Another question for you resxn.
Is it possible to accept insurance for certain procedures but not accept it for other procedures? In other words, does accepting insurance payments confine you to that type of payment schedule?
When you contract with insurance companies they require that you contract for all of the CPT codes in current use. Contracts are always negotiable, but it would be difficult for you to set up a situation like this for several reasons. First, it would take a tremendous amount of leverage on your part for an insurance company to agree. Either you're in a large group or in a very rural area. Second, there is no advantage for them. If that company does that, why would you as a patient choose that insurance? You won't, you are going to choose a policy that doesn't come with so many headaches. Insurance companies are in the business of signing policy holders and then putting the burden of payment on them. That's how you make money: increase revenue, decrease cost. Third, think of the amount of work it would take to do that. You have to go through code-by-code for each procedure, determine what you are willing to accept payment on and what you're not, create the contract, and submit it to the insurance company for approval. Just considering the legal fees for your lawyer to word it and then rebut whatever their underwriters say gives me hives.
Say for example, I accept insurance for a parotidectomy but I do not for a tonsillectomy? Can I do that??
In short, you can try, but it's probably not worth it. Go all in or all out.
I ask this because I have heard some practicing doctors complain about the amount of money they are actually paid when doing procedures like tonsils. They say something to the effect of "I get paid 12 cents on the dollar for a tonsil"
Amen, Brother. But you don't get paid $0.12 on the dollar just for tonsils, it's about every case. Usually, your contract you will find will be pretty evenly suckalicious for each code. Each company will have a contract that is that much more suckalicious than the other.
My concern is, at what point does it become not feasible to perform a specific procedure because the 3rd party reimbursement makes it not worth the time invested?
Far too often. I think on another thread I showed a calculation as to why it's not fiscally advantageous to do lots of H&N surgery in private practice. Look for that somewhere on the board and it's pretty clear why some procedures are not worth the investment (long cases with long global billing periods and high risk/high maintenance conditions kick your fiscal can in private practice).
Hey, just found it. Here's the relevant math from that thread:
Let's say I do a 41155 (Glossectomy; composite procedure with resection floor of mouth, mandibular resection, and radical neck dissection), but not the free flap--I'll leave that for the plastics guy. Let's say the patient already got trached for the sake of argument.
The RVU for that procedure is 73.52 and the medicare allowable is $2600.20 (nice of them to tack on the 20 cents)
Now let's look at 69346 (bilateral tubes). The RVU is 4.27, the medicare allowable is $153.49.
So for the math, let's say the H&N case takes me 6 hours. How many tubes can I get done in 6 hours? Well, I can do 4 an hour fairly easily if I'm running two rooms. So I can theoretically get 24 done. That's a bit of overkill. But for the sake of argument let's look at the numbers--that's $3683.76. Ok, so if we use a more realistic number and say I get 18 cases in that timeframe--that's assuming 3/hr probably fairly low estimate, I still make $2762.82.
Now, some people would say why the heck would I want to do 18 tubes instead of a cool case like the composite resection. Good question. Many wouldn't. I know I have no interest in doing 18 tubes in a day. But let's say I do 4 sets of tubes, 2 tonsils on kids under 12, and a FESS. That would add up as follows 4x153.49 + 2x268.51 + 895.43 = $2046.41.
Well, I'm down $700, but I'm out by noon instead of 3 or 4PM so I have a lucrative afternoon clinic I can still do and make that up and more by 3 or 4PM. I won't have to round on the H&N patient for $0 for the next 7-10 days. I won't have as significant a risk of multiple complications. I won't need to see that patient every month for the next year. And keep in mind that every visit in the first 90 days is free. Well, free isn't a big deal you say because I got a lot for the surgery.
Then think about this. Every minute you spend seeing that patient without making money, you're losing money. Your staff still makes a salary, you still have rent or a mortgage, you have equipment costs, EMR costs, taxes, insurance, IT costs, etc. In addition, every minute you see that guy, you're not seeing someone who will make money. So it's not a net zero for that 15 mins checking up on him at his 1 month appt. It's zero, minus your overhead, minus the money you would have made seeing someone who would have paid.
That's why it's a kick in the arse.
I for one would like to always be able to offer my patients the care/surgeries they need, but I realize that it can be to your detriment if you continue to spend time performing services that cant help you keep your doors open.
So, can you say to a patient for example, I will bill your insurance for your parotid but I do not accept insurance for your child's tonsil? And then arrange for a fee for service contract
If you can, more power to you. I don't think you'll find it'll happen or be worthwhile even if a payer says, "Yeah, send us your thoughts, we'll see if they work for us."