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[novacek88]

No point in quibbling over the numbers, regardless if you are a rads resident and close to finishing it time to check out the Bentley Arnage model you want...because your stinkin rich regardless.

Not quite, there are some catches to these partnership tracks. A lof of parternships require buyouts. The way it works is that you must work for a firm for a given number of years and then you are given an opportunity to "buy" your share of the company which varies but I have heard some companies charge half a million dollars to become a partner.

The point is if it sounds too good to be true, it usually is. There is always a catch or a hidden cost.

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[bigfrank]

To me, it sounds like an investment with a mega-payoff.

 

[Whisker Barrel Cortex]

You also have to watch out for some of the predatory groups out there. They start at 250K and give promises of 600K when you become partner in 1-2 years. Then they tell you at the end of that time that you will not make partner. The 350K they save from your salary is then used to recruit the next sap. Florida has a bad reputation for this.

 

[SoCalRULES!!!!!]

^That could also be becuase they think you are a chump. No one wants to hang out with a chump for the rest of his career. If you are cool and competent, of course they will keep you around.

You gotta remember that people right out of residency still don't know that much and can't work with the same efficency as someone who has practiced for 20 years and seen it all. They have to take time showing you the ropes and helping you out and double checking your work. You don't deserve equal share until you can do equal work.

 

[novacek88]

To me, it sounds like an investment with a mega-payoff.

If it is going to require 500K buyout, you might as well start your own group and keep all the profits to yourself or recruit other partners.

 

[Whisker Barrel Cortex]

^That could also be becuase they think you are a chump. No one wants to hang out with a chump for the rest of his career. If you are cool and competent, of course they will keep you around.

You gotta remember that people right out of residency still don't know that much and can't work with the same efficency as someone who has practiced for 20 years and seen it all. They have to take time showing you the ropes and helping you out and double checking your work. You don't deserve equal share until you can do equal work.

I am sure this is the case in some practices. These are not the ones I am talking about. There are ones that have a reputation because they have done this over and over again and are obviously trying to take advantage of the new guy.

 

[novacek88]

I am sure this is the case in some practices. These are not the ones I am talking about. There are ones that have a reputation because they have done this over and over again and are obviously trying to take advantage of the new guy.

Exactly, it's basically a scam. Unfortunately, it's difficult for recent graduates and medical students to identify these groups. They seem innocent enough on the surface. The only way to truly detect these groups is by talking to a radiologist in the area you plan on settling down in. Whatever you do, do not take someone's word at face value. Do your research. Buyer Beware

I personally feel the large buyout is a scam too. Most places will have buyouts these days but 500K+ is a little shady

 

[The_Id]

Some of my friends who did residency in NYC, and are currently looking for jobs in NYC say that the job market is fairly oversaturated (as is usually the case with healthcare jobs in NYC). The starting salary in private practice without a fellowship is around $150k, with a fellowship is around $180k. VIR would be more I assume...

 

[Dr. Steve Urkel]

Some of my friends who did residency in NYC, and are currently looking for jobs in NYC say that the job market is fairly oversaturated (as is usually the case with healthcare jobs in NYC). The starting salary in private practice without a fellowship is around $150k, with a fellowship is around $180k. VIR would be more I assume...

your friends lied...

Diagnostic Radiologist
New York
Lovely community in Southern New York state has a need for a General Dignostic Radiologist. You will be joining a private Radiology practice on a one year partnership track. The group currently has three Radiologists and is seeking a fourth associate due to an increase in their caseload. General Diagnostic Radiology duties include MRI, CT, Ultrasound and Mammography. They also have Nuclear Radiology facilities if you have an interest in that area. They offer a relaxed schedule: Regular Hours are 8:30-5:30 weekdays only with Teleradiology coverage at night and on weekends. Starting salary is $300K with $500K at partnership. 8 weeks vacation plus regular attendance at all ARC and NY Medical Society conferences.
For more information on job #06450, call
A.J. Rachele at 800-372-7716,
or submit your C.V.


Email: [email protected]
Fax: 641-472-8430

these are real job offers:

http://mpasi.com/search-jobs.php#

 

[LADoc00]

your friends lied...

