You guys are full of ****. First of all, the biggest lie being repeated over and over in this thread is that americans can´t train elsewhere. Thats such a huge lie I cannot even measure it. Reality is americans don´t go abroad because, let´s face it, there is simply not a much better place out there, not because "you can´t". I invite you to go to Mexico or Argentina to train, I know a whole lot of people training there. In Europe, Spain is flooded with residents from abroad (Spain is 1st world and the 8th largest economy in the world. A bit of info for the culturally impaired).
I´d tend to think the UK is in the same position, but I really don´t know. The examples given shall suffice, though.
People go to the UK and US mostly because of language, because most educated people can speak english. German, not so easy. Or are you telling me that Germany´s healthcare is subpar?
Having said that, cut it with the tax dollar issues. Better say "we don´t like foreigners" and stop making excuses. Reminds me of the guy on youtube that said "I don´t wanna sound racist, but I don´t want a black man running my country"
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Americans are using money to train these doctors, but also to get much needed health care. It´s an investment. Nobody is giving away money here. Nobody is doing it for humanistic reasons. Fact is America gets a doctor and the doctor gets America. It´s a trade. Since when is the most capitalistic and interest driven country giving away anything? Accept the fact: it is a trade, just as anything else.
Can you do away with these doctors? Deport them all and let´s see what happens. I´d also recommend deporting all engineers, PhD´s, teachers, artists and athletes. I never would have thought it is so painful for somebody to acknowledge they (as a society) need help.
What I´ve also learned is that the whiners tend to be underachievers of some sort that just want to have standards brought down so they can fit in. For example, supporting the creation of an extra 15,000 positions so they can get a spot
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I am a foreigner and studied in my home country. We see these guys every year, coming to our schools and thinking "oh, this is 3rd world, it should be easy here". A bunch of slackers I´d say. Not one of them has made it to the top of any class. Not even average. (I don´t know about the caribbean schools, seems like is not the same). These are the people that later create threads of the sort of "All US Citizens and GC holders join here"
. Is not my fault it took you 10 years to graduate. Is not my fault you graduated "Summa Difficultie". Is not my fault you had 3 failed attempts at each USMLE step and barely hit the pass mark.
America, being as it is, will not stop getting doctors, engineers, nurses, scientist and all you want to mention. At least not in the foreseeable future. Do you know how much money it brings to test 10,000 people, getting them to pay for air tickets, hotels, etc?? And yes, FMGs and FMS pay more for the tests.
In the meantime schools are producing more doctors, guess what is going to happen? America´s population will grow, and it economic need for foreign talent will grow as well. Your arguments are the same as the IT arguments... yet IT professionals keep arriving and they will keep doing so. It´s a different world, about time you accept it.
Heck, take away professionals and all that, still countries need to keep their population numbers stable. Being by immigration or child birth. That´s why it doesnt matters how much a few australians complain (or americans), their immigration policy is not going to drastically change any sooner. Immigration also bring economic growth. Sometimes economic growth fuel the need for immigrants. Either way, you end up with immigrants. Wake up! Countries do not receive lots of immigrants out of love!
Third, being more humble and stop thinking "the US is training the world´s doctors" would be nice. There is doctors and schools elsewhere. For God´s sake stop it with the thought that you are doing a favor to anybody. Even more, if you really are providing the world´s doctors, shouldn´t you be happy you are doing such an altruistic action?
Most of the whiners are just people with subpar statistics. So much, they fear somebody from India, different culture, no contacts, poor, different language, facing prejudice, not knowing the system, and a long etcetera succeds and gets a spot. Why? Because they know their multiple attempts, poor scores, lack of any meaningful activity makes them no competition to the average joe. What scares them the most is not being competition to the average FMG. Their sense of entitlement and pride gets hurt when they realize that so much people are better than they are and they got to be better even coming from a third world empoverished country with no technology. What would have happened if some of these doctors studied in America?
I can understand you want to protect the US citizens. But guess what? They are being protected already. A little bit of extra, logical, protection? Thats fine. But just because 1 guy fails and that guy happens to be you doesnt means the system is 100% flawed. The beauty of America is it´s freedom and standards. And thats what you want to change just to try to get a spot. "Let´s put restrictions on PD" "Hospitals should act like blah blah". Next thing you notice is some crazy "Patriot Act" being enacted. Ooops, that already happened.