What is the starting salary for a podiatrist right out of residency (1- 3years)?

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Windom Earle said:
So who actually sets these hours? Can I just decide to work 60 hours a week to earn more money?

Also, is there a direct correlation throughout all the salary ranges between working more hours and making more money as a podiatrist? Will someone working 50 hrs a week definitely make more than 40 hours a week? It seems like an obvious question, but I'm a numbers and surveys kind of guy.
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Highest salaries are for hospital employed podiatrists or those with ownership in a group (whether pod only or multispecialty).

While hospital employees averaged 47.1 hours/week they only averaged 88.6 patients per week and had an average salary of 230K. Whereas those with ownership in a multispecialty group averaged 48.2 hours per week (not much difference obviously) but in that time averaged 136 patients per week and had an average salary of 353K.

So practice type and number of patients per week seems to correlate better with income than hours per week. Which is along the lines of what others have said.
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bobtheweazel said:
Highest salaries are for hospital employed podiatrists or those with ownership in a group (whether pod only or multispecialty).

While hospital employees averaged 47.1 hours/week they only averaged 88.6 patients per week and had an average salary of 230K. Whereas those with ownership in a multispecialty group averaged 48.2 hours per week (not much difference obviously) but in that time averaged 136 patients per week and had an average salary of 353K.

So practice type and number of patients per week seems to correlate better with income than hours per week. Which is along the lines of what others have said.
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Wow.

Do you have a source on that? I'd love to see more.
 
Windom Earle said:
Wow.

Do you have a source on that? I'd love to see more.
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That's all in the most recent APMA Young Physicians' Survey. Like I said there's a ton more data in there as well.

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Did you post that somewhere? I'm looking at your old posts but can't seem to find those numbers
 
Windom Earle said:
Did you post that somewhere? I'm looking at your old posts but can't seem to find those numbers
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I'm not gonna post the entire 100+ page survey on here.

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I'm not gonna post the entire 100+ page survey on here.

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I'm not asking for the entire survey by any means. You claimed that hospital employees average 47.1 hours/week and see on avg 88.6 patients per week and had an average salary of 230K.

And those in a multispecialty group averaged 48.2 hours per week , saw 136 patients per week and had an average salary of 353K.

Are those numbers really that scattered in the actual survey?
 
Call me ambitious but I wholeheartedly believe a 350-400K salary is reasonable 3-4 years out. Even with an RVU bonus structure, if you are seeing 30-40 pts a day with 3-4 cases a week I think that number is almost guaranteed if you are generating the practice 800k-1.1 Mil.
 
I find this entire post almost amusing. There are so many variables that you can’t start counting your money now. You may do a great residency, you may not. You may be a gifted and talented surgeon, you may not. You may get a great offer with a hospital. You may not. You may get a great opportunity to become a partner in a multi specialty group. You may not. And the list goes on and on and on.

Things are changing on the horizon. As I’ve stated before, big brother is watching. If a patient goes to Dr. Ivana Billalot with heel pain and ends up with 6 xray views, 3 ultrasound studies, vascular studies (just to make sure it’s not claudication pain!), an injection, custom orthoses, a night splint, some in office PT, a tube of Biofreeze and some expensive topical compounded meds all on the first visit , and another patient goes to Dr. Kenny Doitright who straps the foot and tells the patient how to stretch, use ice and buy a quality OTC insert......the insurance WILL notice. The mentality of do more and get more will be a dinosaur. It will be based on expense vs outcomes.

Elective surgery is headed down the same path. Those of you who perform a lot of elective surgery will attest to the fact that more and more cases are requiring pre authorization. They simply don’t want to pay for non urgent elective surgery. They WILL weed out those abusing the system and it’s long overdue.

Forget about all these surveys. The data going out is only as good as the data going in. I know former residents who have participated in surveys and have greatly exaggerated their numbers. Unless these surveys are looking at financials, they are invalid in my opinion.

Maybe that’s why the numbers never jive. Don’t forget that the National avg for DPMs is supposed to be around $135,000.

Things are not all rosy. Some of you will scrape by and some will make a fantastic living. Some of it is within your control and some is not. Work hard, do well and remain ethical and you will do fine.

Just don’t start counting your money yet. I’ve seen too many young docs go down that road only to be disappointed. Take one day at a time and maintain your integrity. And hopefully you’ll be happy with your income and it will meet your expectations.
 