Diagnostic Radiologist
New York
Lovely community in Southern New York state has a need for a General Dignostic Radiologist. You will be joining a private Radiology practice on a one year partnership track. The group currently has three Radiologists and is seeking a fourth associate due to an increase in their caseload. General Diagnostic Radiology duties include MRI, CT, Ultrasound and Mammography. They also have Nuclear Radiology facilities if you have an interest in that area. They offer a relaxed schedule: Regular Hours are 8:30-5:30 weekdays only with Teleradiology coverage at night and on weekends. Starting salary is $300K with $500K at partnership. 8 weeks vacation plus regular attendance at all ARC and NY Medical Society conferences.
For more information on job #06450, call
A.J. Rachele at 800-372-7716,
or submit your C.V.


Email: [email protected]
Fax: 641-472-8430

these are real job offers:

http://mpasi.com/search-jobs.php#

Thank you, I will now go blow my brains out.

 

[russellb]

'Southern NY state" doesn't necessarily mean NYC. Given the 1 year partnership track, I highly doubt that the location is very desirable.

 

[Dr. Steve Urkel]

'Southern NY state" doesn't necessarily mean NYC. Given the 1 year partnership track, I highly doubt that the location is very desirable.

so...

 

[russellb]

so...

The Id said:

Some of my friends who did residency in NYC, and are currently looking for jobs in NYC say that the job market is fairly oversaturated (as is usually the case with healthcare jobs in NYC). The starting salary in private practice without a fellowship is around $150k, with a fellowship is around $180k.

You replied:

your friends lied...

But the job offer you posted isn't likely near NYC. It's probably in a small, relatively rural community.

 

[Dr. Steve Urkel]

The Id said:

Some of my friends who did residency in NYC, and are currently looking for jobs in NYC say that the job market is fairly oversaturated (as is usually the case with healthcare jobs in NYC). The starting salary in private practice without a fellowship is around $150k, with a fellowship is around $180k.

You replied:

your friends lied...

But the job offer you posted isn't likely near NYC. It's probably in a small, relatively rural community.

are these locations rural...hmmm, long island, downstate, central state

New York
Long Island based Radiology practice needs an addtional General Diagnostic Radiologist to handle a varied caseload including MR, CT, Utrasound and Plain Films. The group practices at two hospitals and also has seven outpatient imaging centers. Starting salary will be in the $275K range with $350K+ once you are established. For more information on job #05312, call
A.J. Rachele at 800-372-7716,
or submit your C.V.


Email: [email protected]
Fax: 641-472-8430




New York
Expanding private Radiology practice in Downstate New York is looking for a Diagnostic Radiologist with strong training and/or experience in Women's Imaging. Your caseload will consist of 50-70% Women's Imaging studies depending on your specific training and interests. You will be joining a sixteen member group which practices at both hospital and outpatient center sites in the downstate area. The group utilizes a PACS system and has retained a Nighthawk service for both weekday and weekend coverage. Initial salary will be in the $250-290K range with $450K at partnership.
For more information on job #05588, call
A.J. Rachele at 800-372-7716,
or submit your C.V.


Email: [email protected]
Fax: 641-472-8430


Diagnostic Radiologist
New York
Large Radiology group serving several hospitals in Central New York state is looking for an additional General Diagnostic Radiologist to be focused mainly on one hospital in the area with some backup coverage responsibilities for a second hospital. You will handle a variety of General Diagnostic Radiology cases including MR, CT and Ultrasound (no Angiography). They have a state of the art digital image transmission system. Starting compensation will be $350K with income potential of $600-800K after two years. Benefits include a company car. For more information on job #05301, call
A.J. Rachele at 800-372-7716,
or submit your C.V.

http://mpasi.com/search-jobs.php#

 

[bigfrank]

OK, so it's not as "dismal" as others are painting it to be.

On a similar note, I was speaking with a rads resident today and she informed me that the best jobs are filled without the use of internet postings. More good news.

 

[camisho]

russelb, I LOVE the icon...go Habs go!

Bigfrank, I LOVE the quote from the Pumpkins!

Apparently radiology people have excellent taste

 

[Dr. Steve Urkel]

OK, so it's not as "dismal" as others are painting it to be.

