RVU, LECOM, or Saba???????

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Hi All-

I've got a really big decision. I need to choose between RVU, LECOM, and Saba. Each has advantages and disadvantages:

RVU has a nice campus but is a controversial school because of its for profit status. It is also new and I am concerned that I would be confined to family practice.

LECOM is less expensive but I'm not sure that I want to do med school independent study.

Saba has a good history of matching and is establish. However, it is a caribbean school in the middle of absolutely no where. Also, borrowing can be a little tricky for the 3rd and 4th years.

Can I get some thoughts?

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Hi All-

I've got a really big decision. I need to choose between RVU, LECOM, and Saba. Each has advantages and disadvantages:

RVU has a nice campus but is a controversial school because of its for profit status. It is also new and I am concerned that I would be confined to family practice.

LECOM is less expensive but I'm not sure that I want to do med school independent study.

Saba has a good history of matching and is establish. However, it is a caribbean school in the middle of absolutely no where. Also, borrowing can be a little tricky for the 3rd and 4th years.

Can I get some thoughts?

LECOM. It's not for-profit or Carribean.
 
Lecom, independent study is what most medical students prefer anyways. Anyways it'll cost you 1/2 that of what Saba costs and it'll put you into a residency of reasonable choice pretty much 100%. Not to mention you're still living in the US.
 
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IMHO, Lecom is a no brainer. Established U.S. school with a solid reputation.
 

The difference of tuition is easily off set by the many grand you'll be spending flying back and forth to the US for clinicals so you can ensure you have at least a halfway decent chance of matching primary care.
 
Why would you even consider a Caribbean when you have an LECOM acceptance?
 
LECOM- Erie has three tracks: Independent study, PBL, and lecture. You have your choice.

LECOM- Bradenton is PBL only

LECOM- Seton Hall is PBL only (I think)

You shouldn't feel like you would be locked into independent study unless that was your first choice. Either way you still have 2 months at the beginning to decide whether its for you. You can always switch into lecture later. I didn't do ISP because I didn't like the fact that each subject (i.e. biochem only had only large exam for the entire course vs lecture and PBL had about 6 exams for the course. Yikes to me. TOO much risk of failing in my book. I did the lecture and viewed it like a job, had to be there 8-5 to learn the material.
 
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How can there be any debate here?

Caribbean: fine if it's your only option...but it isn't.

RVU: New school with quite a bit of controversy surrounding it, and a completely unknown future.

Lecom: Well established and respected US school and very reasonable tuition.


So again, what is the debate?
 
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My brother attended SABA, as did his wife. They both told me it is quite scary on the island and they purposely try to make some people leave/fail in the med school.
 
The difference of tuition is easily off set by the many grand you'll be spending flying back and forth to the US for clinicals so you can ensure you have at least a halfway decent chance of matching primary care.

What?

Wouldn't you do your first two years on the island, and then do the next two years in the U.S.? Why would you be flying back-and-forth to the island during your clinical years?
 
This has to be a joke... Give me LECOM or give me death!!
 
Hi All-

I've got a really big decision. I need to choose between RVU, LECOM, and Saba. Each has advantages and disadvantages:

RVU has a nice campus but is a controversial school because of its for profit status. It is also new and I am concerned that I would be confined to family practice.

LECOM is less expensive but I'm not sure that I want to do med school independent study.

Saba has a good history of matching and is establish. However, it is a caribbean school in the middle of absolutely no where. Also, borrowing can be a little tricky for the 3rd and 4th years.

Can I get some thoughts?

Can't say this with 100% certainty but if I remember correctly during my interview at LECOM we were told that EVERY pathway has a seat in LDP if they want it. It might have been just that you could always sit in on lecture whenever you want, but it seemed like they made sure there was a lecture position for everyone, just in case. This would lead my to believe that if you didn't like ISP you could switch out.

I would select LECOM. (but I'm biased :D)
 
With Saba, you only spend 20 months on the island learning basic science from teachers before doing US rotations. Many of Saba's graduates go into competitive specialties like surgery, radiology, etc.

You are correct about RVU. Their mission is prepare students to do primary care in rural areas.

LECOM is essentially a for-profit school. You are expected to learn basic science from the other students for $30K/year.

