Specialties with good lifestyles

[daelroy]

If my thread, which has been beneficial both to myself and apparently to other people as well, gets closed because Fatsal couldn't shut the hell up, I am gonna be hella pissed.

Okay, I was going to ignore this thread like the 9,000 others who already have, but when the author of this lame thread has the nerve to get an attitude, someone has to educate this person. Do you really think your thread is original? Do you not realize this is probably the single most asked question on all of SDN? If you did a search, you would have probably come up with at least 100 threads asking this question in some manner. Don't worry if your thread gets shut down, just wait a few weeks because some other clueless member will ask this question instead of doing a search. Trust me, no one will feel at a loss if this thread gets shut down.

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[Rudy Guliani]

Hey Einstein, thanks for your opinion, no one asked you, so just go back to sleep. By the way, I am so happy to have someone like you to educate me. Please send me a brochure of your educational services so I can see which may be appropriate for me. I hope your tuition is not too high. Do you offer student loans?

Sincerely,

Rudy Guliani
Waiting for My Education

 

[daelroy]

Hey Einstein, thanks for your opinion, no one asked you, so just go back to sleep. By the way, I am so happy to have someone like you to educate me. Please send me a brochure of your educational services so I can see which may be appropriate for me. I hope your tuition is not too high. Do you offer student loans?

Sincerely,

Rudy Guliani
Waiting for My Education

Lesson 1: See the S E A R C H button. Type Lifestyle, specialties. Click on one of the hundred threads that come up.

Actually, you did ask me and everyone else what were the best lifestyle specialities in medicine. Normally, I wouldn't care if you posted a thread that has been asked hundreds of times in the past. I would ignore it. But since you were being rude to others, you should be aware that you look pretty stupid posting a thread that has been asked and responded to multiple times. You of all people shouldn't be calling others out; you're the genius who started this lame thread. In your next thread, why don't ask how much doctors make? Im sure that question has never been asked before either. Better yet, ask how long medical school is and what's the shortest residency.

 

[funkless]

Better yet, ask how long medical school is and what's the shortest residency.

Lemme see if I can fit in with this thread... Ahem... [loosens tie]


Medical school is three years long. The shortest residency is Hand Surgery, which is typically a first step toward a fellowship in OB/GYN. I know all of this because I used to be a guidance counselor, back in 1997 before I made millions in the stockmarket. I can't believe you didn't know all of this already.

[Does Elvis handtremor/hip shimmy/lip snurl] Thank you, thankyouverymuch...

--Funkless

 

[Rudy Guliani]

Einstein, I'm still waiting for my educational materials. Please send them post haste, as I am quite eager to begin my education at your hands. Please don't deny me more of your wisdom, it flows from you like a fountain.

Rudy Guliani
Still Waiting to Be Educated

 

[daelroy]

but I'm just going to answer your question just so you will shut the hell up.

Best Lifestyle fields

Internal Medicine - GI, Allergy, Rheum - GI is the best in regards to pay vs. lifetyle but it's extremely competitive and more competitive than cardiology

Anesthesiology- regular, pain fellowship- some call but you are earning surgeon type of salaries so a little call is okay.

PM&R- Physical Medicine and Rehabilitiation - great hours, money, almost no call. Problem is work is boring and undefined. Can be difficult finding a job in PM&R in chosen city.

Radiology - you know all about this one

Surgery- only the surgery subspecialties like Urology, ENT, orthopedic surgery(when you are finished it's nice), opthalmology. Optho offers the most cush lifestyle. Ortho surgery has a rough residency but their post residency life can be nice.

Radiation Oncology- great field, pay, lifestyle...extremely competitive. You should look into this if you like radiology. More hands on procedures

Hmmm....any sleeper residencies.......Family practice and then sports medicine fellowship can pay well and offer a great lifestyle. Oh yea, infertility. i don't know what the p.c. term is for it now. You have to do an OB/GYN residency first and then a fellowship in Infertility(whatever the new term is). Make 7 figures and have a great lifestyle.

 

[funkless]

Einstein, I'm still waiting for my educational materials. Please send them post haste, as I am quite eager to begin my education at your hands. Please don't deny me more of your wisdom, it flows from you like a fountain.

Rudy Guliani
Still Waiting to Be Educated

For the second part of your education, it's "Giuliani."

--Funkless

 

[Blake]

Neurosurgery

 

[Rudy Guliani]

hey funkless, by the way, i'm not the mayor of new york city...thanks for playing though.

 

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[yaah]

That chart's wrong. No way dermatologists work longer hours (albeit very slightly) than pathologists. I actually had a couple 13 hr days last week. It's still a cool chart though. You don't often see stuff like that - people seem to be afraid to publish stuff like that.

Residency pay is decidedly less than that, as I am learning.

Monthly salary ~ 2400 takehome, ~10-12 hrs/day. slightly over $10 an hour.

 

[Sessamoid]

12. EM 197.1/50 = $75.8/hr
http://medicine.wustl.edu/~residenc/outside/spec/byspec.html

The data is of questionable usefulness but it is at least an objective comparison.

