Specializing before beginning HPSP Repayment

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Hi guys, I was wondering if anyone had any experiences regarding this topic. Is it possible to apply and then go through a civilian specialty program before going into active duty for HPSP?

Any insights are much appreciated!

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Hi guys, I was wondering if anyone had any experiences regarding this topic. Is it possible to apply and then go through a civilian specialty program before going into active duty for HPSP?

Any insights are much appreciated!

Why not specialize with the military?
 
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Hi guys, I was wondering if anyone had any experiences regarding this topic. Is it possible to apply and then go through a civilian specialty program before going into active duty for HPSP?

Any insights are much appreciated!

Yes, It's called FTOS (Full time out of service). Meaning you are going through a civilian residency and then you come on and do your time.
 
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Yes, It's called FTOS (Full time out of service). Meaning you are going through a civilian residency and then you come on and do your time.

Strictly speaking, that is not correct. There is a program called Active Duty Delay for Specialists in which one's commitment is put on hold and you go to civilian residency as a civilian (no pay or benefits) - but I haven't heard of anyone getting this anytime recently.

In an FTOS program you are considered active duty and will still have some basic requirements to fulfill as such.
 
Hi guys, I was wondering if anyone had any experiences regarding this topic. Is it possible to apply and then go through a civilian specialty program before going into active duty for HPSP?

Any insights are much appreciated!
Army does not allow this at this time.
 
Army does not allow this at this time.

Thanks! I thought this may be the case. I've been reading about specializing, and how going through the military AEGD program will make you a more competitive applicant when applying for a specialty program. Does this mean that if I choose to specialize as soon as one is able to during the HPSP repayment, I would have to first go through the AEGD just to be seen as competitive?

Thanks again guys!
 
Thanks! I thought this may be the case. I've been reading about specializing, and how going through the military AEGD program will make you a more competitive applicant when applying for a specialty program. Does this mean that if I choose to specialize as soon as one is able to during the HPSP repayment, I would have to first go through the AEGD just to be seen as competitive?

Thanks again guys!
No. However when you are being compared against the other applicants things like the AEGD may help you stand out. You can always apply to the specialty you want as a senior in dental school, and if you don't get selected have the 1 yr AEGD as your back up.
 
Hi guys, I was wondering if anyone had any experiences regarding this topic. Is it possible to apply and then go through a civilian specialty program before going into active duty for HPSP?

Any insights are much appreciated!

Yes, it is possible. I joined the Air Force on an HPSP scholarship my first year of dental school. Around my second year I realized I wanted to do a 6 year OMS residency. Unfortunately the AF didn't offer one, so I set about applying for deferment. Like everyone else has said, its not common. It basically took me putting in a few calls to the graduate dental education office and explaining my situation. They also wanted me to apply to their residency programs but I was insistent on doing a 6 year program so I could have a medical degree (would I make the same decision now...I don't know, four year programs look pretty good when you're studying for all your med school stuff...but thats another topic). Eventually my requests got me through to the oral surgeons in charge of their residencies, I had to do a phone interview. I think they were basically making sure I would match to a 6 year program in the civilian world. They also made me apply to their AEGD program as a backup in case I didn't match. However I did match and the rest is history. So I owe them the years they paid for my dental school, I'm not sponsored at all currently through residency (but the hospital pays my salary, so its all good).
 
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Yes, it is possible. I joined the Air Force on an HPSP scholarship my first year of dental school. Around my second year I realized I wanted to do a 6 year OMS residency. Unfortunately the AF didn't offer one, so I set about applying for deferment. Like everyone else has said, its not common. It basically took me putting in a few calls to the graduate dental education office and explaining my situation. They also wanted me to apply to their residency programs but I was insistent on doing a 6 year program so I could have a medical degree (would I make the same decision now...I don't know, four year programs look pretty good when you're studying for all your med school stuff...but thats another topic). Eventually my requests got me through to the oral surgeons in charge of their residencies, I had to do a phone interview. I think they were basically making sure I would match to a 6 year program in the civilian world. They also made me apply to their AEGD program as a backup in case I didn't match. However I did match and the rest is history. So I owe them the years they paid for my dental school, I'm not sponsored at all currently through residency (but the hospital pays my salary, so its all good).

I'm in the same situation as you but going for 4 year OMS in a civilian residency (possibly). Would you mind explaining more about how you went about the whole process? Not sure if I have to apply for the mandatory AEGD as well and the whole process is very poorly explained. Talked to the head guy out at Travis and it still wasn't super clear.
 
Not sure what branch you are but highly unlikely. At least with the army there has been difficulty in filling the four-year slots so until that changes, it is highly unlikely that anyone will be allowed to go for a six-year program which historically had to have been done in the civilian sector. Now if you want to do a four year program, you will almost certainly have to do it in the military setting because it is still offered there. The only reason they offered six your programs in the civilian sector is when they were not offered through the military and even those are off the table now for the army. Even if you were allowed to do a civilian residency, it would almost certainly have to be a six-year program and you would not be allowed to pay back your HPSP at the same time as the residency program ADSO. What that means for you is you would have to complete a six year residency, and then pay back six years for the residency and then another four years for HPSP not concurrently but consecutively. That means that if you got accepted and were allowed to start immediately, which is highly unlikely usually requiring a gap year after graduation, you would have at least 16 years in before you could draw a retention bonus. That absolutely does not make any financial sense. Unless you don’t care about the finances at all, there really is no reason to pursue the six-year civilian oral surgery residency. Unfortunately if you want the MD, the only way it makes sense to do is finish your military obligation, get out as soon as possible, and do it through the civilian sector without incurring any military obligation. If you want the four-year program, just do it through the military and be happy that the acceptance rates are so much higher than the civilian sector and enjoy the concurrent payback of the ADSOs
 
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