I sincerely hope this is a sarcastic joke, cuz if its not, you have just won the most ignorant post of the day award for sure!
 
With Saba, you only spend 20 months on the island learning basic science from teachers before doing US rotations. Many of Saba's graduates go into competitive specialties like surgery, radiology, etc.

You are correct about RVU. Their mission is prepare students to do primary care in rural areas.

LECOM is essentially a for-profit school. You are expected to learn basic science from the other students for $30K/year.

:confused:

Apparently you're misinformed. (Unless you were being sarcastic :confused:)

From LECOM-E's Student Handbook. Here is the Lecture Discussion Pathway, you know, the one that contains ~75% of the students.(The other 25% preferred the other pathways) Yes, this would be the one where you are in class from 8-5, learning from, you know, professors. (Yes, I know that this is only in reference to LECOM-E. The point still stands)


LECOM Learning Pathways
The Lecture Discussion Pathway
Program Description
Lecture presentations and group tutorials are the heart of the Lecture/Discussion Pathway. Students usually spend the morning in lecture sessions and the afternoon in a combination of lectures, laboratories, tutorials, group discussions, and independent study where they have ample access to faculty members in the basic and clinical sciences. The Lecture/Discussion Pathway is ideal for those students who learn from a combination of presentations and readings and who are more comfortable in a teacher-directed environment.
The Lecture/Discussion Pathway is composed of the Core Curriculum (Phase I) and the Systems Curriculum (Phase II).
Core Curriculum – Phase I
The following courses are taught as part of the core curriculum:
Clinical Human Gross Anatomy – first 12 weeks of the first year
Embryology
Cell Biology/Histology
Microbiology/Immunology
Physiology
Pharmacology
Pathology
Osteopathic Principles and Practices
Medical Genetics
Introduction to Clinical Medicine (Doc Talk)
Health Care Management
Biochemistry
Systems Curriculum - Phase II
Phase II begins in the second semester of the first year and continues through the second year. An understanding of the etiology, pathophysiological ramifications, current diagnostic capabilities, and treatments of disease is fundamental to the development of the complete osteopathic primary care physician, as well as to the systems approach of medical education. With this premise, the basic and clinical science components of the LECOM Systems Curriculum concerned with each particular organ system of the body are integrated in classroom and group instruction/discussion.
Instructional materials presented within each particular system expand upon basic principles mastered during the Core Curriculum – Phase I. Preclinical topics consider each respective system from viewpoints of the basic science disciplines. As a complement, clinical perspectives
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are offered from the point of view of both the primary care physician as well as the respective specialist. This format of presentation not only promotes a better learning environment due to extensive integration/correlation of course material, but also provides a "real life" view of contemporary healthcare. Physicians must be acutely aware of the interrelationships between the practice of medicine and the business of medicine. The areas where these cross over are identified within the Health Care Management course, where emphasis is also placed on understanding managed care treatment protocols.
Other instructional modalities, proceeding concurrently within each respective system, are designed to reinforce, complement, and expand upon the actual coursework comprising each system. These modalities include, but are not limited to: Geriatric Medicine, Public Health and Preventative Medicine, Physical and Rehabilitative Medicine, Medical Ethics, Medical Jurisprudence, Emergency Medicine, Radiology and Pediatrics. Important aspects of Family Medicine and other presentations are introduced throughout the Systems as appropriate.
The osteopathic approach to patient care is continually emphasized, both philosophically and in practice, from the first day of class through graduation by means of lectures and laboratory demonstrations of manipulative techniques. Concepts of osteopathic philosophy and practice are included in all aspects of LECOM's educational programs whenever possible.
 
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With Saba, you only spend 20 months on the island learning basic science from teachers before doing US rotations. Many of Saba's graduates go into competitive specialties like surgery, radiology, etc.

You are correct about RVU. Their mission is prepare students to do primary care in rural areas.

LECOM is essentially a for-profit school. You are expected to learn basic science from the other students for $30K/year.

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With Saba, you only spend 20 months on the island learning basic science from teachers before doing US rotations. Many of Saba's graduates go into competitive specialties like surgery, radiology, etc.

You are correct about RVU. Their mission is prepare students to do primary care in rural areas.

