Possible divorce before med school

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So, I feel like I'm emotionally "checked-out" from my marriage. The thing is, though, is that this isn't new. In fact, it's something I've been dealing with a for a very long time, way long before I got married. I met her while I was living abroad in Asia. The wife (then fiancee) and I were apart for couple years while I got her a visa to come over, and I remember not so much missing her as feeling kind of relieved to be apart. I remember the best summer I had was when I had taken an intensive summer course at a local university which cut down on our Skype time, and basically let me be virtually single. There were several times before she came over that I felt like breaking it off, but decided against it mainly because: A) I would feel like I failed, B) I was afraid that I would never find someone else who reciprocate my affection (which I realize is total bull****),
C) I was afraid of hurting her feelings, which obviously would be inevitable. D) I naive enough to think that her liking me would be enough and everything else would sort of work itself out.

As I've gotten older and ever since I started actually working in a healthcare setting, I find that, in general, it's made me more assertive (or at least not a wuss). The side effect of that is that I've become much more expressive in what it is I want out of our relationship, and there are several things where I just feel unsatisfied and where we don't connect. I don't expect her to be perfect or go down and check off a list of things that would want out of an ideal partner, but I feel like anytime I raise these issues she will explain it away as some non-negotiable cultural difference, or some facet of her personality that can't be changed.

I don't mean to pin these issues entirely on her, since I know it takes two to tango, and I have to do my part and put in effort to make it work, but feel like we're hitting up against some peculiarities that are difficult to negotiate. On my part, a lot of it are certain traits that I value highly in another person. I don't like being shallow or selfish, but there are certain things that I just find attractive in someone that the wife simply doesn't have.

I really highly value education, in particular I really find someone with an degree in some scientific or technical field to be very attractive. I know that might sound kind of stupid, but I find it a constant source of frustration that my wife doesn't at least have a bachelor's degree. The wife and I have talked about her going to college and getting a degree, but I realize I can't really command her to do anything, nor should I expect her to since she's her own person. She does what she wants and is independent in her actions, which I highly admire and at the same time leads to one of those sources of frustration.

I also really want someone who shares some of my hobbies. I really like hiking, and just traveling and meandering through different places. I like trying new outdoorsy things. I love kayaking, camping, running 5ks, and playing sports of all kinds. I'm into board games of all sorts and am a recovering gaming addict (mostly RTS's and FPS's, sometimes RPGs) as well as recovering anime addict. The wife, OTOH, is not really into outdoor activities, gaming, or animated anything. The last two I don't care so much about, but the first one leads to some frustration since I always feel like I'm out and about on my own doing these things. She does like to travel, which is where we find some common ground, but I feel like we have different goals in how like to spend our time traveling. She's also much more into staying at a high-end hotel and doesn't like getting her hands dirty much.

She also has an irrational fear of most animals, while I love them, which jibes against me wanting to have pets.

A big source of frustration is that she hasn't been able to get steady employment, perhaps partly because she has an associate's degree in general business studies from a small foreign college. I feel like I've become super cheap and I'm constantly worrying about our finances. I worry about how we'll get along with my being a student (med school), and her averaging only 15 hours/week, although it does pay well on a per hour basis (20/hour). She doesn't have a driver's license and doesn't care to drive. She insists on moving someplace with public transportation. I worry that she will be dependent on me to get around or go anywhere unless we live in a large metropolitan area.

The other thing that leads to frustration is the language barrier. I met her while living abroad, but now four years later my language skills are a bit crap. Unfortunately, her English ability isn't that great either. There were free lessons at a local library and cheap classes at a local college, but she didn't want to go as my mother also expressed in going together. Which leads to another point of stress, which is that my parents aren't particularly fond of her, and this has lead to quite a few arguments between myself and my parents, which in turn has completely stressed my relationship with my parents. My parents were (are) against our marriage, and they offered several reasons for why they didn't think it was good idea (no readily employable skills, no plan for what she wants to do). In retrospect, I feel that their reasoning was actually solid, though at the time I took it as a personal challenge and now I bear a fair amount of resentment, perhaps in part because I feel like they were right.

The worst part is that all of this is totally hampering our sex life, or at least mine. I'm not really feeling an emotional connection when we have sex. It feels sort of mechanical. I'm not expecting porn star sex (in fact, I'm not really into that so much, usually). This is another issue that is sort of old, and I've been growing increasingly urgent and insistent in talking about. The wife, though, is difficult to talk to when it comes to sexual issues. I'm very open, while she is very conservative when it comes this. I'm not sure if we just aren't particularly sexually compatible or if this is something can even be "fixed" or negotiated. Sorry if this is totally TMI.

