What's wrong with Rand Paul?
What's wrong with Rand Paul?
My issue with rand Paul, despite all the rhetoric, is that he is supposedly reactive to the needs of his poorer citizens(in terms of getting them plugged in to public dollars) in his district....it's one thing to talk a big limited spending game on the national stage, but then when you start opening my wallet to fund your voters....well that's not good.
the femimale psychs.
Wanting "the most freedom for everyone" with the caveat "as long as it doesn't bother me" is right up there with having your choice of any color car as long as it's black. Might want to read up a lot more about Libertarianism before you start throwing the label around...vistaril said:I respect that stance, but I'm more of a libertarian... Do your own thing and as long as it doesn't bother me it's cool is my motto... The most freedom for everybody is what I want
isn't interested in freedom, liberty, etc....they are interested in control and restricting choice and freedom. Not good things IMOIMO
Im sure seeing couples in loving relationships is hard for you, yes.
Can we please not turn this forum into a therapy session?
The views Vistaril is espousing in this thread are common in the general population. So why do they bother so many on this forum?
Congratulations. This thread has perpetuated the stereotype of the crazy psychiatrist.
I think you guys are unfairly ganging up on Vistaril. I think it's questionable behavior for one member to announce they've found another member's identity, and then for a bunch of people to jump on how that person has characterized themselves, without at the same time revealing an equal amount of information about their own identities.
People lie on the internet all the time. Its common practice! I have lied about specifics of my education and training on this forum, so that I can complain about med school and residency without risking being found out. From now on I think I will be more careful though, since I wouldn't want to end up being "blackballed" one day somewhere in the real world because people here don't agree with my views.
When I read anyone's post here, if they offer alleged "details" about their whereabouts etc, I assume they're false. I don't consider that "lying" - and certainly not lying on the level of falsifying military service! Anyone who has even heard of "match.com" let alone "craigslist" knows that people lie about themselves ALL the TIME on the internet. If you guys are coming here expecting forthright candor right down to identifying features then you are all just weird.
The views Vistaril is espousing in this thread are common in the general population. So why do they bother so many on this forum?? Vistaril's claim doesn't bother me, not really, even if I don't agree with all of it. He states his views calmly and never claims that the rest of you need agree. Now that post by "Tris" up above, that was creepy. We can always get more of that around here if people don't like vistaril's version of dissent.
Could it just be that there is some truth to Vistaril's characterization of psychiatrists as being a rather emasculated lot? If it's true it probably describes any number of modern day American white collar professionals.
In my view, even many of the women in psychiatry line up on the feeble, weak, overly agreeable end of the human spectrum. There's inherently a reason all these people chose careers where we sit around and listen to sob stories and offer people Kleenex. So what's the issue?
And why does it bother people so much that Vistaril criticizes psychiatry? Is criticism not tolerated in psychiatry? Is that the issue?
Vistaril represented himself as having more and better training in order to give more credence to his arguments. That isn't lying for anonymity. It's disrespectful to us and insecure for himself.I think you guys are unfairly ganging up on Vistaril. I think it's questionable behavior for one member to announce they've found another member's identity, and then for a bunch of people to jump on how that person has characterized themselves, without at the same time revealing an equal amount of information about their own identities.
People lie on the internet all the time. Its common practice!
What's wrong with Rand Paul?
This thread has officially followed the Vistaril arc to a tee: big provocative announcement to raise the ire of a large part of the readership (male psychiatrists and their lack of masculinity), his defense in which he basically raises the ire of others (women and their place), offhandedly comments to provoke other smaller groups (homosexuals, Indians, etc), then the thread always manages to winnow down to Vistaril's integrity (sic), politics, and all the rest. Hitler didn't get brought up yet (score!), but I am done playing my part in this little piece of drama. Against my better judgment again, dammit! Signing off humbled...
Well most guys in a marriage still in the prime of their life want to have a frequent and satisfying sexual relationship with their wife, for example. Look yo the nyt article/study just 6 or so months ago that made headlines- the gist is that domestic servitude makes a guy undesirable in the eyes and loins of his woman. For all your ranting, I am confident all these blue pill guys vacuuming aren't real happy to know that their wife doesn't respect them and doesn't want to sleep with them.
Wanting "the most freedom for everyone" with the caveat "as long as it doesn't bother me" is right up there with having your choice of any color car as long as it's black. Might want to read up a lot more about Libertarianism before you start throwing the label around...
