President Bernie Sanders

[DirtDocMD]

Seriously, what is Bernie’s formula for financial success for this nation?? We’re gonna “tax” our way to prosperity??

Free school, free healthcare, free whatever is going to improve people’s work ethic??You think ANYONE under the age of 26 is going to WORK, when they can get “free college” (read: party for 4-8 years on the taxpayer dime)???

Get real.

Bernie Sanders and socialism won’t just harm medicine, they’ll do irreparable damage to the work ethic of this nation, not to mention whatever remains of any form of self-reliance.

Donald Trump is a “clown”, says the Dems. Whatever. Get over it. Do folks really think unchecked illegal immigration, and getting hammered on trade by foreign countries is alright?? Are transgender bathroom habits REALLY a national priority??

Look at salary increases for not just rich folks, but for middle and lower class folks, under Trump. Those numbers are good, and they are real.

You wanna tell me Klobuchar or Bloomberg are gonna do ok with the economy?? Ok, we can discuss that. Bernie???

Don’t cut off your nose, to spite your face.....

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[BLADEMDA]

This whole argument is not worth anyone's time... So far it looks like this country is going to have 4 more years of good old Trump. None of the democratic candidates is able to appeal to the moderate democrats or convert even one of those MAGA guys. So why waste time arguing something that's never going to happen?

The pundits said the say thing when Trump got the nomination. Most of them gave Trump less than a snowball's chance in hell of winning the Presidency. I don't dslike Bernie personally but despise his policies. I give him at least a 50% chance of winning the White house in November. Never ever underestimate the lure of "free stuff" for getting votes. Plus, the class warfare against "Billionaires" and Corporations seems to be a good selling point.

Bernie has California and NY in the bag. A President Sanders is a real possibility and that has me scared for this nation more than ever in my lifetime. Scared for the economy, corporations and anyone who works hard for a living.

 

[pgg]

The dems currently in Congress will fall in line. If Bernie wins the nom, they will sing his tune as well.

Sure, but that won't help him if there aren't enough of them left to pass the stuff he wants.

I'm skeptical that Sanders can beat Trump, but it wouldn't surprise me. When primary season is done, Bloomberg might kick the ground like a dejected schoolboy yet still throw money at defeating trump. Obama will presumably come out of seclusion and start campaigning - that will matter to the Democrats who aren't hardcore BernieBros. All of the Democratic infighting will stop. The economy could crash. Iran might throw ballistic missiles at Saudi Arabia. Russia might take the rest of Ukraine. Turkey might turn on NATO and support the wrong side in the Libyan civil war - wait, they already did that.

Sanders might pull it off. However, even if he does, I can't see anything but downballot carnage in the seats they picked up in 2018.

 

[deleted941485]

I’m pretty sure this was the exact sentiment when Trump became the GOP nominee. It’s been a few hours since I’ve been outside, but the last time I checked, the world still hasn’t come to an end.

I for one think we could survive a Bernie presidency (and probably need it for our own sanity). Sure you guys might have a few liberal policies shoved down your throats, but nothing huge will change in your day-to-day life, as it probably hasn’t since Trump was elected either.

I think that’s wishful thinking. when he dems are after your wallet they usually get it.

I’ve already heard physicians in my practice say it oh they only live on 50% of what they make so they aren’t worried. So if you make 50% less what are you gonna do? Live on 100% now? With no savings. Mind you these people are in their 40s with kids at an academic center.

 

[pgg]

Trump will be re-elected. Guaranteed. I have a 100% accuracy rate in picking every president since Carter. This time will be no different.

You still keep picking the Eagles though ...

 

[BLADEMDA]

2016 shook my faith in being able to predict anything about elections any more, but ...


It's looking like Bernie Sanders will be the nominee. I suppose it's possible the DNC will sabotage him again, but it's hard for me to see how any of the others overtake him.

He would be an enormous downballot drag on most of the House seats the Democrats flipped in 2018 (which are by definition in moderate/swing districts). If he's the guy for the Democrats this year, Trump has to be loving his chances ... he may even get a Republican Senate and House until the midterms.

Even if Bernie Sanders did win, without Senate and House supermajorities he'll never get student loan forgiveness, M4A, or any of the other things he's campaigning on passed. For that reason alone, I'm not clutching my pearls about how a Sanders win might affect my tax bill or income.

Going to be an interesting year.

History has taught me that good people make bad choices when it comes to elections. If Bernie wins the White House then the Senate will likely go Democrat as well. Bernie will have total control to pass his Socialist agenda. If there was ever time to buy Gold and raise cash please consider those carefully as we approach November.

