Politics and Anesthesiology

[matt1234321]

With a democratic house and senate, what does this mean for anesthesiology?

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[AAAnesthesia]

Democratic House = Yes

Democratic Senate = nobody knows yet (ie Virginia still up in the air d/t likely recount)

it'll be interesting how everything plays out...

 

[matt1234321]

51 dem-49 rep

Even if Webb somehow loses the recount it would split the senate 50-50.
Im really wondering what the democratic agenda is conscerning physicians and helathcare as a whole, and specifically anesthesia.

 

[sallyjoe]

51 dem-49 rep

Even if Webb somehow loses the recount it would split the senate 50-50.
Im really wondering what the democratic agenda is conscerning physicians and helathcare as a whole, and specifically anesthesia.

In the senate the Democrats need 51 seats for a majority since the Republican Vice President Dick Cheney casts the deciding vote in the case of a tie.

Democrats are the party of the CRNAs. Bill Clinton’s mom was a CRNA. He gave the key note address at the last AANA meeting.

Democrats want cheap unlimited health care for everyone, which was Hillary’s plan for socialized medicine. Part of that agenda is cutting reimbursement, doctors salaries and finding more providers to fight over what is left i.e. free practice rights for the CRNAs.

I am glad W. got the message and sacked Rummy, but much of the democratic health care agenda is not good for us Anesthesiologists and our wallets.

 

[dhb]

much of the democratic health care agenda is not good for us Anesthesiologists and our wallets.

That's not enough to vote for an idiot like W

 

[sallyjoe]

That's not enough to vote for an idiot like W

It is sad W. has screwed things up this badly. It could be a decade before the republicans get back the house and senate. Scary thing is the democratic wave could sweep Hillary into the presidency and then the whole medical profession will be in serious trouble. Hillary calling the shots forcing socialized medicine upon us.

"The only way we can win is to leave before the job is done." --George W. Bush, Greeley, Colo., Nov. 4, 2006

 

[jwk]

With a democratic house and senate, what does this mean for anesthesiology?

To actually answer your question instead of Bush-bashing...

ACCESS TO CARE needs to be the buzzword, and it is NOT a Democratic or Republican issue. Both of them have constituents who will continue to have trouble getting ACCESS TO CARE as more and more physicians, including anesthesiologists, decide not to accept Medicare patients.

The ASA-PAC contributes to both Democrats and Republicans based on their relationship and leanings towards organized medicine and/or the ASA.

I'd urge you to get involved if you haven't already - contribute to the ASA-PAC and attend the ASA Legislative Conference in Washington, DC in May. It's an eye opening experience.

 

[sallyjoe]

I'll admit that the ASA has been pretty useless here. I find it hard to send any money to them.

Don't count on the ASA and AMA to supprt ya. They're tied in with the worthless-crats.... ---Zip

I refuse to give the ASA one red cent. The ASA is part of the problem.

The sooner we recognize that they don't represent the working anesthesiologist, the better off we will be. We need to form an organization that represent someone other that academic department chairmen, exploiters of anesthesiologists or employers of anesthesiologists.

"I'm the decider, and I decide what is best. And what's best is for Don Rumsfeld to remain as the secretary of defense."—George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., April 18, 2006

 

[toofache32]

That's not enough to vote for an idiot like W

Yeah. Sure. And thus we would have been better off with Al "I invented the internet" Gore.

 

[toofache32]

Im really wondering what the democratic agenda is conscerning physicians and helathcare as a whole, and specifically anesthesia.

I'm sure it's the same agenda as always....to f*ck the wealthy by giving their money to the less wealthy. It never changes.

 

[cfdavid]

Yeah. Sure. And thus we would have been better off with Al "I invented the internet" Gore.

that dude's such a pawn it, he cracks me up...lol

 

[VolatileAgent]

I refuse to give the ASA one red cent. The ASA is part of the problem.

The sooner we recognize that they don't represent the working anesthesiologist, the better off we will be. We need to form an organization that represent someone other that academic department chairmen, exploiters of anesthesiologists or employers of anesthesiologists.

please elaborate.

specifically, 1) in what exact way are they "part of the problem" and, 2) how you will proceed and succeed in forming a new organization with the goals you've set herein.

 

[LostTommyGuns]

I think that people over-estimate the likelyhood of socialized medicine, if/when we get it, it more than likely won't be a single large change but rather many small incremental ones.

In other news: I'm interested to know what the ASA does or doesn't do to support Anesthesiologists... and Bill Clinton's mom was a CRNA? Aw Crap.

 

[VolatileAgent]

I think that people over-estimate the likelyhood of socialized medicine, if/when we get it, it more than likely won't be a single large change but rather many small incremental ones.

... which is sort of what's already been happening.

