can u tell me what is your starts? r u international dentist ?
Has anybody applied their..? please let us know
....I know of at least 3 schools that have made offers! ...
...I won't do it if I were U....
Hello everyone,
I recently got accepted into a Prosthodontics program and am still studying my options. I have several questions that I want to get inputs from you guys.
1. Why are very few U.S. graduate dentists want to specialize in Prostho? I visited a couple programs and rarely see any U.S. trained residents.
>> Few U.S trained students do go in for Prostho, it's not like they do not go at all. The thing is postgraduate training is time-consuming, so only people who are sure about their choice go in. Also, many U.S students look for Programs that pay stipend, depends on which schools you are looking at
2. If general dentists can do pretty much all of the things that a Prosthodontist does (fixed, remov,...), why and how much of referrals can a Prosthodontist get?
>> Prostho post-graduates usually get full mouth rehabs, multiple implants, etc
3. Is it worth going for 3 additional years of training
>> This depends on you. Do you really think, if there was nothing more to learn they would have residency program for three years?
with lots of labworks and nights and weekends away from your family? Is it worth the investment (time/money/lost income)?
>> This depends on your personal choice. Is it worth the time? Of course yes, you are learning something there. Regarding the lost income- you do not have to go for a program that requires you to pay fees, you can opt for residency program that pays you stipend. You can refinance your loans.
4. How much more (percent-wise) are Prostho's fees as compared to general practitioners?
5. How much more (percent-wise) are Prosthodontists average NET income as compared to GP?
Sorry, no clue @ these
6. Is it even possible to moonlight when you do Prosth residency or would it be impossible due to the amount of labworks?
From what I have seen -after meeting a few residents is that, you will hardly have time even to eat food, forget moon-lighting. Even if you do not have patients on a rare occasion, you will have an over-whelming amount of lab-work, seminars, presentations and conferences to attend
Thank you for your inputs.
Not a lot of US trained dentists opt for Pros,becoz. most of it is taught in dental school. FTD who need means to stay in US usually go for Pros...now working overtime, away from family for 3 additional yrs is NOT worth it....but some "bachelors" prefer to stay in the lab/school as they don't have anyone waiting @ home..Avg GP's make in excess of $200K--400K..some Pros. trained sometimes DON'T even come close. U Decide...I won't do it if I were U.
Hello everyone,
I recently got accepted into a Prosthodontics program and am still studying my options. I have several questions that I want to get inputs from you guys.
1. Why are very few U.S. graduate dentists want to specialize in Prostho?
No idea, I assume it is because they think they know enough and after 8 years of study and paying for school they want to get out into the real world and earn cash, a lot of them then probably get caught by the money bug and never come back or fear coming back. A lot of dental students are young and perhaps naive enough to think they can restore any case that comes there way because they did a crown or bridge or denture before! You realise you are nowhere near specialty level of knowledge or skill, but only after you enter into prosth training!
2. If general dentists can do pretty much all of the things that a Prosthodontist does (fixed, remov,...), why and how much of referrals can a Prosthodontist get?
Plenty, firstly there is NO WAY that a general dentist can do what a prosthodontist can do, this is not realised until you see what prosthodontists can do. Just because in dental school they do a few RPDs and FPDs or Crowns it doesnt mean that you can do anything like that to the degree of accuracy and detail as a prosthodontist. Firstly the cases you get as a dental student are pre-selected in most schools for a dental student, anything more difficult is sent off to prostho. A lot of prosthodontists get referred work that generals simply cant do, or have tried to do then realised they have messed everything up and now need to refer the pt. I have seen that with nearly all prosth pt's they have been everywhere else and still cant find a solution to their problem.
3. Is it worth going for 3 additional years of training with lots of labworks and nights and weekends away from your family? Is it worth the investment (time/money/lost income)?
Yes, there was a study actually done on this by Nash, they showed that prosth was worth the time, expense and lost income over 3 years when everything was taken into account. They then showed that prosthodontists then earn more also over a LIFETIME, we are pretty young man we have all our life to pay back for a better skill and more interesting cases. Also surprisingly prosth has the highest dollar value in money invested in it compared to any other specialty, even that surprised me but its true.
4. How much more (percent-wise) are Prostho's fees as compared to general practitioners?
Depends, its really case and location and specialist dependant but they are more!! Definitely!
5. How much more (percent-wise) are Prosthodontists average NET income as compared to GP?
If you have a look at Forbes top ten earners there is no sign of a general dentist! If you look for the Nash paper there % is in there, it may be around 20% im only guessing here, but thats 20% more per year for life!!
6. Is it even possible to moonlight when you do Prosth residency or would it be impossible due to the amount of labworks?
Depends on the program you select! Its not impossible! Just dont go to a crap program!
