Oral and maxillofacial surgery

[Dentist1]

The title indicates the field that I am talking about.I would appreciate if anybody could let me know if this specialty has the scope of practising or for that matter getting into training for facial plastics.Keep in mind this specialty is for dental school graduates and not doctors.
All responses will be appreciated.

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[OzDDS]

The title indicates the field that I am talking about.I would appreciate if anybody could let me know if this specialty has the scope of practising or for that matter getting into training for facial plastics.Keep in mind this specialty is for dental school graduates and not doctors.
All responses will be appreciated.

Yes.. this issue has been extensivly covered before.. do a search.

 

[OzDDS]

The title indicates the field that I am talking about.I would appreciate if anybody could let me know if this specialty has the scope of practising or for that matter getting into training for facial plastics.Keep in mind this specialty is for dental school graduates and not doctors.
All responses will be appreciated.

Yes.. Graduates of OMFS residencies are able to perform facial plastics similar to ENTs. Also, graduates of omfs residencies are also eligible to apply to plastics programs afterwards if they wish.. just are graduates of general surgery, orthopedic, urology, and otolaryngology residencies.

If you have an interest in a particular subspecialty you could just do a fellowship year or two after residency.

Hand reconstruction fellowship: is shared between graduates of ortho and plastics
Craniofacial Fellowship: is shared between graduates of omfs and plastics.

following a residency in omfs you could do:

Oncology fellowship
Plastics residency or fellowship
Microvascular fellowship
Craniofacial fellowship



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http://www.umm.edu/doctors/robert_a_ord.html
http://www.umm.edu/doctors/eduardo_d_rodriguez.html
http://www.umm.edu/doctors/alexander_e_pazoki.html
http://www.csmc.edu/6753.html
http://www.georgetownuniversityhospital.org/body.cfm?id=841
http://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/plasticsurgery/Faculty/tufaro.html
http://plasticsurgery.stanford.edu/faculty/girod.html
http://www.rch.org.au/plastic/staff.cfm?doc_id=7231
http://www.umm.edu/doctors/john_f_caccamese, jr..html
http://www.surgery.medsch.ucla.edu/plastic/doctors_Kawamoto.shtml
http://surgery.vanderbilt.edu/surgery/plastic/cfa/index1.htm

 

[toofache32]

Take your troll questions here:

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=192571

Oops, it's closed...I wonder why?

 

[drhobie7]

The title indicates the field that I am talking about.I would appreciate if anybody could let me know if this specialty has the scope of practising or for that matter getting into training for facial plastics.Keep in mind this specialty is for dental school graduates and not doctors.
All responses will be appreciated.

I figure you have your answer by now. But I had to add that dental school graduates are doctors. We are not physicians. Please update your lexicon. Thank you.

 

[tx oms]

The title indicates the field that I am talking about.I would appreciate if anybody could let me know if this specialty has the scope of practising or for that matter getting into training for facial plastics.Keep in mind this specialty is for dental school graduates and not doctors.
All responses will be appreciated.

Shut up. Harvard sucks.

 

[OzDDS]

http://www.plasticsurgery.wustl.edu/Teaching/History.asp

 

[shiftyeyes]

following a residency in omfs you could do:

Oncology fellowship
Plastics residency or fellowship
Microvascular fellowship
Craniofacial fellowship

{/QUOTE]

Of course, you don't stand a snowball's chance in hell of getting one of these fellowship spots unless you are a DDS/MD or DMD/MD. So, in the words of the OP, you need to be a dentist and a "doctor" to do these fellowships.

 

[OzDDS]

following a residency in omfs you could do:

Oncology fellowship
Plastics residency or fellowship
Microvascular fellowship
Craniofacial fellowship

Of course, you don't stand a snowball's chance in hell of getting one of these fellowship spots unless you are a DDS/MD or DMD/MD. So, in the words of the OP, you need to be a dentist and a "doctor" to do these fellowships.

Actually this not true..


Here are a couple single degree fellowship trained Surgeons:

Craniofacial fellowship trained
http://www.oralmaxfacialplastic.com/cbluffs/JMHeit.htm

Microvascular/Oncology fellowship trained
http://surgery.med.miami.edu/oral/chief.asp


Yes, It is true that on average more of the dual degree guys tend to move on to fellowship programs, but that doesn't mean that the single degree guys are not just as eligible to matriculate.