I'll speak for EM and let the other specialists talk about theirs. Maybe the survey is accurate where they did the sample, but where I've worked (Texas, Florida, and California) that figure is vastly underestimated. First of all, I know of no EP that works 50 hours per week for any significant period of time after residency. More typical for us would be 35-40 hrs per week. $197K is in the right ball park, but probably 10-20% low for the median in my experience. EPs make from around $90/hour (at the very llow end) to $150-160 hour at the relatively high end, though some lucky ones make quite a bit more than that.

 

[Fermata]

I've always been curious to know what those hair transplant surgeons make and what their schedule is like.

 

[UseUrHeadFred]

I was bored, so I went to this site and compiled a list of specialty lifestyles as rated by a physician survey.

Personal Time: Does your work allow you to control the scheduling and amount of time spent on personal activities, (i.e., family, leisure)?

0 = Very Little Flexibility
10 = A Great Deal of Flexibility

Anesthesiology 5.5
Dermatology 7.8
Emergency Medicine 7.8
Family Medicine 6.5
General Surgery 5.9
Ophthalmology 7.0
Otolaryngology 6.5
Orthopaedic Surgery 6.5
Physical Medicine 6.8
Preventive Medicine 6.7
Radiology 6.1

Schedule: What type of schedule do you have in your work?

0 = Irregular Hours
10 = Regular Hours

Anesthesiology 4.2
Dermatology 7.7
Emergency Medicine 3.3
Family Medicine 6.4
General Surgery 3.3
Ophthalmology 6.7
Otolaryngology 5.8
Orthopaedic Surgery 4.2
Physical Medicine 7.1
Preventive Medicine 7.2
Radiology 6.7

 

[azcomdiddy]

1. Ortho 335.8/54.1 = $119.4/hr
2. Path 246.5/41.6 = $114.0/hr
3. Rad (Diag)/Rad Onc 327.7/58.5 = $107.7/hr
4. Optho 229.2/43.7 = $100.9/hr
5. Derm 219.5/42 = $100.5/hr

6. Neurosurg/plastics 275.2/59.6 = $88.8/hr
7. Urology 264.5/57.4 = $88.6/hr
8. Surg (gen) 263.7/58.2 = $87.1/hr
9. Anesth 244.7/58.7 = $80.2/hr
10. ENT 214.5/52.1 = $79.2/hr

11. OB/GYN 227/55.7 = $78.4/hr
12. EM 197.1/50 = $75.8/hr
13. Neurology 183.1/53.7 = $65.6/hr
14. Psych 145.7/44 = $63.7/hr
15. IM 164.1/55.6 = $56.8/hr

16. FP 146.5/50.7 = $55.6/hr
17. Peds 137.8/49.4 = $53.6/hr

http://medicine.wustl.edu/~residenc/outside/spec/byspec.html

The data is of questionable usefulness but it is at least an objective comparison.

there is no way Ortho earns more than neurosurgery and plastics on average. And you can't combine the work hours for both fields since they are vastly different. Neurosurgeons work far more than 59.6 hours per week on average. There is no way general surgeons earn more than ENT on average. I could go on

Highly flawed scale to say the least

 

[Mirror Form]

there is no way Ortho earns more than neurosurgery and plastics on average. And you can't combine the work hours for both fields since they are vastly different. Neurosurgeons work far more than 59.6 hours per week on average. There is no way general surgeons earn more than ENT on average. I could go on

Highly flawed scale to say the least

I agree that the scale is flawed, but I think ortho does in general earn more then plastics, at least as far as the hospital based docs go. Obviously the plastics guys in NYC who do face lifts all day are earning more then ortho.

 

[jkin]

Can anyone comment on RadOnc as it refers to the list? It was grouped with rads??? What are the hours like for RadOnc?

 

[scootad.]

8am-5pm M-F. only derm can boast better hours, but rad onc makes more dough per hour than derm (or probably any other specialty). A great gig, but a bit repetitive and possibly mind-numbing. Also crazy competitive.

 

[Fermata]

8am-5pm M-F. only derm can boast better hours, but rad onc makes more dough per hour than derm (or probably any other specialty). A great gig, but a bit repetitive and possibly mind-numbing. Also crazy competitive.

I know ophthos that would put those hours to shame.

 

[jkin]

I know most fields have doomsdayers that have some reason why a specific field is in trouble for the future. What is the deal with the future of radonc?

 

[jkin]

Does anyone know the website where you answer 100 Q's and it gives a list of what you should go into?

 

[DrMom]

Does anyone know the website where you answer 100 Q's and it gives a list of what you should go into?

http://www.med-ed.virginia.edu/specialties/

 

[deltamed]

You can't get a job like that anymore. But you could have back in 1997 when it was called the Dot.com gold rush baby! In all seriousness, it was completely due to the times. I also network well and developed a niche in my field of expertise which meant I could contract at a ridiculous rate. Problem is I was bored at my job and I didn't like what I did. It was incredibly boring. Trust me, you have to enjoy what you do on some level. Money isn't everything. I know I sound like I'm FOS and if my 1997 self read this, he would laugh and think I was FOS. But funny how life works. Yes, even you greedy bastards out there have a noble side that is just waiting to come out.

Sure you can. Ivy Leage College->Top 5 Law school-> Graduate making 140k/year at age 25; 200k/year if you want to work 80 hours a week. By age 30 you'll be topping 300-400k. If you make partner at age 35 you'll top a mill easily at most large firms.