Hope this helps, again this is what i know!
Not a lot of US trained dentists opt for Pros,becoz. most of it is taught in dental school. FTD who need means to stay in US usually go for Pros...now working overtime, away from family for 3 additional yrs is NOT worth it....but some "bachelors" prefer to stay in the lab/school as they don't have anyone waiting @ home..Avg GP's make in excess of $200K--400K..some Pros. trained sometimes DON'T even come close. U Decide...I won't do it if I were U.
Do you mind listing them?
Rochester
Tufts
Harvard
North Carolina
U Washington (from what Nahari is saying)
University of Maryland
UCSF
Ohio state
Pittsburgh
reading through the thread made me write down a few thoughts of mine. My class of FTDs had students who applied for nearly all specialities and most of them are in thier or interviewing, be it Perio, Pros, Endo, Oral surgery, Ortho and Pedo or GPR at Newyork.
We as a class alrdy have acceptance in programs for Pros, Perio and GPRs. I am fully inconjuction with thoughts of 'akg' and 'centric'. As a foreign trained dentist its your interest only where you wanna finally go into. Adding into account what most of general dentist dont do are maxillofacial prosthetics. It requires a specialist to do that job only. I agree with the fact also many of the times there are cases which have been incorrectly treated by general dentist due to lack of experience( which should be like 8-10 yrs) or good knowledge of occlusion and other principals, these patients are now treated by a prosthodontist.
Adding to programs that have offered seats
University of Maryland
UCSF
Ohio state
Pittsburgh
Is it Rochester, NY or Rochester, MN?
Its Rochester of Eastman Dental !
UConn too done !!
Cool now we are making this into a proper Prosth thread! Keep it coming!
Maybe people who got offers should say where and put their stats up to give people a feeling for how to get in places or why they didnt, I dunno, it just may be a good idea thats all!
Hello. I am a practicing dentist and thinking about doing Pros. I am thinking about Loma Linda or USC. I heard USC is very hard as you have to finish all the cases and cases are not transferrable and students stay 3.5-4 yrs plus finishing up.. I have to stay in Southern calisfornia..any advice on which is better? I love pros a lot but because of the high tuition and lost income I have hard time convincing family to do it..any advice on how to convince them?
Hi guys, I am new on the thread and also interested in Prostho.
Have a question, some of you post that University of Pittsburgh have already offered some positions but their application deadline has not past. Is it normal for a program to choose residents before they receive all the applications?
Its not unheard of. If their deadline is not up yet then I doubt they select all that they are taking before this deadline. It is not unheard of that if they really like someone or have a dental student from their own school interested that they would make them an early offer. Maybe a good idea to drop the director there a shout!
add UIC also....Rochester
Tufts
Harvard
North Carolina
U Washington (from what Nahari is saying)
University of Maryland
UCSF
Ohio state
Pittsburgh
Hello. I am a practicing dentist and thinking about doing Pros. I am thinking about Loma Linda or USC. I heard USC is very hard as you have to finish all the cases and cases are not transferrable and students stay 3.5-4 yrs plus finishing up.. I have to stay in Southern calisfornia..any advice on which is better? I love pros a lot but because of the high tuition and lost income I have hard time convincing family to do it..any advice on how to convince them?
hey patata,
were you accepted at UCSF prostho ?
Patata, I thought you told me you are taking the Maryland offer.... which one then ?
Ya I was but my school offered me a place so the school, the city very much economical for me and come on its UCSF
I would have gone to Maryland if it wasn't for UCSF( any other offer) and money involved. I am a FTD with a big loan and cosigner tied with me.
How about you? Rochester is it?
Last year, they didn't accepted girls, and likewise for this year...
I am still a third year trying to decide of I want to spent 3 more years doing prosth, which I think is fascinating. Can anyone tell me which programs are considered the "best" and what are the requirements for those, meaning, GPA, Board scores...
Thanks
and I heard some bad things about Havard.
Best I would think in no particular order
Maryland
Washington
Harvard
UNC
Also heard good things about Michigan.
GPA and scores, I think maybe ask around or just straight up ask their director!!
I am surprised, when I went to interview at loma Linda , they were happy that I was a girl...only girl applying...so may be it depends on the school....that's pure discrimination........as a feminist I am angry at what you were told!!!!!!!No, I talked to one of the professors who interviewed us, he said they are not accepting girls in the program. They have been not happy with the girls in the program, he said something that the girls are not fullfilling the requirements and can't be independent in the program and dependent on other residents... I was really disappointed so it was true that they are discriminate on the gender issue there at the prostho department. I am not sure if he was just pulling my legs, but the rumour was said the same thing about the program director... if you see, only 1 girl from all 3 years residents. Last year, they didn't accepted girls, and likewise for this year...