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ExperiencedDPM said:
Forget about all these surveys. The data going out is only as good as the data going in. I know former residents who have participated in surveys and have greatly exaggerated their numbers. Unless these surveys are looking at financials, they are invalid in my opinion.
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No argument about everything else you said but I do believe that surveys are a better source of information than any anecdotes from anybody. Even somebody who may intimately know the financials of dozens of other pods wouldn't stack up to a survey of hundreds.

The APMA survey that I quoted from above specifically excluded residents and pods in fellowships.

But yes, even that survey makes it clear that a not insignificant portion of pods within their first 10 years out were still making under 100K/year, though obviously many made considerably more.

And I don't know about an average of 135K. The lowest I've seen is BLS which reports a mean for podiatrists of about 144K, though I can't trust them because they also report a mean for "physicians and surgeons" of 206K which is obviously absurd when you look at absolutely every other physician survey and see that primary care physicians average a little over 200K and specialists average over 300K. They also put dentist mean salary at 170K though ADA reports that the mean salary for general dentistry is 180K and for dental specialists is 320K. So there's no way in my opinion to trust the BLS surveys, if that's where you got the 135K, because whatever their methods they seem to always come out as the lowest outlier.
 
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The bottom line is too many of the young docs in training on this site are obsessed with what they MAY make in the future. This isn’t main stream medicine where it’s pretty much a given that a starting anesthesiologist is going to make around 300k. Their numbers are relatively consistent. Unfortunately that’s not true in podiatry where numbers are all over the spectrum.

Unlike allopathic medicine, it’s more of a crap shoot. And they need to realize that fact.
 
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I mean, I don’t think it’s unreasonable to want a sound answer on money when you as a pod are going 300k at 7% interest and 7 years in debt. That’s why students are obsessed with money.

That’s why it is frustrating for pre pods to hear “all depends on lots of things” when other avenues of Medicine and dentistry give clear cut answers. In fact, every health care field gives a clear monetary breakdown except podiatry and maybe The midlevels.


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The bottom line is too many of the young docs in training on this site are obsessed with what they MAY make in the future. This isn’t main stream medicine where it’s pretty much a given that a starting anesthesiologist is going to make around 300k. Their numbers are relatively consistent. Unfortunately that’s not true in podiatry where numbers are all over the spectrum.

Unlike allopathic medicine, it’s more of a crap shoot. And they need to realize that fact.
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What would be an example of a “bad job”

What would be an example of an “average” or “ok” job?

Keep pushing and don’t give up. The people enter school and graduating are going to stand on the shoulders of the people entering now. The people practicing right now literally have the power to steer the profession into a brighter future, or you can let the wind take you wherever and end up shipwrecked.

Ankle Breaker said:
You need to try and find a high quality podiatry job and understand the process and what it takes to find a “good” job in this profession.

I was lucky to find a good paying job but I hate it because my state scope and politics with my hospital. But I don’t cry too much because at least I’m Making a good living and putting some money away for a rainy day.

I have many friends that did great residencies that took bad jobs because it’s very difficult to find good ones. They make bad money and are not in positions where they are utilizing their skill set. It’s the worst of both worlds. You think they saw that coming? It’s not like theu are not intelligent and don’t have good training.

Try looking for a job and experiencing what it takes to find a “good” job that meets all your standards. Then you will understand why salaries are all over the spectrum and you can’t get a handle on what “realistic salaries” are for podiatry. Truth is they are still all over the spectrum.

I’m looking for another job but every job I apply for has 50 other applicants.

You think you are going to get the job over me? At least I have work experience and surgical experience compared to you who doesn’t know crap from crisco and doesn’t even know how to bill...you see where I’m going with this?

These are things they don’t tell you in podiatry school.

If I knew there would be such a scramble to find quality jobs in this profession I would have done everything in my power to get into DO med school.

There are plenty of jobs to be had. There is TFP on every street corner willing to sell you their practice for a way over valued price.

But if you are looking for guarantees. Gauranteed salary, gauranteed job satisfaction, gauranteed positive politics towards the podiatry profession...you won’t find any.

I’m going to keep going with this rant...

For every token DPM that proclaims they have the perfect job (good salary, respect, practice to the full extent of their training) I can probably find you 100+ other DPMs or more who hate their jobs and don’t have jobs that meet any of that criteria.

I’m going to keep going...