I know expecting people to read correctly is silly on an internet forum, but I never threatened to out him, would NOT out him, and have been plenty open about where I am. NDY pointed out previously why some of us think his lying was particularly crap.
Because he is a practicing mental health physician, and I worry that some of his more extreme views: 1.) are simply in-congruent with some of the more essential elements of this profession (e.g., accurate empathy, cultural competence and sensitivity, establishing intimate interpersonal relationships). 2.) could easily spill over into his clinical work and clinical judgment/decision making, thus hurting patients.
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Just because you don't agree with something doesn't mean it is extreme. My supposedly more extreme views on some of these matters are actually pretty much middle of the road(some would even say too liberal or leftist)when viewed outside of this bubble....
That doesn't really addres the concerns I expressed though, right? Cultural sensitivity, empathic abilities, etc.
You gotta find out the best strip clubs from somebody. May as well be patients. Amirite?I guess not...but I'm not sure where you are getting the empathic ability or cultural sensitivity deficits from. The staff where I work a few days a week now are always commenting on how I'm spending so much more time per pt than the last person they brought in-I tell them that is empathy time
You gotta find out the best strip clubs from somebody. May as well be patients. Amirite?
I guess not...but I'm not sure where you are getting the empathic ability or cultural sensitivity deficits from. The staff where I work a few days a week now are always commenting on how I'm spending so much more time per pt than the last person they brought in-I tell them that is empathy time
Men who are obsessed with manliness tend to be the biggest losers out there. A real man doesn't give a ****. That you are so obsessed with masculinity shows that you have some serious insecurity relating to your own manliness, like you're out to prove something or whatever. You think roughnecks and construction workers sit around pontificating about their own manliness?Being a real man is more about mindset and approach than anything else. No idea if you can out arm wrestle me(I actually don't track down/look up personal info and pics of other posters in forums like this but to each their own), but if we actually did arm wrestle and I was beaten, it would be shameful and I would work to improve on that. That's what made the original comment from a coworker I noted so shameful- not simply that his young daughter could out arm wrestle him, but that he thinks it is cute and can talk openly about it with relative strangers. That is the terrible part.
Right now I'm working 60 percent in mental health and 40 percent pursuing my passion of home remodeling, repairing property, and then real estate secondary to those things......it's going to take a heck of a lot of work to succeed in the property business because it's incredibly competitive, but being around men who act like men is the biggest difference by far between the two.
I actually appreciate that v did make a big point of protecting how much time he would be able to spend with patients in his job negotiations, and as I remember he took a decent pay cut for it. And yeah, that doesn't guarantee anything, but it probably means something.Your post history. And why are you equating time per patient with a skill competencey like accurate empathy? That doesn't even make sense?
I actually appreciate that v did make a big point of protecting how much time he would be able to spend with patients in his job negotiations, and as I remember he took a decent pay cut for it. And yeah, that doesn't guarantee anything, but it probably means something.
Because he is a practicing mental health physician, and I worry that some of his more extreme views: 1.) are simply in-congruent with some of the more essential elements of this profession (e.g., accurate empathy, cultural competence and sensitivity, establishing intimate interpersonal relationships). 2.) could easily spill over into his clinical work and clinical judgment/decision making, thus hurting patients.
Lastly, I really don't care if it is common in the general population or not. I generally feel morally obligated to stand against/counter opinion that is likely to cause social injustice. This is how I was raised in my community. This is how I raise my children.
I do agree that he maintains composure when presenting is opinions. I alos agree that one can have some pretty extreme opinions and have it not impact their clinical work. I do not feel confident that V has the insightfullness or training to do this, however.
... and then for a bunch of people to jump on how that person has characterized themselves, without at the same time revealing an equal amount of information about their own identities.
People lie on the internet all the time. Its common practice!
When I read anyone's post here, if they offer alleged "details" about their whereabouts etc, I assume they're false. If you guys are coming here expecting forthright candor right down to identifying features then you are all just weird.
