The Castration of Physicians

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I'm just about to finish my in internal medicine residency this summer and based on my experiences (my program is based in a academic community hospital) the past three years I laugh at how stressed I was as an undergraduate about my GPA, MCAT score, research so that I could get into medical school because the way I see it there really are no good reasons to be a physician if you are a bright individual who wants to be successful for the following reasons:

1) Compensation: People say the 10 years of delayed gratification will be worth it afterwards but is it really? Even for someone with no loans to me physicians currently are grossly underpaid (250-350k) for the amount of effort they put into studying and training especially when PA's and NP's are making six figures for a few years of school with no calls/patient responsibility.

2) Autonomy: One could still try to keep their independence by remaining in private practice if they want to deal with the overhead but economically these days it makes no sense (lot of work for little reward). Therefore the only solution is to work for the hospital (hospitalist, specialists in groups that are being bought out by the hospital) which means being told what to do by administrators who have no clinical background (not just MBA's but nurse coordinators as well).

3) Ambition: The job dissatisfaction that comes with losing autonomy is largely a result of our own failures. Even in the old days there has never been a strong voice to advocate for physicians and this has only worsened as everyone has started to look out for themselves. Consequently there is no leverage for us to fight back as an administrator can replace us easily with someone else (look at the rapid job turnover at hospitals especially among hospitalists) who is naive/not willing to make any noise for fear of their own job security. Administrators understand the disaster that would happen if physicians joined forces (threatened to quit unless changes were made) but they ysknow this won't happen because the older generation of physician are close to retirement and my generation either doesn't see the big picture or they just don't care (happy to do shift work, easy hours, paycheck).

4) Professional Development: Sure- as a physician you have a job for life that pays you a good salary (very few professions can say that) but that's the ceiling. No room to move up the ladder and more importantly it does not matter how good you are (no financial reward for being a better physician either clinically or with patients). There is no incentive to do a proper thorough job if your co worker writes one sentence notes, spends two minutes with their patients, and leaves the hospital hours before you do but makes the same.

5) Respect: It used to mean something being a physician- patients/nurses/administrators would treat doctors with the respect that they deserved. I'm not asking for people to bow down to us but at the same time I feel there has been a concerted effort to group us a "health care provider" at the same level as others. Patients have designated parking spots close to the hospital as a sign of loyalty. Physician lounges have minimal spreads. No pharmaceutical dinners. All of these are small things on their own but at the same time given the stress and difficulty of our job warrants some reward/recognition.

6) Technology: The main advantage we had was our medical knowledge gained from classes in medical school and reading books like Harrison's during residency. Technology (web md, up to date) has made things easier but at a major cost- we have become lazy (inherently know less than older generations) which has opened the door for us being replaced- I see primary care doctors being extinct in the future as NP's will follow a protocol to triage outpatients and even in sicker patients not requiring surgery can be managed largely with a computer algorithm that takes a history and makes a diagnosis/treatment plan.

All of this makes me sad about the future but it's not late for us to put up a fight if we have the courage to go for it.

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1. As a physician who has yet to actually make 250k despite being 5 years out, we're paid quite well. I'm FM, my wife is IM. We have together never grossed above 400k. Yet we could pay for 2 rounds of IVF, take several vacations/year, eat out without worrying about price all that much, and basically don't worry much about money. Can I go out tomorrow and drop cash for a Porsche or a beach house? No. But we're very comfortable and don't fret over money.

2. I know lots of very happy/successful PP docs. Just a matter of finding a good group (or going DPC since you're primary care as well).

3. You'd actually be surprised at how much administration does care. Replacing doctors is expensive and time consuming. It also depends on your job type. They care much more about outpatient PCP than hospitalists. The former is likely to result in pissed off patients who leave the practice. The latter, no one notices.

4. Now this one is kinda true. Ideally you'd want to do a good job for the patients' sake, but I get what you're saying.

5. Most of the patients still respect us and that's enough for me. I haven't been in a doctor's lounge since residency nor had a special parking spot ever so maybe I just don't know what I'm missing.

