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Hi all....I've thought about posting this for a while and never do. I am 2-4 years out of residency, I didn't go to the strongest one but also not one that might be considered "lower tier." I came out knowing my strengths and weaknesses and haven't tried to be adventurous with what I am uncomfortable with. With that said, I have really struggled with my confidence/anxiety. It has gotten worse after a job change where I took a position I consider my "dream job." I expect the worst. I know I can't be the only one that has felt this way...just curious what other people have done to get over this.

I am interested to hear the perspective from this community.

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Hi all....I've thought about posting this for a while and never do. I am 2-4 years out of residency, I didn't go to the strongest one but also not one that might be considered "lower tier." I came out knowing my strengths and weaknesses and haven't tried to be adventurous with what I am uncomfortable with. With that said, I have really struggled with my confidence/anxiety. It has gotten worse after a job change where I took a position I consider my "dream job." I expect the worst. I know I can't be the only one that has felt this way...just curious what other people have done to get over this.

I am interested to hear the perspective from this community.
If you're not seeing a doctor about this...do it! I have many friends (in and out of the medical profession) that struggle with anxiety, which can really drag on your confidence. Medication does wonders for these people. There's hardly a stigma anymore about it...so just get on it ASAP.
 
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Hi all....I've thought about posting this for a while and never do. I am 2-4 years out of residency, I didn't go to the strongest one but also not one that might be considered "lower tier." I came out knowing my strengths and weaknesses and haven't tried to be adventurous with what I am uncomfortable with. With that said, I have really struggled with my confidence/anxiety. It has gotten worse after a job change where I took a position I consider my "dream job." I expect the worst. I know I can't be the only one that has felt this way...just curious what other people have done to get over this.

I am interested to hear the perspective from this community.
I think it is normal to have some self doubt at times. Are you choosing the right procedure? Are you doing what is in the best interest of the patient? Are you the best person to perform the procedure you are choosing?

One of my mentors said if you aren't losing sleep over patients or thinking about certain cases outside of work hours then you don't care enough about the patient to do the work.

There is nothing wrong with staying within your confidence interval. I don't know if pods get the yips like chuck knoblach, but it's ok. Referring stuff out can make you look even better in patients eyes.

Now if your dream job was obtained on a bed of lies....then you are in trouble.
 
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If this is not overall anxiety and ONLY anxiety about your profession...all you can do is stick with what you're comfortable with. Don't be afraid to ask a colleague or someone you did residency with for help. Send patients out for a 2nd opinion if you're not comfortable with the treatment plan.

Are you just having trouble talking to patients? Sometimes that takes more than 2-4 years to excel at, depending on your past experiences. Especially non-verbal queues and all the nuances that create trust. That'll come in time, just gotta keep practicing...
 
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If this is not overall anxiety and ONLY anxiety about your profession...all you can do is stick with what you're comfortable with. Don't be afraid to ask a colleague or someone you did residency with for help. Send patients out for a 2nd opinion if you're not comfortable with the treatment plan.

Are you just having trouble talking to patients? Sometimes that takes more than 2-4 years to excel at, depending on your past experiences. Especially non-verbal queues and all the nuances that create trust. That'll come in time, just gotta keep practicing...
Yes. Having a good text thread with some colleagues is critical. Instant second opinions, reaffirmations etc.
 
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If this is not overall anxiety and ONLY anxiety about your profession...all you can do is stick with what you're comfortable with. Don't be afraid to ask a colleague or someone you did residency with for help. Send patients out for a 2nd opinion if you're not comfortable with the treatment plan.

Are you just having trouble talking to patients? Sometimes that takes more than 2-4 years to excel at, depending on your past experiences. Especially non-verbal queues and all the nuances that create trust. That'll come in time, just gotta keep practicing...
Its been an ongoing issue so I think you are correct regarding medication and possibly counseling. I appreciate your comments, I shouldn't feel like I should be able to solve all my patient's problems and its ok to refer out. Excellent point.
I think it is normal to have some self doubt at times. Are you choosing the right procedure? Are you doing what is in the best interest of the patient? Are you the best person to perform the procedure you are choosing?