 

[pgg]

History has taught me that good people make bad choices when it comes to elections. If Bernie wins the White House then the Senate will likely go Democrat as well. Bernie will have total control to pass his Socialist agenda. If there was ever time to buy Gold and raise cash please consider those carefully as we approach November.

No way. Bernie on the ballot leaves the Senate in Republican hands, and might even flip the House back.

Barring economic calamity, war, an asteroid, aliens revealing themselves, etc.

 

[deleted941485]

History has taught me that good people make bad choices when it comes to elections. If Bernie wins the White House then the Senate will likely go Democrat as well. Bernie will have total control to pass his Socialist agenda. If there was ever time to buy Gold and raise cash please consider those carefully as we approach November.

This is absolutely my way of thinking. I think my colleagues are complete tools and fall into two categories. Hardcore Bernie or head in sand don’t make waves.

 

[deleted941485]

No way. Bernie on the ballot leaves the Senate in Republican hands, and might even flip the House back.

Barring economic calamity, war, an asteroid, aliens revealing themselves, etc.

Idk those flips of the house and senate tend to be less dramatic than one hopes for.

Anyway the Nevada primary isn’t gonna help anybody sleep like me. Many lost hours of sleep over this primary.

 

[DirtDocMD]

I think that’s wishful thinking. when he dems are after your wallet they usually get it.

I’ve already heard physicians in my practice say it oh they only live on 50% of what they make so they aren’t worried. So if you make 50% less what are you gonna do? Live on 100% now? With no savings. Mind you these people are in their 40s with kids at an academic center.

If the Dems get their wish (socialized healthcare), salaries will go down, and within 1-2 decades, medicine will go the way of other “STEM” professions. American grads will stop choosing it, coupled with the opening of the FMG floodgates, so that the jobs can be filled with cheap foreign labor, just like the tech and engineering fields, here.

I apologize if that offends any FMG’s here, but ultimately, it will hurt the earning potential of American AND foreign medical grads, and open future FMG’s (AND American grads) up to the same poor treatment that tech workers get these days. No longer a “respectable” profession, merely “cheap” labor that can be threatened with loss of their job/visa, if they don’t “play ball”...

 

[pgg]

I think that’s wishful thinking. when he dems are after your wallet they usually get it.

I’ve already heard physicians in my practice say it oh they only live on 50% of what they make so they aren’t worried. So if you make 50% less what are you gonna do? Live on 100% now? With no savings. Mind you these people are in their 40s with kids at an academic center.

People say funny things and doctors as a group are stupid with money.

I don't believe for a nanosecond that even a Bernie Sanders presidency plus Democratic supermajorities in the Senate and the House would result in physician salaries being halved or quartered or whatever the fear is. It'd take a decade just for it all to grind through the courts. Look at the resistance to Obamacare and that was before 4 years of Trump court appointees.

No way, no how, is Bernie Sanders going to kill off private insurance companies and replace them with a new $zillion trillion government program, in the span of any of our careers. Maybe some of you weirdos planning to work past age 70. But not the rest of us.

I'm not real sanguine about the tax prospects Democratic leadership brings. That's something they could certainly do, and quickly, if they had the presidency and Congress.

I have some fears about what kind of healthcare will be available to me when I'm 70 or 90, but I don't have significant career worries.

 

[deleted941485]

If the Dems get their wish (socialized healthcare), salaries will go down, and within 1-2 decades, medicine will go the way of other “STEM” professions. American grads will stop choosing it, coupled with the opening of the FMG floodgates, so that the jobs can be filled with cheap foreign labor, just like the tech and engineering fields, here.

I apologize if that offends any FMG’s here, but ultimately, it will hurt the earning potential of American AND foreign medical grads, and open future FMG’s (AND American grads) up to the same poor treatment that tech workers get these days. No longer a “respectable” profession, merely “cheap” labor that can be threatened with loss of their job/visa, if they don’t “play ball”...

This is exactly what will happen and unfortunately I think it’s far more likely than the never Bernie crowd is comfortable admitting.

Look what happened to general medicine over the years. As Bush said many years ago: there are just certain jobs Americans won’t do.

 

[deleted941485]

People say funny things and doctors as a group are stupid with money.

I don't believe for a nanosecond that even a Bernie Sanders presidency plus Democratic supermajorities in the Senate and the House would result in physician salaries being halved or quartered or whatever the fear is. It'd take a decade just for it all to grind through the courts. Look at the resistance to Obamacare and that was before 4 years of Trump court appointees.