6. I absolutely disagree with us knowing less than previous generations. Go look at how many HTN drugs we had back in 1970 and compare that to now. Sure I probably know less hard core disease pathology than my 68 year old FM uncle, but I promise that my knowledge of the several dozen DM drugs (that didn't exist for the first half of his career) is better than his.
 
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6) Technology: The main advantage we had was our medical knowledge gained from classes in medical school and reading books like Harrison's during residency. Technology (web md, up to date) has made things easier but at a major cost- we have become lazy (inherently know less than older generations) which has opened the door for us being replaced- I see primary care doctors being extinct in the future as NP's will follow a protocol to triage outpatients and even in sicker patients not requiring surgery can be managed largely with a computer algorithm that takes a history and makes a diagnosis/treatment plan.

This is just patently false. Having more resources does not mean we learn less. The breadth of medical knowledge, including hardcore pathophysiology, is growing exponentially. We may not memorize the way they used to, but we still have to learn it and keep on top of it. My dad was bragging about how easy biochem was for him, so I showed him a couple of slides from our biochem/genetics block and he shut up. He went to med school before we knew a 10th of what we know about the genome, tumorigenesis, etc. The NP thing is a whole different issue.

Also sounds like you don't want to be a hospitalist.
 
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I've written novels on SDN about this, I'll slaughter it again by saying that I essentially agree that the "practical" reasons as the OP states, are essentially lacking for going into the field, except for where @VA Hopeful Dr makes the case for where the job as a job still has plenty of value.

Most people will not be happy if they go into it, and it wasn't because it's a calling. Medicine is something I can sleep breathe eat do for 80 hours and on my one day off on the weekend I'm still excitedly telling someone on the bus why they should manage their HA1C. I don't leave it at the door. It's in my very soul, haunting me (pretty sure I lifted that from Star War Attack of the Clones Anakin --> Padme).

It's like the military. How much many money makes it worth it to you to crawl around in the mud getting shot at? For most people, you can't put a price on that. Like any calling, there's an awful lot of awful that people will be willing to endure for like zero dollars. Florence Nightingale, bless her heart. Incidentally she likely had bipolar disorder.

Now, I think there's a chance there are enough people that feel this way that some of perks have fallen away from the profession and there hasn't been strong backlash. It's going to take a lot I think before we get to where the UK's NHS is at.

Now comes the part where I could write about shamanic traditions and the role of the healer as it has existed almost as long as mankind. There's a value to the whole thing that I think may be undermined or farmed out elsewhere in Western society, to everyone's detriment, in my view.

Possibly the physician has been "castrated," but since he was likely an "ascetic" in the tradition of Osler, it probably didn't do much to sway him. I think if the patient-physician relationship and the "mission" are strained further, that will be the button that might trigger change.

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If you approach this as a calling, it's still one of the most fulfilling professions on the planet, although it is becoming more frustrating, mostly related to how much people feel admin burden and finances gets between them and their healing mission. Money is still pretty good for following your calling. I agree there has been an overall decline on various fronts.
 
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Your sentiments, particularly #2 and #3, echo an IM concierge physician I followed for a 1mo rotation. That guy always came in and left work with a smile, and worked occasional shifts as a hospitalist just to prevent skill atrophy. He built his own practice to solve many of the problems you mentioned instead of being trapped by them.

I think #5 is questionable. I don't identify with it as a reason for choosing medicine, but on the other hand I have seen practices (notably, IM specialists) where physicians are treated VERY well. What I have seen is a large discrepancy in how certain specialties are treated by the hospital.

#6. I think technology is fine, and having come from tech, I honestly don't find it all that threatening. In the end a human must make the final decision and act. Most physicians I know who use technology see it more as an adjunct than a necessity in their practice. I think that seeing midlevels being empowered by technology is the wrong way to look at the debate about midlevels. The bigger problem with tech is rules about EMRs and patient data.

Maybe I will be as jaded when I reach the end of residency. I appreciate threads like these that reveal the honest truth about being a physician.
 