I think the idea of fellowship training is completely overblown by ACFAS. It only helps you find a job if you there are opportunities within your fellowship directors “network of buddies”. Outside of that there are no perks to it. If you do a fellowship you better damn go somewhere where you can actually use your skills or get a job where they (Ortho) will allow it. If they have a problem then it doesn’t matter who’s fellowship you did...you won’t be doing those fancy procedures.

AOFAS is making a huge push to discredit our profession. The general public is buying it. You ever join the total ankle replacement or charcot Facebook groups? I’m in those. There are snide comments about podiatrists throughout these webpages from the general public. We are fighting an uphill battle ladies and gents. Is it getting better? Yes but all these external factors influence your acceptance into the medical community and public community at large.

All These external factors are the driving influences on the job market in my opinion.

Let’s see what else...

I’m out of material for now
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Ankle Breaker said:
You need to try and find a high quality podiatry job and understand the process and what it takes to find a “good” job in this profession.

I was lucky to find a good paying job but I hate it because my state scope and politics with my hospital. But I don’t cry too much because at least I’m Making a good living and putting some money away for a rainy day.

I have many friends that did great residencies that took bad jobs because it’s very difficult to find good ones. They make bad money and are not in positions where they are utilizing their skill set. It’s the worst of both worlds. You think they saw that coming? It’s not like theu are not intelligent and don’t have good training.

Try looking for a job and experiencing what it takes to find a “good” job that meets all your standards. Then you will understand why salaries are all over the spectrum and you can’t get a handle on what “realistic salaries” are for podiatry. Truth is they are still all over the spectrum.

I’m looking for another job but every job I apply for has 50 other applicants.

You think you are going to get the job over me? At least I have work experience and surgical experience compared to you who doesn’t know crap from crisco and doesn’t even know how to bill...you see where I’m going with this?

These are things they don’t tell you in podiatry school.

If I knew there would be such a scramble to find quality jobs in this profession I would have done everything in my power to get into DO med school.

There are plenty of jobs to be had. There is TFP on every street corner willing to sell you their practice for a way over valued price.

But if you are looking for guarantees. Gauranteed salary, gauranteed job satisfaction, gauranteed positive politics towards the podiatry profession...you won’t find any.

I’m going to keep going with this rant...

For every token DPM that proclaims they have the perfect job (good salary, respect, practice to the full extent of their training) I can probably find you 100+ other DPMs or more who hate their jobs and don’t have jobs that meet any of that criteria.

I’m going to keep going...

I think the idea of fellowship training is completely overblown by ACFAS. It only helps you find a job if you there are opportunities within your fellowship directors “network of buddies”. Outside of that there are no perks to it. If you do a fellowship you better damn go somewhere where you can actually use your skills or get a job where they (Ortho) will allow it. If they have a problem then it doesn’t matter who’s fellowship you did...you won’t be doing those fancy procedures.

AOFAS is making a huge push to discredit our profession. The general public is buying it. You ever join the total ankle replacement or charcot Facebook groups? I’m in those. There are snide comments about podiatrists throughout these webpages from the general public. We are fighting an uphill battle ladies and gents. Is it getting better? Yes but all these external factors influence your acceptance into the medical community and public community at large.

All These external factors are the driving influences on the job market in my opinion.

Let’s see what else...

I’m out of material for now
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ExperiencedDPM said:
The bottom line is too many of the young docs in training on this site are obsessed with what they MAY make in the future. This isn’t main stream medicine where it’s pretty much a given that a starting anesthesiologist is going to make around 300k. Their numbers are relatively consistent. Unfortunately that’s not true in podiatry where numbers are all over the spectrum.

Unlike allopathic medicine, it’s more of a crap shoot. And they need to realize that fact.
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Are start ups nearly impossible to take off, mainly in a rural area? And not just concerning start ups, but is there a difference in jobs if youre wanting to live in a more rural/blue collar town, or are your experiences with job scrambling nationwide and it doesnt matter where you want to live or work?
 
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The surveys are crap.

Hospital/MSG = 200-225k a year for 2 years and RVU bonus. Some match 401k up to Max (mine does) but assume match up to maybe 5 to 8%. Free health care free dental and maybe disability too. I pay for my short term as non stock holder but gets paid when I become stockholder.

PP = maybe 100 base and then some version of 30 percent of collections above 3x salary. No benefits.


So you live where you want to live and do PP or you go to the job and do hospital/msg.

Sometimes you get lucky and can get a hospital job where you want to live...
 
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Do you think there is a demand for podiatrists right now, or is it getting to the optometry point where there are more graduates than job openings?