One of my mentors said if you aren't losing sleep over patients or thinking about certain cases outside of work hours then you don't care enough about the patient to do the work.

There is nothing wrong with staying within your confidence interval. I don't know if pods get the yips like chuck knoblach, but it's ok. Referring stuff out can make you look even better in patients eyes.

Now if your dream job was obtained on a bed of lies....then you are in trouble.
Thank you...I was at a ****ty pp job (go figure) before with no support from the staff/owner/other associates and now to get this other job I am deathly afraid it will get taken from me somehow. Was very transparent about my past experiences, how I practice, what I can bring to the table, and what I won't do.
 
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Its been an ongoing issue so I think you are correct regarding medication and possibly counseling. I appreciate your comments, I shouldn't feel like I should be able to solve all my patient's problems and its ok to refer out. Excellent point.

Thank you...I was at a ****ty pp job (go figure) before with no support from the staff/owner/other associates and now to get this other job I am deathly afraid it will get taken from me somehow. Was very transparent about my past experiences, how I practice, what I can bring to the table, and what I won't do.
Yeah, I get it. 20-30 (or more) people coming in every day expecting you to be able to fix their problem. It's kind of a heavy weight being a physician sometimes! But yeah, learning to be able to say "I don't know how to help you any more than I have" without feeling like a failure is another skill that has to be practiced and learned. Sometimes patients will walk out of your office angry, and that's OK. We've all been there, and anyone that says otherwise is lying. Don't let it wreck your day, and go on to the next room where Mr Smith is elated that you got rid of his heel pain. At least we're podiatrists, and not watching our patients die left and right when we can't help them...that was part of the appeal for me haha.
 
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Its been an ongoing issue so I think you are correct regarding medication and possibly counseling. I appreciate your comments, I shouldn't feel like I should be able to solve all my patient's problems and its ok to refer out. Excellent point.

Thank you...I was at a ****ty pp job (go figure) before with no support from the staff/owner/other associates and now to get this other job I am deathly afraid it will get taken from me somehow. Was very transparent about my past experiences, how I practice, what I can bring to the table, and what I won't do.

No one will fault you for staying in your lane. Period. You haven’t butchered a patient yet. Send them out to someone else. Don’t be like the ones on instagram bragging about the cases they do only to post an XR that clearly doesn’t look right.
 
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In addition to above make sure you reserve at least 30 minutes a day for exercise.
I peloton (nearly) every day for 30 minutes. Helps significantly with reducing anxiety and building confidence. Also helps keep my mind sharp.
 
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If this is not overall anxiety and ONLY anxiety about your profession...all you can do is stick with what you're comfortable with. Don't be afraid to ask a colleague or someone you did residency with for help. Send patients out for a 2nd opinion if you're not comfortable with the treatment plan...
Yes, you have to stick with what you're comfortable with. Overall and especially in the workplace. I would assume this is mainly about OR cases since that's what the OP references a few times, but if it's overall anxiety with daily and personal stuff also, that is counselor/doc visit stuff 100%. It is sleep well and protect sleep (#1), nutrition, exercise, maybe yoga/meditation, LIMIT stress, limit stimulants, limit screen time, all that good stuff. Basically, simplify, simplify... you get what you allow. Guidance of a counselor helps, but just drop stressors like some external stresses (news, politics, etc), some family members, some goals that are too taxing, etc. Simplify. Overall anxiety's obviously beyond scope of a forum, though.

With regard to pod surg being stressful, "knowledge is the antidote to fear." That goes for anything, especially OR.
You either got enough reps, enough confidence, enough in residency... or you didn't. No big deal. There is not really a way to go back and fix it. If you are like 99% of people, you got enough of some stuff but not enough of other stuff. As to what "enough" is, that's different for everyone. I will say that I still watch a LOT of surgery textbook DVD and internet videos the evening before (esp when I'd train residents... wanted to review the step-by-step). Sure, I watch less and more just segments of the vids for stuff I've done a lot now, but I still watch or read . Knowledge is the antidote to fear.