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I've written novels on SDN about this, I'll slaughter it again by saying that I essentially agree that the "practical" reasons as the OP states, are essentially lacking for going into the field, except for where @VA Hopeful Dr makes the case for where the job as a job still has plenty of value.

Most people will not be happy if they go into it, and it wasn't because it's a calling. Medicine is something I can sleep breathe eat do for 80 hours and on my one day off on the weekend I'm still excitedly telling someone on the bus why they should manage their HA1C. I don't leave it at the door. It's in my very soul, haunting me (pretty sure I lifted that from Star War Attack of the Clones Anakin --> Padme).

It's like the military. How much many money makes it worth it to you to crawl around in the mud getting shot at? For most people, you can't put a price on that. Like any calling, there's an awful lot of awful that people will be willing to endure for like zero dollars. Florence Nightingale, bless her heart. Incidentally she likely had bipolar disorder.

Now, I think there's a chance there are enough people that feel this way that some of perks have fallen away from the profession and there hasn't been strong backlash. It's going to take a lot I think before we get to where the UK's NHS is at.

Now comes the part where I could write about shamanic traditions and the role of the healer as it has existed almost as long as mankind. There's a value to the whole thing that I think may be undermined or farmed out elsewhere in Western society, to everyone's detriment, in my view.

Possibly the physician has been "castrated," but since he was likely an "ascetic" in the tradition of Osler, it probably didn't do much to sway him. I think if the patient-physician relationship and the "mission" are strained further, that will be the button that might trigger change.

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If you approach this as a calling, it's still one of the most fulfilling professions on the planet, although it is becoming more frustrating, mostly related to how much people feel admin burden and finances gets between them and their healing mission. Money is still pretty good for following your calling. I agree there has been an overall decline on various fronts.
This was very good for me to read and lifts my hopes when I consider medicine is a vocation, a calling.

What do you think of the problems listed in this video: ? It really woke me up.

If the problems with the U.S. healthcare system are preventing physicians from fulfilling their calling, shouldn't this be enough of a wake up call?
 
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5) Respect: It used to mean something being a physician- patients/nurses/administrators would treat doctors with the respect that they deserved. I'm not asking for people to bow down to us but at the same time I feel there has been a concerted effort to group us a "health care provider" at the same level as others. Patients have designated parking spots close to the hospital as a sign of loyalty. Physician lounges have minimal spreads. No pharmaceutical dinners. All of these are small things on their own but at the same time given the stress and difficulty of our job warrants some reward/recognition.

May I suggest a grassroots campaign to replace all adjacent patient parking with a "high-level provider improved spread picnic zone". Merry walking, ya filthy animals.

Maybe a crowdfunding campaign to fund the salaries of a rotating selection of actors who will shower high-level zone permit holders with the praise and respect that is deserved.

Ouh, a frustration booth could be a safe space to share feelings regarding all aforementioned matters. "Forgive me Chief, for I have been holding back tears since last year's pharma dinner.
 
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May I suggest a grassroots campaign to replace all adjacent patient parking with a "high-level provider improved spread picnic zone". Merry walking, ya filthy animals.

Maybe a crowdfunding campaign to fund the salaries of a rotating selection of actors who will shower high-level zone permit holders with the praise and respect that is deserved.

Ouh, a frustration booth could be a safe space to share feelings regarding all aforementioned matters. "Forgive me Chief, for I have been holding back tears since last year's pharma dinner.

When a new attending enters the building the first task is for the nurses and CNA's to begin construction of the Pyramid that the attending will use to pass into the afterlife. We wouldn't want it not to get done in time. Happy nurses week! Below is actual footage of a physician entering the hospital. @Same Team_RN

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When a new attending enters the building the first task is for the nurses and CNA's to begin construction of the Pyramid that the attending will use to pass into the afterlife. We wouldn't want it not to get done in time. Happy nurses week! Below is actual footage of a physician entering the hospital. @Same Team_RN

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There a no doubt a few amazing, world class, attendings that I'd gladly carry into work each day.
 
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