No way, no how, is Bernie Sanders going to kill off private insurance companies and replace them with a new $zillion trillion government program, in the span of any of our careers. Maybe some of you weirdos planning to work past age 70. But not the rest of us.

I'm not real sanguine about the tax prospects Democratic leadership brings. That's something they could certainly do, and quickly, if they had the presidency and Congress.

I have some fears about what kind of healthcare will be available to me when I'm 70 or 90, but I don't have significant career worries.

Wish I could be like you...well sort of anyway.

 

[pgg]

Many lost hours of sleep over this primary.

Don't lose sleep. Whatever happens, there'll be something positive from it. Maybe you'll hate the court appointees but love the foreign policy. Maybe you'll miss the orange hair but love the frizzy white hair. Be a glass-half-full kind of guy.

 

[deleted941485]

Don't lose sleep. Whatever happens, there'll be something positive from it. Maybe you'll hate the court appointees but love the foreign policy. Maybe you'll miss the orange hair but love the frizzy white hair. Be a glass-half-full kind of guy.

I appreciate it but
I did say sort of

I never subscribed to the whole life is good just do yoga and talk about your feelings. I get enough of that nonsense at work and all it does is make me more angry.

I’d vote for a ln ogre with a broomstick coming out of his behind if I knew they’d stop messing around with healthcare and screwing me over.

 

[Arch Guillotti]

All - keep it civil. We're going to experiment with threadbanning people who can't keep the spittle in their own mouths.

What he said.

Thread is a dumpster fire just like the last one.

 

[deleted941485]

What he said.

Thread is a dumpster fire just like the last one.

Unless there’s some real nonsense going on this forum. I’m not sure it needs to be shut down. This is probably one of the more consequential things going on right now Right up there with crnas and APPs independence.

I just think prophylactically shutting down forums that aren’t on their face inflammatory is counter productive.

 

[vector2]

Like @pgg I also remain a skeptic that M4A will pass even if Bernie is elected, but there seems to be a persistent misunderstanding by many of what M4A is. The US as a whole, both government and private, is projected to have total healthcare expenditures of somewhere around $60T over the next 10 years. Some of the estimates with M4A place its spending at maybe like $3T less over 10 years, with much of it coming from a reduction in administrative costs and redundancies. It’s much more accurate to imagine that future reimbursement for the way out of proportion specialties like anesthesia or radiology is going to move toward the current private median rather than toward the Medicare rate under a new single payer scheme. Also let’s not forget, Canada has single payer, spends 11.2% of gdp on healthcare, and anesthesiologists there still make 300-500k Canadian.

 

[deleted941485]

Like @pgg I also remain a skeptic that M4A will pass even if Bernie is elected, but there seems to be a persistent misunderstanding by many of what M4A is. The US as a whole, both government and private, is projected to have total healthcare expenditures of somewhere around $60T over the next 10 years. Some of the estimates with M4A place its spending at maybe like $3T less over 10 years, with much of it coming from a reduction in administrative costs and redundancies. It’s much more accurate to imagine that future reimbursement for the way out of proportion specialties like anesthesia or radiology is going to move toward the current private median rather than toward the Medicare rate under a new single payer scheme. Also let’s not forget, Canada has single payer, spends 11.2% of gdp on healthcare, and anesthesiologists there still make 300-500k Canadian.

Meh...in my specialty which deals with cancer which the govt really wants to put the screws to I’d be looking at either retraining, a useless non approved fellowship, or unemployment.

Canadian compensation isn’t the way it is because the govt was being nice. There was a doctors strike and some serious and hard fought concessions gained on the part of doctors who were not afraid to fight for their interests. But that was back in another time. So I have a hard time believing in today’s snowflake and leftward indoctrinated medical students to devalue their own societal worth and to keep quiet about their own interests. I doubt there is much fight in them and they’ll blindly accept whatever

I had a doctor who came and spoke to us recently who no is now a big wig at a cancer center and ofcourse barely sees patients anymore who said we should be fine practicing at Medicaid rates. I was a resident at the time.

 

[deleted131481]

People overestimate the power of the president on our economy. The US president doesn't have the power of a dictator. Trump couldn't even get a border wall he so desperately wanted. As mentioned above, even if the House and Senate were to turn Democrat (unlikely), Bernie would still have a hell of a time on his Medicare for all and free college. Any steps to that route would be incremental.