On a similar note, I was speaking with a rads resident today and she informed me that the best jobs are filled without the use of internet postings. More good news.

right

 

[bigfrank]

Apparently radiology people have excellent taste

Of course!!!!!

 

[russellb]

On a similar note, I was speaking with a rads resident today and she informed me that the best jobs are filled without the use of internet postings. More good news.

I would agree with her.

russelb, I LOVE the icon...go Habs go!

If only there were a hockey season so that I could watch my beloved Habs

 

[The_Id]

your friends lied...

Diagnostic Radiologist
New York
Lovely community in Southern New York state has a need for a General Dignostic Radiologist. You will be joining a private Radiology practice on a one year partnership track. The group currently has three Radiologists and is seeking a fourth associate due to an increase in their caseload. General Diagnostic Radiology duties include MRI, CT, Ultrasound and Mammography. They also have Nuclear Radiology facilities if you have an interest in that area. They offer a relaxed schedule: Regular Hours are 8:30-5:30 weekdays only with Teleradiology coverage at night and on weekends. Starting salary is $300K with $500K at partnership. 8 weeks vacation plus regular attendance at all ARC and NY Medical Society conferences.
For more information on job #06450, call
A.J. Rachele at 800-372-7716,
or submit your C.V.


Email: [email protected]
Fax: 641-472-8430

these are real job offers:

http://mpasi.com/search-jobs.php#

Why would anyone deflate their salary offers to a fellow resident???
Anyhow, just to clarify, I meant jobs in Manhattan, which are highly coveted and really difficult to come by because all these young Manhattan-addicted people will make any sacrifices to live and work in Manhattan. The job that you posted is NOT in Manhattan, and not even in NYC proper. That changes things drastically. You can definitely find some good jobs that are in commuting distance of Manhattan, so that you can live in the city and drive an hour or so to your job. But that is a sacrifice (a 30-50% pay cut) that plenty of people are not willing to take. (yes, I think they are crazy too)

 

[Whodathunkit]

But I think the 4 pages, 60+ replies(the most number of replies a thread has had in this entire forum ), and 5800 views (the most views any thread has had in this entire forum)say otherwise.

 

[Whisker Barrel Cortex]

But I think the 4 pages, 60+ replies(the most number of replies a thread has had in this entire forum ), and 5800 views (the most views any thread has had in this entire forum)say otherwise.

I propose you give away all of your income except what you can live on to charity, given you lack of interest in making money. When you do that, please come back and post your asinine comments again and I will be happy to admit you are a great person.

Also, do not attempt to read imaging studies to make extra money since that just shows how money hungry you are.

At one point a few months ago, three of the top ten posts in the neurology board were about neurologist salaries. I geuss that goes to show how money is not a factor for other specialists.

 

[14022]

How many people here wanted to go into radiology before they found out their earning potential and lifestyle? How many truely love radiology or just like/tolerate the work but are primarily interested in salary and lifestyle?

I am by no means discounting the importance of these two factors in choosing a career. I want to make millions as much as the next guy. I am not passing judgment by asking this question. I am just curious as to how the number of people interested in radiology in my class tripled half-way through the third year of med school without any of them even taking an elective in the field.

 

[Whodathunkit]

I propose you give away all of your income except what you can live on to charity, given you lack of interest in making money. When you do that, please come back and post your asinine comments again and I will be happy to admit you are a great person.

Never said I wasn't interested in making money. Crap, with >$100,000 in debt, I'd like to pay my loans off somehow(and sometime). But it seems as though it's always a hot button with you guys when we mention that money is in fact a major decision factor for many of you...as evidenced by the major thread interest.

Also, do not attempt to read imaging studies to make extra money since that just shows how money hungry you are.

I don't plan on doing such. I'm not a neurologist or in a field that would try to take away business from you. Although I do plan on reading my own films(in addition to reading the rads report or getting a personal opinion from the friendly radiologist, if they are available. Shucks, if they are gonna read it anyway and get paid, mind as well make them work a little for it by actually discussing it with me), and I will agree to disagree with some things they see. That phrase you guys use, "correlate with clinical exam" is sometimes pretty helpful.