Nothing can be as bad as pharmacy right now tho, saturationwise.

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The surveys are crap.

Hospital/MSG = 200-225k a year for 2 years and RVU bonus. Some match 401k up to Max (mine does) but assume match up to maybe 5 to 8%. Free health care free dental and maybe disability too. I pay for my short term as non stock holder but gets paid when I become stockholder.

PP = maybe 100 base and then some version of 30 percent of collections above 3x salary. No benefits.


So you live where you want to live and do PP or you go to the job and do hospital/msg.

Sometimes you get lucky and can get a hospital job where you want to live...
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GypsyHummus said:
Do you think there is a demand for podiatrists right now, or is it getting to the optometry point where there are more graduates than job openings?

Nothing can be as bad as pharmacy right now tho, saturationwise.
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Finding a job as a podiatrist right out of residency isn't that difficult. The only time I think it may be difficult is if you're looking in a very specific region and you're unwilling to expand your search.

It's also easier to find a job around where you do your residency (as you have already networked). My co-resident was looking in the same are that we are doing our residency. This person had multiple offers very quickly. For someone who wants to look elsewhere, like me, it may take a little more work, but it's do-able. I had a couple job offers and the job that I am going to accept didn't take me too long to find. It's also in the area where my partner and I wanted to live.

Keep in mind that not everyone is going to have the same experience as my co-resident and I. We also treated searching for a job like a job itself. All of our down time we were searching and sending out our CV's. This wasn't difficult, though. Just required dedication.

So to answer your question: Yes, there is demand. However, jobs don't always just fall on your lap.
 
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My understanding is that corporate dentist jobs are plentiful, but they work u hard and pay you little (around 120k pretax)

The dental school debt is astronomical. Look at the private institutions like AT Still in Arizona. It’s something like 115k per YEAR. YOU WILL BE 450k in debt after 4 years, and that’s not including tuition.

Podiatry, for all its faults, it looks like you can squeeze out of school with a little under 300k, making it financially feasible.

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isn't dentistry the worst for saturation and income/debt ratio?
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Ankle Breaker said:
You need to try and find a high quality podiatry job and understand the process and what it takes to find a “good” job in this profession.

I was lucky to find a good paying job but I hate it because my state scope and politics with my hospital. But I don’t cry too much because at least I’m Making a good living and putting some money away for a rainy day.

I have many friends that did great residencies that took bad jobs because it’s very difficult to find good ones. They make bad money and are not in positions where they are utilizing their skill set. It’s the worst of both worlds. You think they saw that coming? It’s not like theu are not intelligent and don’t have good training.

Try looking for a job and experiencing what it takes to find a “good” job that meets all your standards. Then you will understand why salaries are all over the spectrum and you can’t get a handle on what “realistic salaries” are for podiatry. Truth is they are still all over the spectrum.

I’m looking for another job but every job I apply for has 50 other applicants.

You think you are going to get the job over me? At least I have work experience and surgical experience compared to you who doesn’t know crap from crisco and doesn’t even know how to bill...you see where I’m going with this?

These are things they don’t tell you in podiatry school.

If I knew there would be such a scramble to find quality jobs in this profession I would have done everything in my power to get into DO med school.

There are plenty of jobs to be had. There is TFP on every street corner willing to sell you their practice for a way over valued price.

But if you are looking for guarantees. Gauranteed salary, gauranteed job satisfaction, gauranteed positive politics towards the podiatry profession...you won’t find any.

I’m going to keep going with this rant...

For every token DPM that proclaims they have the perfect job (good salary, respect, practice to the full extent of their training) I can probably find you 100+ other DPMs or more who hate their jobs and don’t have jobs that meet any of that criteria.

I’m going to keep going...

I think the idea of fellowship training is completely overblown by ACFAS. It only helps you find a job if you there are opportunities within your fellowship directors “network of buddies”. Outside of that there are no perks to it. If you do a fellowship you better damn go somewhere where you can actually use your skills or get a job where they (Ortho) will allow it. If they have a problem then it doesn’t matter who’s fellowship you did...you won’t be doing those fancy procedures.

AOFAS is making a huge push to discredit our profession. The general public is buying it. You ever join the total ankle replacement or charcot Facebook groups? I’m in those. There are snide comments about podiatrists throughout these webpages from the general public. We are fighting an uphill battle ladies and gents. Is it getting better? Yes but all these external factors influence your acceptance into the medical community and public community at large.