As an aside, free college isn't so crazy - for all its problems K-12 education is socialized and free. College would not be unlimited admission but would be merit based with others choosing trade school routes - works this way in Europe.

 

[MoMoGesiologist]

Meh...in my specialty which deals with cancer which the govt really wants to put the screws to I’d be looking at either retraining, a useless non approved fellowship, or unemployment.

Maybe with M4A we can stop spending 100k+ on cancer treatments to give grannie 6 more months of suffering? I, for one, look forward to the death panels

 

[UnoMas]

Dumb question but if M4A were to magically come into effect overnight, what would happen to the insurance company? The millions of people that they employ?

 

[deleted941485]

Maybe with M4A we can stop spending 100k+ on cancer treatments to give grannie 6 more months of suffering? I, for one, look forward to the death panels

Nah it’ll be more like. KPS is only 80? Send to hospice.

 

[MoMoGesiologist]

Dumb question but if M4A were to magically come into effect overnight, what would happen to the insurance company? The millions of people that they employ?

They would no longer have a job denying medical claims or telling doctors to prescribe a generic and not the actual drug the physician wants for their patient. The admin bloat 2/2 billing and insurance is way too much and where most of the increase in cost of healthcare has come from in the last decade.

 

[deleted941485]

Dumb question but if M4A were to magically come into effect overnight, what would happen to the insurance company? The millions of people that they employ?

The employees will be fine probably find some job in the govt bureaucracy that will be erected in its place.

The investors gat hold shares in these companies may want to reassess though

 

[UnoMas]

They would no longer have a job denying medical claims or telling doctors to prescribe a generic and not the actual drug the physician wants for their patient. The admin bloat 2/2 billing and insurance is way too much and where most of the increase in cost of healthcare has come from in the last decade.

So millions of people would be out of a job overnight? Does that mean Trump already has millions of votes in his pocket by default

 

[deleted941485]

So millions of people would be out of a job overnight? Does that mean Trump already has millions of votes in his pocket by default

Nah...see Post above

 

[PikminOC]

Have any of you Democrats/Liberals/Bernie Bros considered the implication of electing Sanders as President? Do you know what he will do to this specialty?

Before any of you post ridiculous comments about how the world comes first or "greater good" theory the vast majority of unions and Democrats decide to vote for candidates that help their cause, keep their jobs and pass laws helping them. This is true for auto workers, culinary workers in Vegas, coal miners, fishermen, etc.

This specialty isn't much different than the coal miners in that the liberal left wants us out of a job in favor of other, cheaper anesthesia providers.

He wants to destroy all of medicine. Can't even work out of network until his plan.

 

[vector2]

Meh...in my specialty which deals with cancer which the govt really wants to put the screws to I’d be looking at either retraining, a useless non approved fellowship, or unemployment.

Canadian compensation isn’t the way it is because the govt was being nice. There was a doctors strike and some serious and hard fought concessions gained on the part of doctors who were not afraid to fight for their interests. But that was back in another time. So I have a hard time believing in today’s snowflake and leftward indoctrinated medical students to devalue their own societal worth and to keep quiet about their own interests. I doubt there is much fight in them and they’ll blindly accept whatever

I had a doctor who came and spoke to us recently who no is now a big wig at a cancer center and ofcourse barely sees patients anymore who said we should be fine practicing at Medicaid rates. I was a resident at the time.

The govt and private payers were putting the screws to radonc well before 2020, or at least that’s what my father was telling me about his compensation over the last 15 years of his career in private practice before he retired. High paying specialties have always been a target of reimbursement reduction, so thinking that warding off single payer was going to stop the drop is probably misguided.

Ok, well good thing then that snowflake medical students aren’t going to be the ones at the table when the details of a single payer plan are hammered out. Currently practicing US physicians are the best compensated in the world and are strong advocates of maintaining that compensation, so I’m not sure why you think we as a group would be any different than the Canadians at making sure we get ours when the various lobbies sit down at the table.

It’s funny though the contradiction you make....you claim young people blindly accept whatever and devalue their societal worth and keep quiet and don’t fight, and yet because of 18-35 yr old political involvement and fervor there is a candidate well on his way to the nomination who is running on a platform that is arguably the most youth-centric one of all time.