At one point a few months ago, three of the top ten posts in the neurology board were about neurologist salaries. I geuss that goes to show how money is not a factor for other specialists.

I was just making an observation...jeez, you'd think you guys would be more chipper considering the hours you work and the money you make.

 

[scootad.]

actually the hours in rads (esp residency) aren't so great. dont confuse us with derm or rad onc.

 

[salmonella]

How is radiologists' salary affected by the medicare reimbursement cut starting 1/2007?

 

[f_w]

The medicare cuts mainly affect the technical component of the fees in outpatient imaging centers. So groups working exclusively at a hospital (living off the professional component of the fee) won't be affected to a great extent (not more than other physicians, I believe it is a 4% cut). Groups who own outpatient imaging centers will note the profitability of these ventures to drop (technical fees are going to drop by 20-40% depending on your case mix).

 

[jon62781]

I find all these posts kinda funny.....

Basically, anyone doing radiology, or most other specialties in medicine, will not go hungry.....

In fact, you will have a great life compared to the average American. You will probably drive a Range Rover, or some other ridiculously expensive car, you will have a vacation home, and your wife will probably stay with you for the money..... Probably!

Just do what makes you happy and quit being concerned about the money.... If you are so worried about the money, find some Telerads job where you only work half the year and moonlight the rest..... Or kidnap someone important and hold them for ransom!

 

[f_w]

> I find all these posts kinda funny.....

You will find them funny until you have to feed a family.

> Basically, anyone doing radiology, or most other specialties
> in medicine, will not go hungry.....

Actually, a pediatrician in a metro practice making 90k pushing a 250k heap of school debt might go hungry.

> In fact, you will have a great life compared to the average
> American. You will probably drive a Range Rover, or some
> other ridiculously expensive car, you will have a vacation
> home, and your wife will probably stay with you for the
> money..... Probably!

Any more stereotypes you can offer ?

> Just do what makes you happy and quit being concerned
> about the money....

The only people who don't care about money are either bitterly poor or they have a well filled trust-fund. The rest of us unfortunately have to concern ourselves with such earthly questions.

 

[krachenfels89]

http://www.locumtenens.com/radiology-careers/2005-radiology-salary-survey-report.pdf
and
http://www.locumtenens.com/radiology-careers/2005-radiology-salary-survey-report.pdf

 

[ObGyn]

> I find all these posts kinda funny.....

You will find them funny until you have to feed a family.

> Basically, anyone doing radiology, or most other specialties
> in medicine, will not go hungry.....

Actually, a pediatrician in a metro practice making 90k pushing a 250k heap of school debt might go hungry.

> In fact, you will have a great life compared to the average
> American. You will probably drive a Range Rover, or some
> other ridiculously expensive car, you will have a vacation
> home, and your wife will probably stay with you for the
> money..... Probably!

Any more stereotypes you can offer ?

> Just do what makes you happy and quit being concerned
> about the money....

The only people who don't care about money are either bitterly poor or they have a well filled trust-fund. The rest of us unfortunately have to concern ourselves with such earthly questions.

agree absolutely

 

[cliffhanger]

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[jon62781]

> I find all these posts kinda funny.....

You will find them funny until you have to feed a family.

> Basically, anyone doing radiology, or most other specialties
> in medicine, will not go hungry.....

Actually, a pediatrician in a metro practice making 90k pushing a 250k heap of school debt might go hungry.

> In fact, you will have a great life compared to the average
> American. You will probably drive a Range Rover, or some
> other ridiculously expensive car, you will have a vacation
> home, and your wife will probably stay with you for the
> money..... Probably!

Any more stereotypes you can offer ?

> Just do what makes you happy and quit being concerned
> about the money....

The only people who don't care about money are either bitterly poor or they have a well filled trust-fund. The rest of us unfortunately have to concern ourselves with such earthly questions.

Time for my rebuttal.....

I said I find posts like this kinda funny..... It shows exactly what people expect to get out of their medical education. And while I do not yet have a family to raise, plenty of people in this world are raising theirs without making 800K a year.

