the ED with one doc, or 3 traumas show up at once in a four room ED.

I am glad I worked there- but it was only a little over a year and moved on to a typical tertiary care center in an urban area
 
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I did something similar and there are some things that you likely have not considered but should. First is the local culture--in a hospital that small there can be some very nasty local politics you are not privy to that will totally ruin your life. Second is the financial shape of the hospital--are they hurting and trying to run at capacity to the point where every transfer you initiate because you disagree with the ED will trigger an investigation where you are inevitably found at fault for losing the hospital money? No specialists puts a big burden on you because you have probably become accustomed to resources that might not exist there. Used to having pharmacy dose your vancomycin? Might not happen there. Inspiratory stridor and patient turning blue and ER doc is tied up, what then? Crushing chest pain with ST elevations and weather is prohibiting transport, have you ever dosed tpa before? New seizure workup on your own? Used to a nurse giving glucose and calling your for a blood sugar of 50 instead of giving lantus? Might not happen there.

Do they have surgery? How many post-op complications have you managed because the surgeons are probably going to be turfing everything to you.

The list goes on. It will probably go fine and there is no way to know without jsut doing it but if your primary goal is to optimize income you should become a 1099 firefighter locums unless you are angling for a massive loan repayment benefit with one of these places since the hourly compensation is essentially always going to be better as a locums.
Imo it's best to avoid jobs like this early in your career (unless it's a place you intend on staying long term) for the reasons chessknt said. You can end up in a high liability, high exposure environment and picking up a few lawsuits early on can make it that much harder to find the next job (or fellowship).

For me the ideal first job is either at a VA or a university hospital.
 
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a little bit of a necro bump, I (a pharmacist) had my first job at a rural critical access hospital - and some points from my point of view.
1. We only had pharmacists (acutally pharmacist - just me) onsite 40 hours a week - so obvious issues with that. So no double checking of doses after hours, or renal dosing, etc. The guy before me got fired, and this was in one of the hardest to staff areas in the midwest - so you just don't attract the best canddiates (I was right out of school and still learning)
2. No pyxis machines, RN's just pulled meds from a sears toolbox, or went to the pharmacy - and pulled meds- many times the wrong ones.
3. Most of the non-physician employees grew up in said town - they might have been well intentioned, but they weren't the most up on the newest literature/info if you know what I mean. See #1 about attracting quality employees.
4. No specialist available for inpatients.
5. Many of these types of towns are not for everybody - actually not for most people, mine was a dirt poor meth infested town with 3 meth house explosions in the one year I was there (town had 5,000 people). Depending on the person, often many of the towns down always like outsiders, although being a doctor, you usually get a pass on this one.
6. We had 6 doctors in town, four were related, 4 were all over the age of 65. They were nice, but I wouldn't trust the four older ones to take care of most people - they were just so out of touch with updated guidelines. The two younger ones left after only a couple of years for a bigger city.
7. When **** hits the fan, it hits the fan, like when we had dueling codes in the ED with one doc, or 3 traumas show up at once in a four room ED.

I am glad I worked there- but it was only a little over a year and moved on to a typical tertiary care center in an urban area
As a rheumatologist who moved from the urban Midwest to work in PP in the semi-rural south, I can echo a lot of what you experienced. I see a lot of things on a day to day basis that may be pretty surprising if you’re coming from typical large urban areas:

- Do not expect your colleagues to be members of the medical A-team. Your colleagues may have had board actions against them, may be in the state PHP for drug and alcohol abuse, etc. I totally agree that you don’t attract the best candidates in these areas…which leads to my next point:

- The quality of medicine you see practiced may range from simply “behind the times” to “shockingly incompetent”. For instance, in my specialty on a regular basis I see cowboy PCPs starting methotrexate without folic acid in patients who have never had hep screenings or a CBC; people who are talking two benzos at once for unclear reasons, with a cocktail of opioids, stimulants, and other controlled substances to boot; and on and on and on. Even as a specialist you will clean up weird messes of basic medicine that never, ever should have happened. If myself or my family fell ill, there are very few local docs I would trust my family to see. If you have to refer your own patients to other specialists, you might not find any you can trust. This leads to the next issue, which is:

- If you’re “too good” of a doctor by the local standards, some of the less competent colleagues around you may feel intimidated - and they may start inventing weird reasons as to why you “don’t belong there”, (no joke, I’ve seen it happen). If an actual good physician ends up in these locales, they often don’t last long before moving on - and sometimes they literally get run out of town by local providers who don’t want superior competition.

- Agree that weird local hospital politics is an issue too. In my town, the local hospital system has had a longstanding and stupid “Cold War” with my multispecialty practice over completely pointless things…as a new doc I’m basically expected give a damn about this weird conflict that I don’t care about at all, and support our side in this thing. It’s really pointless.

- Agree that the “talent pool” for local office staff is simply awful. MAs, nurses, and other staff often don’t have the greatest work ethic, aren’t well trained, etc etc.

- As stated above, don’t expect the locals to necessarily be super happy about you as an “outsider” being there…but they’ll usually give you a pass for this as a doctor because they realize that it’s hard to draw doctors to town.

The pay is better in rural areas but there’s a lot of drawbacks.
 
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My first job was a critical access hospital. 16 beds, never full. I worked 8a-4p, on phone call until 8pm, kind of a M-F schedule. ED doc did 24h shifts and admitted night pts until I could see them in AM for full H & P. Only cardiology and general surgery available, and even then you had to notify them early to make sure they werent across town. Everything else was transferred out, ED and hospitalist collaborated to repsond to codes. If patients developed new issues while admitted, often you could call a local consult for an informal input (basically to see if it could be handled outpt or inpt), but otherwise pt would need to be transferred out a sister hospital 20 mins or 45 mins away. It was an interesting experience, there was only me and like 3 nurses on the floor, so we were a tight knit group, better relationship with the ED doc as we were essentially colleagues, and the nurses seemed more comfortable with sicker patients. Town itself was very small- one pharmacy, one school, one major store, only a couple major restaurants, few stoplights, etc. All in all though, Im glad I did it.
 
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