Sorry for the long post. I have talked with the wife multiple times about all of these things. I don't know if these issues will ever be resolved. I feel like I should keep trying, but TBH, I'm starting to get emotionally exhausted. To complicate things, I've developed a crush on a classmate who pretty much fits my profile of what I want out an ideal partner. She doesn't know, and I don't plan on telling her. Ever. But I feel like the infatuation is a symptom of all the above mentioned frustrations.

I'm not really sure what to do from here on out, and although I have seriously contemplated divorce recently, it scares the **** out of me. Even worse, is that the wife generally feels like the marriage is total solid.

TL;DR I feel like I completely ****ed up in handling my relationship, married someone incompatible, and now I'm in an emotional torture chamber contemplating divorce.

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Can you find counseling? Maybe someone who speaks your wife's language, though this might be a tall order depending on where you live.
 
Can you find counseling? Maybe someone who speaks your wife's language, though this might be a tall order depending on where you live.

There is, actually, or at least kind of close (1 hour away). The trick is convincing her that we need counseling, because otherwise I don't see us lasting much longer.
 
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Sounds like you are clear that you want out. No kids? Get out. Get out now before you have kids.

You aren't being fair to her or to yourself if you don't want to be in a relationship with her and are just pretending so that you don't upset her. She deserves to be loved and adored by someone who wants the person she is, not the person that you wish she could be. Probably she is also in a relationship with the man she wants you to be, not with the person that you are.

It isn't going to be easy to tell her, but sounds like you really should. It will only get harder and more complicated the longer you wait.
 
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you're the one not happy with anything about her after she left everything for you. she's not a souvenir that you can repaint at will, she's a woman who you chose when she had all those traits you now don't like. if you insist on being that guy and leave then be man enough to admit this is all you, she held up her end.

you're the guy who ordered a hamburger and then yells at the waitress for not bringing spaghetti
 
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Both of you guys can get off on your own, so being sexually compatible shouldn't be an issue.

Are you serious? :laugh:

I can't even with this post.

You really think that sex isn't a very, VERY important part of a healthy relationship? It is essential for pair bonding. You think it's no big deal if a married couple just jerk off on their own rather than have sex? If you think masturbation and having actual sex are equivalent, then you have had ****ty sex my friend. Either that or no sex at all.

Honestly, her being unemployed shouldn't be a big deal unless it's driving you crazy.
I'd either drive her wherever (or if I had the money, I'd buy her a car).


In addition, her being unemployed should absolutely be a big deal unless he is making enough money to have her be a stay-at-home-wife/mom and that is an arrangement that both are comfortable with. This does not seem to be the case here.

Who cares if something's superficially attractive?
It's like fashion... It won't matter 50 years later...

Valuing higher education and ambition is not superficial at all. That is not "fashion" - how laughable. Valuing someone's work ethic and/or drive to acquire knowledge is valuing core personality attributes, not what type of clothes they wear or how they do their hair. Not having direction in your life will most DEFINITELY matter 50 years later...
 
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You don't need past accomplishments to have a work ethic and a drive to acquire knowledge.
It really depends on the person, so higher education doesn't matter to me even 50 years down the road.

This is just another perspective from someone who bonds with and sees herself learning and growing with a certain someone else who is also willing to learn and grow.


I did not say that. Past accomplishments, while they may help, are not essential.

In order to acquire knowledge, YES, you do need to have drive and work ethic. Otherwise all you do is sit on the couch thinking about how much you would like to acquire knowledge, but you won't get off your butt to do anything about it.

That being said, acquiring knowledge does not necessarily have to be through the classic route of higher education. You are confusing my point on this. Some people teach themselves, some people go the trade school route, etc. But from the sound of it, the OPs lady is diddling around and not pursing anything.
 
Anyways, all that aside, the main problem here is that the OP's wife is refusing to communicate. THAT is more of a relationship killer than any of the other things he listed. OP, if there is any way to get her to consider therapy, I think that might be the only way at this point unless the refusal to air dirty laundry and talk things out is too culturally ingrained in her.
 
Anyways, all that aside, the main problem here is that the OP's wife is refusing to communicate. THAT is more of a relationship killer than any of the other things he listed. OP, if there is any way to get her to consider therapy, I think that might be the only way at this point unless the refusal to air dirty laundry and talk things out is too culturally ingrained in her.

that lack of communication might be because she doesn't speak his language and he stopped speaking hers
 
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Stop seeking help from strangers online.

Find a therapist. If at all possible, one who speaks both English and your wife's native language. Although that may be hard because it might mean someone from her cultural background which may in turn mean they are less sensitive to your "side".

Marriage is hard. Not every marriage works out. You have some very legitimate concerns, but there are a lot of factors at play. Primary among these is the lack of communication in your relationship.