All These external factors are the driving influences on the job market in my opinion.

Let’s see what else...

I’m out of material for now
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I think the above post is one of the most accurate and honest posts I’ve ever read on this site.

It’s time to brush aside the BS, fluff and survey quoting. I’ve been at this for longer than most on this site. I can tell you factually that those prestigious and high paying jobs are the exception and not the rule.

Go up to someone at a party and impress people that you’re a foot and ankle surgeon and impress them with all the TARs you perform. The second they realize you’re a podiatrist their entire outlook will change and you will be associated with Dr. Scholl and toenails.

Bury your egos and smell the toast burning. I understand you are spending a lot of money to obtain the degree and want to know your future income.

But if you’ve paid attention you’ll realize that unlike allopathic medicine, there is NO answer to your question. None. You can start off making 60 grand or almost 300 grand. That’s the bottom line.

Keep asking the same question and you’ll get the same answer.
 
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is it possible for podiatry to turn into corporate or is it highly unlikely?
 
@ExperiencedDPM the thing i don't understand about salary is that every site i look at they all show podiatrist salary above 140k i haven't seen anything below that. I pretty sure these numbers come from a reliable source since they are on sites. This site for example (1.salary) says the lowest is 129k which is still pretty good in I'm opinion.
 
The biggest variable (in my opinion, problem) to salary is current podiatrists. They get in the PMnews echo chamber, waste overhead $ on gimmicks and devices that aren't profitable, borderline collude to keep salaries low, sucker younger DPMs into insane buy ins, etc.

It is not hard to collect $600-700k as a podiatrist, and it is not hard to keep overhead (not including your salary) at 50%. The problem is when the young doc takes a job with a $90k base with promises of future big $$$ (after all, the partners are making very good money) only to find a $500-600k buy in 2 years later. You don't want to pay that so you either stay an associate and continue to get screwed or you leave...and start the associate to partner process all over again. An orthopedic group would laugh at most of these DPMs valuations and subsequent buy ins. Unfortunately, until the day comes where most cities across the country have a hospital system that realizes the value in a salaried DPM, the private and group practices have no competition for new hires and will continue to get away with it.

The other solution is to get more new grads to open up their own practices. The problem is that you've spent 7 years being told you can't open up shop on your own anymore. It takes planning, and there is risk, but there are plenty of folks in that last 2-3 years that have done it and are very successful.

You should be insulted at an offer that will pay you less than a PA. But until some of the older docs die or local hospitals/MSG bleed them to death...I expect it to continue.
 
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@ExperiencedDPM the thing i don't understand about salary is that every site i look at they all show podiatrist salary above 140k i haven't seen anything below that. I pretty sure these numbers come from a reliable source since they are on sites. This site for example (1.salary) says the lowest is 129k which is still pretty good in I'm opinion.
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Pay attention to where the survey gets their information from, and how reliable it is. If they include resident salaries then that will bring the average down. If they are stuff where you fill it in yourself then people can put whatever they want. I know for a fact some brand new associates in private practice will take a lower starting salary under 100k so they can take a higher % of their revenue, so would the survey include their pay after the bonuses? Because technically the base pay is under 100k.
 
Ok, we understand that not everyone will be at a hospital making 300k, and not everyone will be taken advantage of and take an offer for 60k. All we want to know as pre pods is what the average run of the mill set up will be.

From what people are saying, hospital pods will pay more at around 180-200k and private practice will be 100k+ incentive bonuses.

Oddly enough, nobody has mentioned anything about Ortho.

when I told people I was going to go to podiatry school, the only people who looked down at me were people going to MD school. The everyday person thinks pods are fine.

ExperiencedDPM said:
I think the above post is one of the most accurate and honest posts I’ve ever read on this site.

It’s time to brush aside the BS, fluff and survey quoting. I’ve been at this for longer than most on this site. I can tell you factually that those prestigious and high paying jobs are the exception and not the rule.

Go up to someone at a party and impress people that you’re a foot and ankle surgeon and impress them with all the TARs you perform. The second they realize you’re a podiatrist their entire outlook will change and you will be associated with Dr. Scholl and toenails.

Bury your egos and smell the toast burning. I understand you are spending a lot of money to obtain the degree and want to know your future income.

But if you’ve paid attention you’ll realize that unlike allopathic medicine, there is NO answer to your question. None. You can start off making 60 grand or almost 300 grand. That’s the bottom line.