LECOM is essentially a for-profit school. You are expected to learn basic science from the other students for $30K/year.

patently incorrect info here. Well the RVU part is accurate, but leaves out that its pretty controversy ridden.

As someone else said. LECOM > RVCOM >>> Any Carib school.
 
LECOM for sure out of those three. I originally thought that I would need lectures to get through medical school, but when you have to sit through eight hours of dense lectures every day, they actually do more harm than good. You'll end up only really paying attention during the first one or two hours, and then you'll go home and learn the other six on your own, just like independent study. It's so much easier to just do independent study and save yourself the six wasted hours of your day. Plus, the independent study modules are really easy to work through. They give us objective questions to answer with the reading, which basically makes you a study guide when you're finished. The exams then are written solely from material covered in the objectives. I took C's during anatomy block with lectures, and with independent study modules, I've pulled almost straight A's just because my time is being used more efficiently. As long as you can push yourself to break up the module and do a bit every day, you'll be set. I will say without any hesitation that if you go to LECOM don't do anything but independent study. The lecture and PBL folks seem miserable just about 24/7.
 
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LECOM is less expensive but I'm not sure that I want to do med school independent study.

First of all, it seems like most medical students say they learn a lot more studying on their own time. Secondly, all independent study students in Erie also have a seat in the lectures open to them if they want to go. Finally, go into the lecture pathway if you don't like ISP. It's my understanding that transferring out of PBL or ISP into LDP is fairly simple. Don't go to the other schools.
 
You should really try and get into St George's University before considering Saba.

You should really get out of this thread and stop spreading misleading information.

Sure, SGU > Saba, but the order in which one should choose where to obtain their medical education is: US MD > US DO >>> Caribbean MD. Attending a Caribbean school is much too risky and should only be an option if you cannot gain entrance to a US MD/DO school or if you have some kind of inferiority-complex and require the "M.D." intials :rolleyes:
 
Caribbean is a last ditch effort. Don't go if you have an acceptance to any US school. I don't care if it's a new, for profit, built in a barn, endorsed by a cult, etc ... the opportunities are simply far greater than from the Caribbean.
 
I think we should stop persuading people who want to go Caribbean over DO to choose DO. More spots will be open to people who haven't applied to med school yet.
 
Caribbean is a last ditch effort. Don't go if you have an acceptance to any US school. I don't care if it's a new, for profit, built in a barn, endorsed by a cult, etc ... the opportunities are simply far greater than from the Caribbean.

lol
 
Caribbean is a last ditch effort. Don't go if you have an acceptance to any US school. I don't care if it's a new, for profit, built in a barn, endorsed by a cult, etc ... the opportunities are simply far greater than from the Caribbean.

in a tangent that is totally not joke: apparently TouroNV was apparently built out of an old silo/depot. So they just might be the school that is built in a barn. :-D
 
in a tangent that is totally not joke: apparently TouroNV was apparently built out of an old silo/depot. So they just might be the school that is built in a barn. :-D

KCOM has a "historical hall"/museum when you first enter one section of the school, and inside is the original "American School of Osteopathy" - which is a two room, tiny, old school house, and A.T.'s birth home (log cabin) ... probably the closest I'll get to med school in a barn! Hahaha.
 
I go to the least of the LECOMs, the one that was built in a basement, is endorsed by a cult, and does take 30K for not teaching you - and I agree with the 95% of other posters who advise you to choose LECOM.

Also, everyone from our program who wanted to transfer up to Erie LDP was able to do so - you won't be left to study on your own if you don't like it.
 
0, 1, or 2 people matching rads (good for them :)) is not "many", especially when the school has a class size of almost 300 (90-95 per class x 3 classes a year).

2007-2010 Saba match results: http://www.saba.edu/saba/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=47&Itemid=53

As far as I can tell, all or nearly all of the general surgery spots are 'preliminary.' I couldn't find a single one that for sure matched categorical into a program. That plastic surgery one looks legit though.
 
There is a great deal of defense of LECOM on this thread. Maybe LECOM-E is different than LECOM-B. I interviewed at LECOM-B and was really disappointed. The whole day was spent trying to sell us on the PBL/independent study program. During the day, I sat in on a 2 hour PBL session. The whole time I was thinking, what is LECOM providing these students besides a room with a table and chairs? During the session, the students identified some factual inaccuracy in the case they were studing but only had themselves to ask questions to. It seems somewhat obvious that LECOM-B is a for profit business. 30K/year to be provided with tables and chairs. With a business model like that, no wonder they are continuing to expand.