And whatever you do, distance yourself from your work "crush". You are idealizing them due to your current frustrations. Chances are a stranger you just got to know is not "ideal" for you - you're just convincing yourself on a superficial level that they fit your checklist without really knowing them (*ironically similar to what you probably did with your current wife)
 
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that lack of communication might be because she doesn't speak his language and he stopped speaking hers

I include the wife's refusal to go to classes or take lessons in what I said above. The OP also contributed to this situation by letting his slip. It adds a whole new layer to it. Verbal communication is only part of it.
 
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It sounds like the passion died in the relationship, and once OP stopped lusting after his SO, he realized he kinda didn't like his wife. Looks like a case of "dickbrain" run amok. I hope she is one smoking broad, because otherwise you're a fool. I mean, you're a fool either way, but you're an even bigger fool if she isn't 10/10 drop-dead model gorgeous. I'm guessing you're still young, and met her when you were practically still a babe in your early 20s.

You should've just been honest with what you wanted out of her and what your expectations were. Divorce is a PITA, and frankly it sucks. A lot. But, dragging this out is going to make it suck more. Do it now while you both have a chance to lead happy, healthy lives and form relationships that aren't totally ****ed up. If we look on the positive side, I hope you learned a major lesson here and that you don't repeat it. Couples counseling is still worth it, IMO, even if you're divorcing. It can help you two get through all the pain, and hopefully provide a nice outlet for and way to contain the nastiness, resentment and anger.

And for your own sake, as well as for the sake of whoever you intend to have a long-term relationship, slow down and get to actually know the other person. If you do start a relationship with your work wife, take stock of how you feel when you get to know her and she farts on you while you sleep. If you still like her after she annoys the hell out of you, maybe you were right. Bear in mind that most crushes don't pan out, though.

Protip: get to really know the person before you marry them

that lack of communication might be because she doesn't speak his language and he stopped speaking hers

I got the impression that he has been trying, but maybe can't adequately express what he wants to say, which compounded the frustration.

you're the one not happy with anything about her after she left everything for you. she's not a souvenir that you can repaint at will, she's a woman who you chose when she had all those traits you now don't like. if you insist on being that guy and leave then be man enough to admit this is all you, she held up her end.

you're the guy who ordered a hamburger and then yells at the waitress for not bringing spaghetti

Pretty much this. You were naive enough to think you could fundamentally change who she is. Have you had any major changes in your personality? Probably not. If you're not going to change, what made you think you someone else would?
 
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You clearly have some unrealistic expectations and need to work on yourself a bit, but come on, how could anyone think a relationship like this is worth saving? If you're happy when they're gone and sad when they're there, it's a pretty clear sign. Get out, for both your sakes.
 
how long have you been living in the same house? I ask this because the first year living together married is often the one that breaks people, it is hard to adjust to how someone truly lives once married, not how you THOUGHT they would live.

To start, I have been married for 8 years. We have almost divorced, a month ago I thought we were divorcing for sure, now not so sure. Here is the thing with marriage. I tis not a lusty, fun, kittens and rainbows we all sing songs around the stove and smile all the time. Reality check....marriage is compromise, marriage is sacrificing something for the other in order to make the smile and they have no idea you sacrificed something and you nevr tell them because it will ruin that smile. Marriage is a business deal, it is. Y ou have to be a team and each person has expectations of the other, you need to let her know honestly and with grace what your expectations are of her. You should seek therapy.
 
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whatever you decide, OP, you should do it before you enter med school. You will not have time to fix it then and it will be 4 years too late when you do decide. GL!!
 
Leave it to this generation to have such problems. Whatever happened to the mentality of our grandparents generation?
 
Leave it to this generation to have such problems. Whatever happened to the mentality of our grandparents generation?

The one where adultery was just as common? And couples unfit to be married were forced to remain in them because the law made it difficult to dissolve the marriage? That one? Nostalgia is a disease. You would do yourself well to cure yourself of it.

As was mentioned above, marriage is a business arrangement bound by a contract. Let's not get all emotional over this. I would tough it out with some of best friends just as I would with my wife. I don't need to marry them to this. If a contract is what compels you to do this, then I would have to question the value of your word.
 
So, I feel like I'm emotionally "checked-out" from my marriage. The thing is, though, is that this isn't new. In fact, it's something I've been dealing with a for a very long time, way long before I got married. I met her while I was living abroad in Asia. The wife (then fiancee) and I were apart for couple years while I got her a visa to come over, and I remember not so much missing her as feeling kind of relieved to be apart. I remember the best summer I had was when I had taken an intensive summer course at a local university which cut down on our Skype time, and basically let me be virtually single. There were several times before she came over that I felt like breaking it off, but decided against it mainly because: A) I would feel like I failed, B) I was afraid that I would never find someone else who reciprocate my affection (which I realize is total bull****),
C) I was afraid of hurting her feelings, which obviously would be inevitable. D) I naive enough to think that her liking me would be enough and everything else would sort of work itself out.