 

[BLADEMDA]

So millions of people would be out of a job overnight? Does that mean Trump already has millions of votes in his pocket by default

Bernie will "phase in" Medicare for all as a single payer. This means we will likely see a Medicare Option on the ACA exchange followed by a single payer system. Unlike PGG, I expect this to play out over 4-8 years depending on Congress. Bernie will definitely try to pass a Medicare for all plan during his first 90 days. That is his signature proposal which ranks FIRST in the priority list of his voters by a wide margin. Once Medicare for all fails to gain traction (that is really if it fails) Bernie will settle for the Medicare Option on the exchange.

Bernie will raise personal taxes to levels higher than Clinton or Obama by 5-10% and will raise corporate taxes by at least 7-8%. He will do away with many deductions and propose trillions of dollars in new spending from free college tuition to the green new deal to infrastructure. Military spending will be cut by 10% or more. Pharmaceutical drugs will be imported from Canada or the U.K. and Medicare will begin paying a lot less for drugs.

The economy will likely go into a recession (we were likely due for one anyway) and then remain stagnant while Bernie is in office. Unemployment will go up and GDP will go down.

 

[deleted162650]

Bernie will definitely try to pass a Medicare for all plan during his first 90 days. That is his signature proposal which ranks FIRST in the priority list of his voters by a wide margin.

M4A = Bernie’s Wall

 

[vector2]

Bernie will "phase in" Medicare for all as a single payer. This means we will likely see a Medicare Option on the ACA exchange followed by a single payer system. Unlike PGG, I expect this to play out over 4-8 years depending on Congress. Bernie will definitely try to pass a Medicare for all plan during his first 90 days. That is his signature proposal which ranks FIRST in the priority list of his voters by a wide margin. Once Medicare for all fails to gain traction (that is really if it fails) Bernie will settle for the Medicare Option on the exchange.

Bernie personal taxes to levels higher than Clinton or Obama by 5-10% and will raise corporate taxes by at least 7-8%. He will do away with many deductions and propose trillions of dollars in new spending from free college tuition to the green new deal to infrastructure. Military spending will be cut by 10% or more. Pharmaceutical drugs will be imported from Canada or the U.K. and Medicare will begin paying a lot less for drugs.

The economy will likely go into a recession (we were likely due for one anyway) and then remain stagnant while Bernie is in office. Unemployment will go up and GDP will go down.

The “depending on Congress” line is really the key part of your scary doomsday scenario. Even if the senate flips blue, which it probably won’t, there are too many vulnerable dems in purple areas to get a lot of this agenda done. I predict another 4 yrs of gridlock and probably the passage of a big infrastructure bill, but at least there won’t be a corrupt, incompetent clown in the office who pisses on the rule of law and diminishes our standing in the world.

 

[BLADEMDA]

The govt and private payers were putting the screws to radonc well before 2020, or at least that’s what my father was telling me about his compensation over the last 15 years of his career in private practice before he retired. High paying specialties have always been a target of reimbursement reduction, so thinking that warding off single payer was going to stop the drop is probably misguided.

Ok, well good thing then that snowflake medical students aren’t going to be the ones at the table when the details of a single payer plan are hammered out. Currently practicing US physicians are the best compensated in the world and are strong advocates of maintaining that compensation, so I’m not sure why you think we as a group would be any different than the Canadians at making sure we get ours when the various lobbies sit down at the table.

It’s funny though the contradiction you make....you claim young people blindly accept whatever and devalue their societal worth and keep quiet and don’t fight, and yet because of 18-35 yr old political involvement and fervor there is a candidate well on his way to the nomination who is running on a platform that is arguably the most youth-centric one of all time.

It is "youth centric" because they no longer value the greatness of this nation. They have been raised as snowflakes and think socialism is the answer to this nation's problems. They have not learned from history and will be the generation which hurts this nation the most. Bernie has always been a socialist and believed in a different version of the USA. The current crop of youth are greatly misinformed and have embraced the ideology of Marxism because in theory it sounds wonderful. These kids have not learned the lessons of history and the fact that pure socialism like Bernie's version simply doesn't work.

Obama was a "moderate" compared to Sanders. Obama embraced a single payer system but knew it would take 2 decades to get there. Obama wants gradual change over time vs Sanders who wants to fundamentally tear down capitalism in favor of socialism.

Before any of you start spouting off about Denmark or France look at the GDP of those nations. Their economies are stagnant vs the USA and their innovation a fraction of ours. Capitalism is still the best medicine for a society. One can argue restrained capitalism with a safety net is what we currently have in place now. Sanders wants to re-make the USA into something else. Fortunately, we have SCOTUS and the Constitution to protect us from the National Socialist Democrat Party of Bernie Sanders.