On a less serious note, who came up with the names Rocky Vista and Lake Erie College. RVU sounds like one of those strip mall colleges where you can become a medical transcriptionist or paralegal in 4 weeks. Regarding LECOM, they should really change the name if they are going to have campuses that are not in Erie, PA. It sounds rediculous to say that you go to Lake Erie College in Florida.

*ahem*...



Troll more troll, troll more.
 
On a less serious note, who came up with the names Rocky Vista and Lake Erie College. RVU sounds like one of those strip mall colleges where you can become a medical transcriptionist or paralegal in 4 weeks.

ding ding ding ding. That is the correct answer. Rod Roddy, tell him what he's won!
 
There is a great deal of defense of LECOM on this thread. Maybe LECOM-E is different than LECOM-B. I interviewed at LECOM-B and was really disappointed. The whole day was spent trying to sell us on the PBL/independent study program. During the day, I sat in on a 2 hour PBL session. The whole time I was thinking, what is LECOM providing these students besides a room with a table and chairs? During the session, the students identified some factual inaccuracy in the case they were studing but only had themselves to ask questions to. It seems somewhat obvious that LECOM-B is a for profit business. 30K/year to be provided with tables and chairs. With a business model like that, no wonder they are continuing to expand.

1. The entire school is a PBL model, and as you saw first hand, PBL is definitely NOT for everyone. It would be blatantly irresponsible for the school not to stress PBL and make sure it's right for the interviewing students on the day they visit the school. Granted, I've heard the same complaint about where the tuition goes, but ...

2. I don't see how it's obvious that LECOM-B is a for-profit business as its federal US tax code is filed as a not-for-profit model. So, I suppose we have two options: 1. rely on your opinions and anecdotal experience with LECOM's atmosphere or 2. rely on facts, federal laws, filed documentation, and proof.

Hmmm ... which to choose, which to choose??

Furthermore, if you want to discuss a legitimate for-profit-business model ... look no further than the Caribbean medical schools that are CLASSIFIED legally as for-profit-business like every other COMPANY out there in the US.

On a less serious note, who came up with the names Rocky Vista and Lake Erie College. RVU sounds like one of those strip mall colleges where you can become a medical transcriptionist or paralegal in 4 weeks. Regarding LECOM, they should really change the name if they are going to have campuses that are not in Erie, PA. It sounds rediculous to say that you go to Lake Erie College in Florida.

Very, very weak straw man. Additionally, I don't think 'Rocky Vista University' is going to raise more eyebrows than a doctor saying 'I attended the American University of the Caribbean!' That sounds like a program taught in a bungalow and named by Borat.
 
OK. Based solely on names, I recommend Saba>LECOM-E>RVU>LECOM-B.

Saba has the best name. Although, it does kind of sound like it is a foreign school. LECOM-E edges out RVU because it is legitimately named. It is in Erie, PA. RVU barely edges out LECOM-B. Sure, Rocky Vista University sounds like a strip mall college where your degree is signed by Sally Struther. However, LECOM-B just doesn't make any sense. Lake Erie College in Florida?? Huh??

I don't know what you're smoking, but Saba sounds like some kind of hummus or salsa brand :laugh:
 
Your point is still ******ed though.
 
OK. Based solely on names, I recommend Saba>LECOM-E>RVU>LECOM-B.

Saba has the best name. Although, it does kind of sound like it is a foreign school. LECOM-E edges out RVU because it is legitimately named. It is in Erie, PA. RVU barely edges out LECOM-B. Sure, Rocky Vista University sounds like a strip mall college where your degree is signed by Sally Struther. However, LECOM-B just doesn't make any sense. Lake Erie College in Florida?? Huh??

You may be correct. I still think it sounds better than the alternatives. I do not hear you defending which name you like the best.

You know what sounds even better than Saba, SGU, AUC, etc ....

"residency," which is what you need to be concerned with, which is why choosing a Caribbean school over any US medical school ESPECIALLY based on name is the most asinine thing I've heard thus far today.
 
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