In other news: I'm interested to know what the ASA does or doesn't do to support Anesthesiologists... and Bill Clinton's mom was a CRNA? Aw Crap.

first, i'm interested to hear this as well from sallyjoe (or whomever else) believes that the asa is "part of the problem." it's easy to come on to an internet forum and make such broad, sweeping - and more importantly meaningless - statements without backing them up.

secondly, as has been previous addressed, clinton's mom is indeed an nurse anesthetist, yet at no time during any of his major surgeries did a crna participate in his care.

 

[johankriek]

I refuse to give the ASA one red cent. The ASA is part of the problem.

The sooner we recognize that they don’t represent the working anesthesiologist, the better off we will be. We need to form an organization that represent someone other that academic department chairmen, exploiters of anesthesiologists or employers of anesthesiologists.

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amen to that brother

 

[dhb]

Yeah. Sure. And thus we would have been better off with Al "I invented the internet" Gore.

For all you folks that don't seem to know socialised medicine costs money (a lot)... that the US doesn't have all of it beiing in... China "That has driven the country's foreign exchange reserves to over $980 billion -- the largest in the world -- and they are expected soon to top $1 trillion."
http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/061110/china_trade_surplus.html?.v=7

so don't panic socialised medicine won't be coming your way soon, medicare cuts maybe but who makes money off of that anyway?

 

[dhb]

Yeah. Sure. And thus we would have been better off with Al "I invented the internet" Gore.

How about W "I reinvented Vietnam... twice" Bush

 

[toofache32]

...secondly, as has been previous addressed, clinton's mom is indeed an nurse anesthetist, yet at no time during any of his major surgeries did a crna participate in his care.

As if this was his choice.

 

[toofache32]

Since when did the deficit really matter? We've been in the hole for decades and it doesn't change anything. But it's a good tool for those who like to dance around the issues in true democratic style.

 

[VolatileAgent]

As if this was his choice.

i dunno. ask militarymd. i'm sure he could've requested a crna for his minor procedure that mil "drew up the drugs for" and "participated in his care outside the or" for.

 

[Conflicted]

Amazing

I have seldom seen a "junior" have such little respect for his elders and superiors as you. I think you are in for a rude awakening my son.

i dunno. ask militarymd. i'm sure he could've requested a crna for his minor procedure that mil "drew up the drugs for" and "participated in his care outside the or" for.

 

[toofache32]

i dunno. ask militarymd. i'm sure he could've requested a crna for his minor procedure that mil "drew up the drugs for" and "participated in his care outside the or" for.

True. I didn't think of it that way.

Amazing

I have seldom seen a "junior" have such little respect for his elders and superiors as you. I think you are in for a rude awakening my son.

What on earth are you talking about? Who are his elders/superiors here? I must have read this thread too fast.

 

[VolatileAgent]

Amazing

I have seldom seen a "junior" have such little respect for his elders and superiors as you. I think you are in for a rude awakening my son.

yeah, what on earth are you talking about?

militarymd, by his own previous admission, stated that he was involved in president clinton's care while he was in office. it was not said by him at the time that he made that information known on this forum that the former president's condition he presented to bethesda naval hospital was an "emergency" situation, nor was there any such emergency situation known to the public during his 8-year term. therefore, militarymd could best clarify whether or not a crna was invited to participate in his care.

aside from that, you are reading WAY too much into my statements.

 

[aredoubleyou]

i dunno. ask militarymd. i'm sure he could've requested a crna for his minor procedure that mil "drew up the drugs for" and "participated in his care outside the or" for.

Common, leave it alone. It was nice having you two not fight for a couple days...like when your kids are at eachothers throats all the time. Or, uhhh, I guess considering your ages, more like when your parents are fighting every day

 

[dhb]

Since when did the deficit really matter?

HAHA the true american style: why not spend if the deficit doesn't matter btw can you read a graph? it doesn't seem like there was a lot of deficit in Jan 01!
I'm just pointing out that no money means no socialised medicine

 

[Khalid]

Common, leave it alone. It was nice having you two not fight for a couple days...like when your kids are at eachothers throats all the time. Or, uhhh, I guess considering your ages, more like when your parents are fighting every day

VolatileAgent (and to a lesser extent MilitaryMD) is an angry, ANGRY man, but I learn alot from his posts. Leave him alone.

 

[VolatileAgent]

VolatileAgent (and to a lesser extent MilitaryMD) is an angry, ANGRY man, but I learn alot from his posts. Leave him alone.

sorry you have that impression. i have a great life. great wife. great kids. i am very happy. i just see the potential future of our profession if apathy and "doing things the way they've always been done" mentality prevails. i also see a lot of bad information passed along in this forum by people who should know better. and, when i point this out, i'm chastised as some whipper-snapper neophyte who doesn't know what he's talking about and "will see when get to the 'real' world". but, the fact remains that i'm already older and have a lot more life experience than a lot of attendings who post here. so, do i get frustrated? occassionally. but, angry? no.