 

[BLADEMDA]

This is what awaits many of you if Bernie wins the White House. I never thought Trump had a snowball's chance in Hell of beating Clinton. Many pundits don't think Sanders can win either. They are wrong. Never underestimate the ignorance of the average voter. As I get older I realize just how smart and wise the founders were when they decided who was allowed to vote in this so called republic. Once the public/masses realizes they can vote themselves "goodies" from the public trough the country is doomed.

I stand by my assertion that a single payer system will slash the average salary of an Anesthesiologist by 50-60%. For Salty and MMan this cut will be 70-80%. Anesthesiologist will earn the same pay as independent CRNAs. The specialty will essentially be "dead". But, I sure hope Vector 2 will be happy with his new healthcare system because he will be giving up 1/2 his income for it.

 

[BLADEMDA]

Why Bernie Sanders is just the beginning of an American turn to the left
The United States may be on the verge of a huge leftward shift. Here's what to expect

Bernie Sanders is just the beginning of an American leftward turn

The United States may be on the verge of a huge leftward shift. Here's what to expect

www.salon.com

 

[BLADEMDA]

This is a tricky situation to navigate. If the democratic capitalist state were less developed, it might be possible to convince people to simply storm the gates, tear up the old rules, and start fresh in a socialist society. This is what socialists tried to do in Russia in 1917: the state was weak and after centuries of autocratic rule it didn't have much legitimacy in the eyes of most Russians, so revolutionaries could get popular support for scrapping it and starting over.

A future socialist government, the late Marxist thinker Ralph Miliband wrote, "has only one major resource, namely its popular support." To pull off a revolution in our circumstances, that popular support would need to be mobilized both inside and outside of government.

 

[UnoMas]

It is "youth centric" because they no longer value the greatness of this nation. They have been raised as snowflakes and think socialism is the answer to this nation's problems. They have not learned from history and will be the generation which hurts this nation the most. Bernie has always been a socialist and believed in a different version of the USA. The current crop of youth are greatly misinformed and have embraced the ideology of Marxism because in theory it sounds wonderful. These kids have not learned the lessons of history and the fact that pure socialism like Bernie's version simply doesn't work.

Obama was a "moderate" compared to Sanders. Obama embraced a single payer system but knew it would take 2 decades to get there. Obama wants gradual change over time vs Sanders who wants to fundamentally tear down capitalism in favor of socialism.

Before any of you start spouting off about Denmark or France look at the GDP of those nations. Their economies are stagnant vs the USA and their innovation a fraction of ours. Capitalism is still the best medicine for a society. One can argue restrained capitalism with a safety net is what we currently have in place now. Sanders wants to re-make the USA into something else. Fortunately, we have SCOTUS and the Constitution to protect us from the National Socialist Democrat Party of Bernie Sanders.

I always cringe hard every time I hear someone expresses their desire for the country to adopt socialism. I grew up in a socialist country, my family escaped from it. There's no way in hell my family and I are voting for a Socialist. With the rampant entitlement problem going on in this country, the last thing you want to do is giving out more free stuff.

I don't care at all about free college education. Especially if it's for superfluous random degrees.

 

[vector2]

It is "youth centric" because they no longer value the greatness of this nation. They have been raised as snowflakes and think socialism is the answer to this nation's problems. They have not learned from history and will be the generation which hurts this nation the most. Bernie has always been a socialist and believed in a different version of the USA. The current crop of youth are greatly misinformed and have embraced the ideology of Marxism because in theory it sounds wonderful. These kids have not learned the lessons of history and the fact that pure socialism like Bernie's version simply doesn't work.

Obama was a "moderate" compared to Sanders. Obama embraced a single payer system but knew it would take 2 decades to get there. Obama wants gradual change over time vs Sanders who wants to fundamentally tear down capitalism in favor of socialism.

Before any of you start spouting off about Denmark or France look at the GDP of those nations. Their economies are stagnant vs the USA and their innovation a fraction of ours. Capitalism is still the best medicine for a society. One can argue restrained capitalism with a safety net is what we currently have in place now. Sanders wants to re-make the USA into something else. Fortunately, we have SCOTUS and the Constitution to protect us from the National Socialist Democrat Party of Bernie Sanders.

This post is the poster child for OK Boomer.