Well sure, but most cities my size only have a few different places....they are also heavily racially segregated. White guys go to the furnace or Sammy's and black guys/girls go to some other places on the north side
Atlanta is where the much better places are, but that is over 2 hours away
I'm not a mainstream conservative, and regard mainstream social conservatives as naive and ineffectual at best. You probably have a whole host of incorrect assumptions about me. I don't think homosexuality is an illness in the conventional sense, nor do I have any particular reason to think it can be cured or prevented. My position is not that we should seek to eradicate homosexuality, but simply that homosexuality should be kept "in the closet" as it used to be. If that means homosexuals aren't quite happy, oh well, sucks to be them.
I should know better than to reply but it does irk me that there are psychiatrists who would argue this nonsense. There are still vast swathes of this country where homosexuality is as you put it largely "in the closet" and there are many men who continue to live on the DL. They tend to be at higher risk of mood and anxiety disorder, substance use disorders, and sexually transmitted diseases, especially HIV and syphilis. Those gay men who stay "in the closet" as it were tend to do engage in more risky sexual behaviors and less likely to seek testing for STDs etc. Also those areas where the ratio of syphilis cases for M:F is closer together tend to be areas where more men are "in the closet" and thus giving syphilis to their wives and girlfriends - see Hamilton County, OH, Bexar County, TX, Tarrant County, TX, and Hilsborough County, FL - which have the very similar numbers of men and women with syphilis and also tend to have a lot of anti-gay sentiment. The latter for example banned gay pride several years ago.
"aren't quite happy" - doesn't come close. There are people so tortured about their sexual orientation they just want to die, they experience significant self-loathing, isolation, aloneness and pain which often leads to the kind of risk behaviors that people who don't care about themselves develop. Most of my patients are gay and keeping homosexuality "in the closet" is what cultivated this sense of otherness they have that is often related to much of the psychopathology I see.
Plus even the idea that monogamy is superior to the alternative (strip clubs, playing the field, etc.) is a reflection of current American culture. 40 years ago you guys would have been scorning monogamy and promoting "free love," and Vistaril would have been bemoaning the death of the institution of marriage.
Regarding stopping what you believe to be social injustice, do you feel that only people who share your views about what is socially just should be trusted to provide mental health?
In your view, for example, could a female Muslim who dresses fully covered in abaya and headscarf and is openly conservative in her social views be trusted to provide empathic, competent mental health care at a place like the VA?
As far as ensuring that Vistaril or anyone else here is clinically competent, don't you think that's the job of residency programs, the ABPN and state medical boards?
I actually appreciate that v did make a big point of protecting how much time he would be able to spend with patients in his job negotiations, and as I remember he took a decent pay cut for it. And yeah, that doesn't guarantee anything, but it probably means something.
People lie on the internet all the time. Its common practice! I have lied about specifics of my education and training on this forum, so that I can complain about med school and residency without risking being found out. From now on I think I will be more careful though, since I wouldn't want to end up being "blackballed" one day somewhere in the real world because people here don't agree with my views.
When I read anyone's post here, if they offer alleged "details" about their whereabouts etc, I assume they're false. I don't consider that "lying" - and certainly not lying on the level of falsifying military service! Anyone who has even heard of "match.com" let alone "craigslist" knows that people lie about themselves ALL the TIME on the internet. If you guys are coming here expecting forthright candor right down to identifying features then you are all just weird.
"aren't quite happy" - doesn't come close. There are people so tortured about their sexual orientation they just want to die, they experience significant self-loathing, isolation, aloneness and pain which often leads to the kind of risk behaviors that people who don't care about themselves develop. Most of my patients are gay and keeping homosexuality "in the closet" is what cultivated this sense of otherness they have that is often related to much of the psychopathology I see.
I just want to chime in and say that coming out of the closet was easily the most freeing, best things I've ever done for my own mental health. While I was in the closet I had severe anxiety, lost all self worth, and was suicidal. I don't like to talk about that much but it just pisses me off that anyone who is involved in mental health could suggest it's better to be in the closet and that gays in the closet are just a little bit unhappy. That's bullshet.
"Real men" post identifying information on ananoymous Internet forums.
That's actually somewhat related to the primary theory on how wolves evolved into dogs. They developed pleasing behaviors that were less likely to frighten humans, so as to be able to live near civilizations. It's why they're so good at sitting around a kitchen table waiting for a scrap to fall. It's very cute when you think about it.the shift in job responsibilities is the reason there is a change in personalities in medicine
in the past, medicine was more autonomous. this attracted strong leaders.
now, we're all just a cog in the healthcare juggernaut. it is beneficial to be a weaker don't ask questions type of person.