As I've gotten older and ever since I started actually working in a healthcare setting, I find that, in general, it's made me more assertive (or at least not a wuss). The side effect of that is that I've become much more expressive in what it is I want out of our relationship, and there are several things where I just feel unsatisfied and where we don't connect. I don't expect her to be perfect or go down and check off a list of things that would want out of an ideal partner, but I feel like anytime I raise these issues she will explain it away as some non-negotiable cultural difference, or some facet of her personality that can't be changed.

I don't mean to pin these issues entirely on her, since I know it takes two to tango, and I have to do my part and put in effort to make it work, but feel like we're hitting up against some peculiarities that are difficult to negotiate. On my part, a lot of it are certain traits that I value highly in another person. I don't like being shallow or selfish, but there are certain things that I just find attractive in someone that the wife simply doesn't have.

I really highly value education, in particular I really find someone with an degree in some scientific or technical field to be very attractive. I know that might sound kind of stupid, but I find it a constant source of frustration that my wife doesn't at least have a bachelor's degree. The wife and I have talked about her going to college and getting a degree, but I realize I can't really command her to do anything, nor should I expect her to since she's her own person. She does what she wants and is independent in her actions, which I highly admire and at the same time leads to one of those sources of frustration.

I also really want someone who shares some of my hobbies. I really like hiking, and just traveling and meandering through different places. I like trying new outdoorsy things. I love kayaking, camping, running 5ks, and playing sports of all kinds. I'm into board games of all sorts and am a recovering gaming addict (mostly RTS's and FPS's, sometimes RPGs) as well as recovering anime addict. The wife, OTOH, is not really into outdoor activities, gaming, or animated anything. The last two I don't care so much about, but the first one leads to some frustration since I always feel like I'm out and about on my own doing these things. She does like to travel, which is where we find some common ground, but I feel like we have different goals in how like to spend our time traveling. She's also much more into staying at a high-end hotel and doesn't like getting her hands dirty much.

She also has an irrational fear of most animals, while I love them, which jibes against me wanting to have pets.

A big source of frustration is that she hasn't been able to get steady employment, perhaps partly because she has an associate's degree in general business studies from a small foreign college. I feel like I've become super cheap and I'm constantly worrying about our finances. I worry about how we'll get along with my being a student (med school), and her averaging only 15 hours/week, although it does pay well on a per hour basis (20/hour). She doesn't have a driver's license and doesn't care to drive. She insists on moving someplace with public transportation. I worry that she will be dependent on me to get around or go anywhere unless we live in a large metropolitan area.

The other thing that leads to frustration is the language barrier. I met her while living abroad, but now four years later my language skills are a bit crap. Unfortunately, her English ability isn't that great either. There were free lessons at a local library and cheap classes at a local college, but she didn't want to go as my mother also expressed in going together. Which leads to another point of stress, which is that my parents aren't particularly fond of her, and this has lead to quite a few arguments between myself and my parents, which in turn has completely stressed my relationship with my parents. My parents were (are) against our marriage, and they offered several reasons for why they didn't think it was good idea (no readily employable skills, no plan for what she wants to do). In retrospect, I feel that their reasoning was actually solid, though at the time I took it as a personal challenge and now I bear a fair amount of resentment, perhaps in part because I feel like they were right.

The worst part is that all of this is totally hampering our sex life, or at least mine. I'm not really feeling an emotional connection when we have sex. It feels sort of mechanical. I'm not expecting porn star sex (in fact, I'm not really into that so much, usually). This is another issue that is sort of old, and I've been growing increasingly urgent and insistent in talking about. The wife, though, is difficult to talk to when it comes to sexual issues. I'm very open, while she is very conservative when it comes this. I'm not sure if we just aren't particularly sexually compatible or if this is something can even be "fixed" or negotiated. Sorry if this is totally TMI.

Sorry for the long post. I have talked with the wife multiple times about all of these things. I don't know if these issues will ever be resolved. I feel like I should keep trying, but TBH, I'm starting to get emotionally exhausted. To complicate things, I've developed a crush on a classmate who pretty much fits my profile of what I want out an ideal partner. She doesn't know, and I don't plan on telling her. Ever. But I feel like the infatuation is a symptom of all the above mentioned frustrations.

I'm not really sure what to do from here on out, and although I have seriously contemplated divorce recently, it scares the **** out of me. Even worse, is that the wife generally feels like the marriage is total solid.

TL;DR I feel like I completely ****** up in handling my relationship, married someone incompatible, and now I'm in an emotional torture chamber contemplating divorce.

I think you should probably end this now, before you start school. Just rip off the bandaid. When you start making the big bucks as an attending, you should offer to buy her a house back in her hometown and maybe give her a lump sum for uprooting her life during a pretty pivotal time professionally for anyone.
 
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