I always maintained that the 4 pillars of good surgery are:
-education, prep, mentorship, training, exp
-personal interest and motivation (reading, planning, etc)
-natural motor skill and hand skills
-confidence

...Luckily, it is faaar from essential to do surgery or all surgery that comes in the door. The average DPM does less than one whole day of OR per week... I probably do 0.75 days/wk average, and I'm higher end. Some hospital-employ or ortho group or academic docs do more, most do a lot less. We have a large DPM group, MANY offices... and a lot of guys in the group do minimal or no surgery. Some aren't qual/certified for it, some just don't enjoy it or didn't have much surgery training, a few had problems with it before, some just know they make more collections/money with office stuff, etc. The ones who are non-op do wound care and primary care office podiatry, DME, etc.... and they make a fine living. They send surgery to others, like me, who do basically every surgery a DPM can do when it's indicated (trauma, recon, RRA, etc). The majority are actually somewhere in-between and do basic surgery (normal bunions, wounds, plantar fascia, etc) and might send out the bigger things. The funny thing is: we probably all make similar money at the end of the day... it's actually more based on who does high margin stuff, which is not happening on surgery day.

You will never hurt anyone by NOT doing surgery (as long as it is referred out appropriate). I honestly believe we'd be better with some DPMs doing 5 or 10 cases per week instead of nearly all DPMs trying to do 1 or 2... works for ortho F&A, and it works for dentists to funnel wisdom teeth and cosmetic and OMFS and to specialists with higher volume.
The problem children in podiatry are the ones who keep putting square peg into a round hole and think they can do stuff and crash off the guardrails with bad outcomes, long OR times, overly aggressive procedure selection, trying to talk ppl into surgery for fractures that'd heal fine in a CAM boot or deformity that's not painful, etc. Those are the dangerous ones who will embarrass us all, and they typically end up losing privileges or getting malpractice suits, etc...
High skill , high surgery = ok
Low skill, low/no surgery = ok
Low skill, high surgery = reckless
 
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Totally agree. Never be afraid to refer someone out. Swallow your pride (if you need to).

There are surgeries I did comfortably in residency that I rarely do these days... I’m to the point now that when patients need them, I just refer them out and tell them “I’d be happy to work on this with you, but i’d rather you have it done by someone who does them 10 times a month versus 10 times a year.” 🤷🏻‍♂️
 
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I got an eob from a lapidus, Weil, girdlestone... $857.

Surgery sucks.
 
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Stay within your comfort zone and know your limits. Do the right thing for the patient and not your ego.
 
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Hi all....I've thought about posting this for a while and never do. I am 2-4 years out of residency, I didn't go to the strongest one but also not one that might be considered "lower tier." I came out knowing my strengths and weaknesses and haven't tried to be adventurous with what I am uncomfortable with. With that said, I have really struggled with my confidence/anxiety. It has gotten worse after a job change where I took a position I consider my "dream job." I expect the worst. I know I can't be the only one that has felt this way...just curious what other people have done to get over this.

I am interested to hear the perspective from this community.
You are 2-4 years out of residency? Not sure what that means.

As long as you were transparent with your new employer. Even though you told your new employer what you will and won’t do, that may differ from you referring patients out.

Please make sure you discuss this with your employer. He or she may not be happy with you referring things out of the office. Your employer knowing your comfort level and having you refer patients out may be a big difference.

Make sure that it’s explained and discussed.
 
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Maybe limit what you see/do?

Expectations behind "elective" foot surgery is very high and it certainly can get stressful if something doesnt go exactly as planned.

Diabetic and trauma IMO is far less stressful. It is what it is and as long as you dont do something dumb the stress levels are pretty low.

Most fracture care is quite easy (sparing talar, calc, pilon).

A transmet with a TAL is about as easy as it gets.

I feel lapidus is one of the harder procedures I routinely do and I do a lot of them/well versed in them. In addition to difficulty if its not absolutely perfect the patient is unhappy.
 
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Surgery doesn't pay well enough to justify it over a busy clinic day unless you're doing multiple cases (each with multiple procedures) on a frequent basis (i.e. at least 1 day per week). Find a few elective procedures you're decent at and enjoy doing and refer everything else out that you don't like/feel comfortable doing.

Now if you're in a job where your employer expects you to do a lot of 'big' cases, you may be in a bit of a pickle. But I'm sure there's even still a way to practice in that setting ethically/confidently/happily as long as you're honest with your employer and your patients.
 