Keep asking the same question and you’ll get the same answer.
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my concern is not really the salary. If I make 80k after taxes Im good with that.
 
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GypsyHummus said:
My understanding is that corporate dentist jobs are plentiful, but they work u hard and pay you little (around 120k pretax)

The dental school debt is astronomical. Look at the private institutions like AT Still in Arizona. It’s something like 115k per YEAR. YOU WILL BE 450k in debt after 4 years, and that’s not including tuition.

Podiatry, for all its faults, it looks like you can squeeze out of school with a little under 300k, making it financially feasible.
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DMU average debt is 160K for DPM
 
that’s not including living expenses. It’s more like 60k/year or 250k total.

Still not bad if you are making 100k post tax. Live off of 30k/year for about 3 years to knock out the debt, and the rest is money honey


DoctorAtwal said:
really thats good. It probably possible to pay that off in 3 years and make money for our pockets!
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GypsyHummus said:
that’s not including living expenses. It’s more like 60k/year or 250k total.

Still not bad if you are making 100k post tax. Live off of 30k/year for about 3 years to knock out the debt, and the rest is money honey
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the tuition is 124k for four years (30k per year), without living.
 
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GypsyHummus said:
that’s not including living expenses. It’s more like 60k/year or 250k total.

Still not bad if you are making 100k post tax. Live off of 30k/year for about 3 years to knock out the debt, and the rest is money honey
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That's including everything.

160K is average what people borrow for all 4-5 years. Its not just tuition. This is official information from their Financial Aid office.

Of course this number includes people who might have full ride, received scholarships and some are lucky enough if their parents are paying for their education. But 160K is official DMU borrowing amount for all 4 years including everything.

Of course most people get 2-5K of scholarships. 30K tuition x 4 years is already 120K. plus another 40K for other expenses.
Some have SO's who might work and support while the other is in school.

In contrast, their DO students burrow 225K on average.
 
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That's including everything.

160K is average what people borrow for all 4-5 years. Its not just tuition. This is official information from their Financial Aid office.

Of course this number includes people who might have full ride, received scholarships and some are lucky enough if their parents are paying for their education. But 160K is official DMU borrowing amount for all 4 years including everything.

Of course most people get 2-5K of scholarships. 30K tuition x 4 years is already 120K. plus another 40K for other expenses.
Some have SO's who might work and support while the other is in school.

In contrast, their DO students burrow 225K on average.
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Their cost of attendance on interview day shows 250k. Accounting for absolutely everything (traveling to externships, boards, etc)
 
Podiatry is NOT like other medicine jobs. Pay is not equal to medicine jobs. Pay structure is not equal to medicine jobs. Stop trying to make sense of it.
 
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Ok, we understand. Just like we understand that Optometry, pharmacy, and dentistry doesn’t have a pay structure similar to Medicine MD/DO. But those optometry salaries are easy to see and evaluate. People looking at podiatry need the same sort of clarity one would find comparing Pharmacy to Optometry for instance.

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Podiatry is NOT like other medicine jobs. Pay is not equal to medicine jobs. Pay structure is not equal to medicine jobs. Stop trying to make sense of it.
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DoctorAtwal said:
my concern is not really the salary. If I make 80k after taxes Im good with that. However my concern is if I will be able to land a residency after i finish the school. I live in NYC. I think i saw on another thread that there was a shortage of residencies. I am pretty sure that the future of podiatry looks good and there will be improvements. thoughts?
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Stop talking now. 80k is nothing. 80k in NYC is nothing. If you think you will do this or want this quit now.
 
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80k isn’t bad in a Flyover State. Realistically after taxes that’s what someone would make if their gross was 140k, which seems to be a podiatrist salary one could expect 1-5 years out.

80k in NEw York, especially NYC, is like poverty level.

air bud said:
Stop talking now. 80k is nothing. 80k in NYC is nothing. If you think you will do this or want this quit now.
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GypsyHummus said:
80k isn’t bad in a Flyover State. Realistically after taxes that’s what someone would make if their gross was 140k, which seems to be a podiatrist salary one could expect 1-5 years out.

80k in NEw York, especially NYC, is like poverty level.
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80k is terrible. Stop it. You worked too hard to make 80k. Stop now
 
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So is the consensus that surveys are any good?
I sort of ballparked it using those including bls. Is 1.salary too optimistic? Is BLS too low? To high? Just right?? What about the industry surveys like apma are those being cooked like a previous attending mentioned.
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