 

[Khalid]

... but, the fact remains that i'm already older and have a lot more life experience than a lot of attendings who post here. so, do i get frustrated? occassionally. but, angry? no.

I was just teasin' VA

Hey, I'm your biggest fan and have learned alot from your posts! You're message is one that needs to be heard IMO and I can tell you're smart as hell. However, I get the feeling you don't "suffer fools" very well and your retorts come off as more than a little condescending from time-to-time.

Because I want your message to be heard and enjoy your posts, I fear you might be intimidating some posters and possibly turning others off with your condescension.

I bet you really appreciate this arm-chair psychoanalysis, huh???

Again, because I'm a fan, I dont want your frustration getting the best of you and you not coming back...

 

[VolatileAgent]

Hey, I'm your biggest fan and have learned alot from your posts! You're message is one that needs to be heard IMO and I can tell you're smart as hell. However, I get the feeling you don't "suffer fools" very well and your retorts come off as more than a little condescending from time-to-time.

Because I want your message to be heard and enjoy your posts, I fear you might be intimidating some posters and possibly turning others off with your condescension.

well, not bad armchairing. perhaps you're pretty close to being dead on. however, a lot of my "expressed frustration" is truly narrowly focused, but maybe in general i do need to "lighten-up" a bit.

 

[jwk]

well, not bad armchairing. perhaps you're pretty close to being dead on. however, a lot of my "expressed frustration" is truly narrowly focused, but maybe in general i do need to "lighten-up" a bit.

All this kissing and making up without the moderators' help or censorship?

 

[OmahaMX80]

There's nothing wrong with helping people and making a good living. Most of the thoughts put forth on this thread seem to be motivated primarily by the latter. If going into anesthesiology means becoming a greedy b*stard who'd rather leave a system in place that costs more than any other industrialized nation any doesn't even provide for its citizens, then hell with it.

Yeah, I'm young and haven't experienced as much as y'all. I just hope when I have I don't become so f'ing bitter.

 

[matt1234321]

There's nothing wrong with helping people and making a good living. Most of the thoughts put forth on this thread seem to be motivated primarily by the latter. If going into anesthesiology means becoming a greedy b*stard who'd rather leave a system in place that costs more than any other industrialized nation any doesn't even provide for its citizens, then hell with it.

Yeah, I'm young and haven't experienced as much as y'all. I just hope when I have I don't become so f'ing bitter.

I'm with you man, what about the women trying to raise 3 kids and work for minimum wage without child support. While I'm lining my pockets with gold and chillin in my hot tub, I could sure spare a few dollars for the poor. As far as morals and christianity are conscerned, I'm all republican. When it comes down to spare change I am democratic all the way.

 

[militarymd]

sorry you have that impression. i have a great life. great wife. great kids. i am very happy. i just see the potential future of our profession if apathy and "doing things the way they've always been done" mentality prevails. i also see a lot of bad information passed along in this forum by people who should know better. and, when i point this out, i'm chastised as some whipper-snapper neophyte who doesn't know what he's talking about and "will see when get to the 'real' world". but, the fact remains that i'm already older and have a lot more life experience than a lot of attendings who post here. so, do i get frustrated? occassionally. but, angry? no.

That sounds exactly like what some CRNA's say ...the ones who are older...have been around a while....absolutely does not believe in supervision or direction.....are bitter, but denies it.....and hate anesthesiologists

 

[VolatileAgent]

That sounds exactly like what some CRNA's say ...the ones who are older...have been around a while....absolutely does not believe in supervision or direction.....are bitter, but denies it.....and hate anesthesiologists

except i'm a doctor and an anesthesiologist who's working, not just in this forum, to effect positive change to increase our political presence and protect our profession, and not providing bad advice and suggesting that "everything is okay" and we just need to stay the course.

i'm not against you, dude. believe it (and like it) or not, we're playing on the same team.

 

[OmahaMX80]

As far as morals and christianity are conscerned, I'm all republican. When it comes down to spare change I am democratic all the way.

How I wish separation of church and state wasn't merely theoretical.

 

[militarymd]

i'm not against you, dude. believe it (and like it) or not, we're playing on the same team.

I know we're on the same team.....

 

[dhb]

I know we're on the same team.....

whoo hoo peace and love

 

[Noyac]

All this kissing and making up without the moderators' help or censorship?

I don't know if any of the other mod's that used to butt in all the time and that run their forums with an iron fist are watching but I HOPE SO.

I'll openly thank those involved for playing in the sandbox nicely. Especially, on a thread that is such a controversial topic.