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Hi all....I've thought about posting this for a while and never do. I am 2-4 years out of residency, I didn't go to the strongest one but also not one that might be considered "lower tier." I came out knowing my strengths and weaknesses and haven't tried to be adventurous with what I am uncomfortable with. With that said, I have really struggled with my confidence/anxiety. It has gotten worse after a job change where I took a position I consider my "dream job." I expect the worst. I know I can't be the only one that has felt this way...just curious what other people have done to get over this.

I am interested to hear the perspective from this community.

I will say I could have written this myself… one thing I have found helpful is contacting reps and doing cadaver labs. When I do the labs I pretend that it’s a real patient and do each step meticulously. This has really helped my confidence.

I think it is good to push yourself out of your comfort zone slightly (which can mean different things for different people). Obviously don’t book a case you are not capable of doing. However, if you are capable and just scared you should still do it because you will never gain confidence without doing it a few times by yourself.

Not sure what your job type is. I am in a group practice with 6 total docs. We all discuss our cases and get each others opinions. On big cases like a triple sometimes the older docs will have me scrub in for another set of hands since in the surgery center we are pretty limited with help. I guess my point is that if you work with other pods and you trust them don’t let it hurt your pride to ask them advice or even have them scrub a couple of the cases you are scared of so that you gain that confidence you need

I have no fear in being honest… some of the big egos here will probably put me down for this… but I was scared even doing my first Austin on my own. Not that I hadn’t done it hundreds of times in residency… but there was something totally different about being the attending. Maybe this isn’t your problem, but my point is that a lot of people get nerves their first few years out of residency until you do a lot of cases and have complications that you figure out how to handle and grow from it. Most everything turns out ok in the end
 
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I have no fear in being honest… some of the big egos here will probably put me down for this… but I was scared even doing my first Austin on my own.

I don't think any big egos would put someone down for this. Anybody who says that they did not defecate bricks during cases early on is a liar. It's much different when it's your name listed as surgeon on the op note.
 
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I have no fear in being honest… some of the big egos here will probably put me down for this… but I was scared even doing my first Austin on my own. Not that I hadn’t done it hundreds of times in residency… but there was something totally different about being the attending. Maybe this isn’t your problem, but my point is that a lot of people get nerves their first few years out of residency until you do a lot of cases and have complications that you figure out how to handle and grow from it. Most everything turns out ok in the end
Its always refreshing to hear I am not alone in that. It is completely different when it is your name
 
I really appreciate everyone's input, its always nice to know I'm not alone and this is a passing feeling. I've just been keeping in mind, patient's health comes first and foremost. I tend to take things way too personally, just working on findin that balance of caring but not letting every little thing get to me. I spend a lot of time preop setting expectations but it always ends up with someone complaining of their edema 1 month postop....
 
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I really appreciate everyone's input, its always nice to know I'm not alone and this is a passing feeling. I've just been keeping in mind, patient's health comes first and foremost. I tend to take things way too personally, just working on findin that balance of caring but not letting every little thing get to me. I spend a lot of time preop setting expectations but it always ends up with someone complaining of their edema 1 month postop....
Despite you spending a lot of time pre op, patients forget what you said 30 seconds later.

I spend a lot of time letting heel pain patients know that it’s rarely if ever the “heel spur” that is causing the pain. I let them know about plantar fasciitis/fasciosis, etc.

After all that explaining with diagrams, 9 out of 10 times I hear them go into the waiting room and tell their spouse “the doctor said I have a heel spur”. Ugh

So I would suggest you prepare a written version of your post op expectations and have them sign a copy.

I have an entire pre op folder I hand out. It works well and also makes the patient feel more “secure”.
 
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edema 1 month postop....
I dont think that there is a podiatrist or lower extremity surgeon in the world who doesnt get the "man everything is good except my swelling".

When I do preop I mention prolonged swelling at 3x so I can nail it home. I even tell them "In 3-6 months from now you are going to tell me about swelling I want you to remember this conversation". Then when they bring it up (100% of the time) I remind them.

I always tell them 6 months most of the swelling should be gone but will notice some swelling up to a year post surgery.
 
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