As far as the pediatrician who is struggeling by on 90K a year, let me remind you that is more that TWICE the average HOUSEHOLD INCOME FOR THE TYPICAL AMERIAN FAMILY! And, no, the typical american family doesn't have 250K in debt. But let's say the pediatrician brings home 90K (and by the way that is the bargain basement price for a pediatrician, most make more than that, but I will give you the bottom 5% of salaries) And lets say the pediatrican is married, and his/her spouse makes 20K..... Once again, we are low-balling it here. That's 110K. Now, he won't be eating steak every night, but he's not living off Ramen Noodles either.

Secondly, people who make alot of money drive nice cars and have nice homes. If you don't believe me, drive through the "ritsy" part of whatever town you live in and count the ration of cars over 50K to under.


I actually, for the record, have no trust fund. I grew up in a middle class working family. No Range Rovers here. I am also not bitter, even though I am a little pissed off with you. So, in conclusion, let's keep it in perspective folks...... Physicians make a hell of a lot more money than the average american, and Radiologists make a hell of a lot more money than the average physician. If you want to do it for the money, that's fine! I hope you enjoy your miserable life, toiling away for what you obviously consider an unacceptable salary!

http://www.census.gov/hhes/income/income03/statemhi.html

 

[cdql]

If you want to do it for the money, that's fine! I hope you enjoy your miserable life, toiling away for what you obviously consider an unacceptable salary!

Hmm...that does sound quite awful.

Now that we've established what I don't want, who do I contact if I want to "do" a particular medical specialty for the money, enjoy my glorious life, and merely work 20 hours a week for what I consider to be a highly exorbitant salary?

 

[f_w]

And while I do not yet have a family to raise, plenty of people in this world are raising theirs without making 800K a year.

I don't think anyone argued that you need that kind of money.

As far as the pediatrician who is struggeling by on 90K a year, let me remind you that is more that TWICE the average HOUSEHOLD INCOME FOR THE TYPICAL AMERIAN FAMILY!

Ahem, the median family income was $55823 (2005 american community survey, the update to the 200 census). What do you think the average income for a family with the income earner holding a masters degree would be ?

And, no, the typical american family doesn't have 250K in debt.

And the average US medschool graduate has only 140k, you tried to tell me that all physicians are rich, I just wanted to point to one example where the actual expendable income is pretty measly.

But let's say the pediatrician brings home 90K (and by the way that is the bargain basement price for a pediatrician, most make more than that, but I will give you the bottom 5% of salaries)

Thats why I said in a metro practice. Plenty of people in specialties like IM, FP and peds who work for this kind of money.

And lets say the pediatrican is married, and his/her spouse makes 20K..... Once again, we are low-balling it here. That's 110K. Now, he won't be eating steak every night, but he's not living off Ramen Noodles either.

Sure, and if his spouse is an investment banker, he can have caviar for breakfast lunch and dinner.

Secondly, people who make alot of money drive nice cars and have nice homes. If you don't believe me, drive through the "ritsy" part of whatever town you live in and count the ration of cars over 50K to under.

And again your prejudices run away with your imagination. There are plenty of people who make 'lots of money' who live in your average house in your average neighbourhood. I know how much everyone in my group makes, and there is absolutely no correlation between the number on the distribution statement and the car they drive. The choice of car and the choice of a ritzy neighbourhood depends on the impression someone wants to make, nothing else. Plenty of people with little money drive pretentious cars while others who make good money show up in their 3 year old camry.

Physicians make a hell of a lot more money than the average american, and Radiologists make a hell of a lot more money than the average physician.

Both facts nobody has disputed.

I hope you enjoy your miserable life, toiling away for what you obviously consider an unacceptable salary!

Oh, I enjoy my life (I make 'lots of money', live in my very average home and drive a 5 year old subaru. no vacation home, no range rover)

 

[HamOnWholeWheat]

Actually, a pediatrician in a metro practice making 90k pushing a 250k heap of school debt might go hungry.

...

I just wanted to point to one example where the actual expendable income is pretty measly.

I think that's what the previous poster was getting at. Someone who describes not having sufficient "expendable" income as being synonymous with "going hungry" might need a reality check. It just sounds like a rich guy being melodramatic, and that's probably the attitude the poster was detecting. No offense intended.

HamOn

 

[asif7083]

i must say, some of the advertised salaries are high, 350k to 600k at partnership.