Young people are enthusiastic about Bernie but young people can’t elect him alone. Trump is losing to Bernie in polls of all ages because average people are sick of the status quo. The royal “You” and a lot of other people in your tax bracket have been making decent money for so long that you really don’t have a clue what it’s like to be a recent college graduate with debt or be a middle class person trying to support a family of 4. Nor do you particularly seem to care about the worker, or the fact that CEOs make 271x the average salary, or that most families need 2 incomes when back in your day you only needed one. You’ve created a system where Amazon can pay 0 taxes in a fiscal year while inflation adjusted wages for workers remain stagnant. Your generation ignored the rise of college tuition, climate change, medical bankruptcies, and a whole host of issues which have come home to roost.

But sure, keep crying about socialism and Russia when what people are really asking for is a $15 minimum wage and for oligarchs to pay their fair share.

 

[BLADEMDA]

This post is the poster child for OK Boomer.

Young people are enthusiastic about Bernie but young people can’t elect him alone. Trump is losing to Bernie in polls of all ages because average people are sick of the status quo. The royal “You” and a lot of other people in your tax bracket have been making decent money for so long that you really don’t have a clue what it’s like to be a recent college graduate with debt or be a middle class person trying to support a family of 4. Nor do you particularly seem to care about the worker, or the fact that CEOs make 271x the average salary, or that most families need 2 incomes when back in your day you only needed one. You’ve created a system where Amazon can pay 0 taxes in a fiscal year. Your generation ignored the rise of college tuition, climate change, medical bankruptcies, and a whole host of issues which have come home to roost.

But sure, keep crying about socialism and Russia when what people are really asking for is a $15 minimum wage and for oligarchs to pay their fair share.

The cost of Sanders' agenda -- possibly $60 trillion -- would set a peacetime US record

The cost of Sanders' agenda -- possibly $60 trillion -- would set a peacetime US record

While the new spending programs Sen. Bernie Sanders has proposed in his presidential campaign would at least double federal spending over the next decade, he has provided little detail about how he would implement or finance such a massive increase.

www.cnn.com

 

[BLADEMDA]

This post is the poster child for OK Boomer.

Young people are enthusiastic about Bernie but young people can’t elect him alone. Trump is losing to Bernie in polls of all ages because average people are sick of the status quo. The royal “You” and a lot of other people in your tax bracket have been making decent money for so long that you really don’t have a clue what it’s like to be a recent college graduate with debt or be a middle class person trying to support a family of 4. Nor do you particularly seem to care about the worker, or the fact that CEOs make 271x the average salary, or that most families need 2 incomes when back in your day you only needed one. You’ve created a system where Amazon can pay 0 taxes in a fiscal year. Your generation ignored the rise of college tuition, climate change, medical bankruptcies, and a whole host of issues which have come home to roost.

But sure, keep crying about socialism and Russia when what people are really asking for is a $15 minimum wage and for oligarchs to pay their fair share.

Your post is exactly how Socialism then Marxism begins to take hold of a once great nation. People become desperate and begin to seek "false" solutions to problems. Socialists pretend to have the answers. No country has ever become great because of socialism. Social programs and safety nets are there to protect the most vulnerable but it is capitalism which provides the solution every single time. History has proven this over and over again. As for who is to blame for the current problems the answer is exactly who you believe has the solution: Government. Government is the cause of high tuition, medical bankruptcy and a whole host of issues because govt. interfered with the free markets. Free markets drive costs DOWN not up. When costs do go up the free market provides alternatives to those who can't afford the premium product. Socialism isn't the cure because it is the disease.

 

[deleted171991]

This post is the poster child for OK Boomer.

Young people are enthusiastic about Bernie but young people can’t elect him alone. Trump is losing to Bernie in polls of all ages because average people are sick of the status quo. The royal “You” and a lot of other people in your tax bracket have been making decent money for so long that you really don’t have a clue what it’s like to be a recent college graduate with debt or be a middle class person trying to support a family of 4. Nor do you particularly seem to care about the worker, or the fact that CEOs make 271x the average salary, or that most families need 2 incomes when back in your day you only needed one. You’ve created a system where Amazon can pay 0 taxes in a fiscal year while inflation adjusted wages for workers remain stagnant. Your generation ignored the rise of college tuition, climate change, medical bankruptcies, and a whole host of issues which have come home to roost.

But sure, keep crying about socialism and Russia when what people are really asking for is a $15 minimum wage and for oligarchs to pay their fair share.

Let's not forget that the Millennials, the first snowflakes, were created by the Boomers, by spoiling the heck out of them. So "OK Boomer" is just the frosting on the cake of disrespect and entitlement of generations Y and Z. No good deed goes unpunished.

There is no such thing as a "fair share", except if you take the national budget and divide it by the (adult) population. Now THAT would be fair (and painful).

Let me remind you where the concept of "fair share" is coming from: communism. From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs - Wikipedia.

 

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[vector2]

So many complaints about socialism and magical divinity of the all-knowing free market and yet we never really hear peep from blade about corporate welfare. Consider for a moment that Trump with his *****ic tariffs collapsed the price of some crops and now we are using government funds to give this lost income back to agribusiness in the form of handouts, aka socialism.

And what about the state propping up oil and energy to the tune of 20 billion a year?

People love socialism, just as long as the benefits are all going to them.

 

[ButterButter]

I hope the future Sanders presidency works in a similar way to the current one: most of the outlandish campaign promises never come to fruition.

 

[dannyboy1]

Your post is exactly how Socialism then Marxism begins to take hold of a once great nation. People become desperate and begin to seek "false" solutions to problems. Socialists pretend to have the answers. No country has ever become great because of socialism. Social programs and safety nets are there to protect the most vulnerable but it is capitalism which provides the solution every single time. History has proven this over and over again. As for who is to blame for the current problems the answer is exactly who you believe has the solution: Government. Government is the cause of high tuition, medical bankruptcy and a whole host of issues because govt. interfered with the free markets. Free markets drive costs DOWN not up. When costs do go up the free market provides alternatives to those who can't afford the premium product. Socialism isn't the cure because it is the disease.

Just remember, in a free market CRNA’s take over completely and we are unemployed....

 

[vector2]

Let's not forget that the Millennials, the first snowflakes, were created by the Boomers, by spoiling the heck out of them. So "OK Boomer" is just the frosting on the cake of disrespect and entitlement of generations Y and Z. No good deed goes unpunished.

There is no such thing as a "fair share", except if you take the national budget and divide it by the (adult) population. Now THAT would be fair (and painful).

Let me remind you where the concept of "fair share" is coming from: communism. From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs - Wikipedia.

Boomers grew up in a generation where college was cheap, healthcare was cheap, and jobs paid a lot of money with good benefits even if you didn’t have a college degree. They reaped the benefits from this, and then when the system changes for the worse they have the gaul to call the current generation whiny and ungrateful and tell them to go f themselves. Keep it up and we’ll be getting someonewhos actually a radical.

 

[deleted171991]

Boomers grew up in a generation where college was cheap, healthcare was cheap, and jobs paid a lot of money with good benefits even if you didn’t have a college degree. They reaped the benefits from this, and then when the system changes for the worse they have the Gaul to call the current generation whiny and ungrateful and tell them to go f themselves. Keep it up andwe’ll be getting someonewhos actually a radical.

Actually, we call them whiny and DUMB.

Only a DUMB person would vote for promises of FREE, or significantly subsidized stuff, regardless what it is. Smart people know that there is no such thing as FREE; somebody always has to pay. Usually it's exactly the working people to whom the scam is sold in exchange for votes, because the rich have always had tax backdoors.

 

[BLADEMDA]

Boomers grew up in a generation where college was cheap, healthcare was cheap, and jobs paid a lot of money with good benefits even if you didn’t have a college degree. They reaped the benefits from this, and then when the system changes for the worse they have the Gaul to call the current generation whiny and ungrateful and tell them to go f themselves. Keep it up andwe’ll be getting someonewhos actually a radical.

We have arrived at your radical: Bernie Sanders. A true Socialist who wants to "socialize" 1/4 of the economy and another 1/4 if he can get away with it. Plus, taxes will be raised to levels we haven't seen in 50 years. Individual rights and free speech will also be squashed by the leftists in the name of decency/fairness.

There are problems in this country. We need solutions from the free market. College is no longer what is once was. Now the greatest professor in the world can teach millions of students for a dime over the web. Why do we need brick and mortar schools for the majority? College should cost about $1,000 in 2020 for a 4 year degree. Govt. is the problem not the solution. The "web" would force colleges to compete for students and tuition would fall if govt. got out of the way. This is a prime example where "power" is used by govt. to keep innovation out of the market place.

 

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[BLADEMDA]

Socialism is a failed system. All I ask is your look at history and maybe 15 minutes of Milton Friedman. Even Communist China has learned that pure Communism doesn't work so they "permit" individuals to become billionaires. More proof that capitalism is the cure not the disease to prosperity. There is no economic system which has raised more people from poverty to prosperity than capitalism. Bernie is a symptom of the disease which infects this nation. He is not the cure.