With the only exception of the full plastic surgery residency which is AGME reguated not Dental regulated and requires the MD.

Craniofacial is as I said before a shared fellowship which is open to graduates of either OMFS or Plastics residencies.

A lot of times the only reason an OMFS would have to enter the full plastics residency post OMFS anyway would be to gain more experience in full body free flaps and burn/scar revision.. or unless they were just tired of pulling peoples skulls and faces back together and wanted to move on to something more interesting.. like big boobies!!

 

[shiftyeyes]

Actually this not true..

Yes, It is true that on average more of the dual degree guys tend to move on to fellowship programs, but that doesn't mean that the single degree guys are not just as eligible to matriculate.

On average? I'd say that the overwhelming majority of OMFS doing fellowships are dual trained.

 

[Dentist1]

Is this something that you observed as a trend or is it statistically supported?

On average? I'd say that the overwhelming majority of OMFS doing fellowships are dual trained.

 

[Dentist1]

Thanks doc.It was an interesting and informative thread,minus the slander.I meant it to be physician,when I referred to them as doctors.

Take your troll questions here:

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=192571

Oops, it's closed...I wonder why?

 

[navysurgeon]

I'm just curious...but is the original poster interested in both omfs and facial plastics, or is he using omfs as a route into cosmetic surgery?

if you're truly interested in facial plastics, and don't plan on doing any dentistry in the future, then why are you becoming a dentist? why are you not becoming a physician?

are you disinterested in everything else in plastic surgery besides cosmetic facial surgery?

XNS

 

[shiftyeyes]

I'm just curious...but is the original poster interested in both omfs and facial plastics, or is he using omfs as a route into cosmetic surgery?

if you're truly interested in facial plastics, and don't plan on doing any dentistry in the future, then why are you becoming a dentist? why are you not becoming a physician?

are you disinterested in everything else in plastic surgery besides cosmetic facial surgery?

XNS

Exactly. Why don't you enlighten all of us Dentist1?

 

[shiftyeyes]

Is this something that you observed as a trend or is it statistically supported?

This is a trend. Most OMFS residents will tell you that this is also a good answer to the "Why do you want to get an MD?" question.

I know of no studies that have examined this. Most OMFS researchers have much better ways to spend their time.

 

[Dentist1]

I am in dental school and just happen to be weighing all the options in front of me.It was nothing but a question out of curiosity.

I'm just curious...but is the original poster interested in both omfs and facial plastics, or is he using omfs as a route into cosmetic surgery?

if you're truly interested in facial plastics, and don't plan on doing any dentistry in the future, then why are you becoming a dentist? why are you not becoming a physician?

are you disinterested in everything else in plastic surgery besides cosmetic facial surgery?

XNS

 

[Radpimp]

Just to add, I don't think an Oral surgery graduate can directly enter into a plastics residency without satisfying the 3 year requirement for general surgery as they will finish with only one year. This was told to me by a oral surgeon MD/DDS who had to go back to do two years of general surgery before going into his plastic surgery residency.

 

[toofache32]

Just to add, I don't think an Oral surgery graduate can directly enter into a plastics residency without satisfying the 3 year requirement for general surgery as they will finish with only one year. This was told to me by a oral surgeon MD/DDS who had to go back to do two years of general surgery before going into his plastic surgery residency.

It's 2 years total of general surgery.

http://www.abplsurg.org/training.html

 

[novacek88]

I don't generally question those who aspire to be oral surgeons but the ones who aspire to perform cosmetic surgery especially in areas outside of cranio-facial area aka breat augmentation are just seeking a back door to become a plastic surgeon because they probably lacked the grades to get into medical school in the first place.

Now I'm certain some aspiring OMFS will present a nice argument about the virtues of being certified in OMFS before moving on to living his Nip/Tuck dream but we all know they are full of it: "Yeah, I want do everything related to maxilofacial surgery but inserting breast implants and performing liposuction is just an added bonus." Suuuuuuure

 

[toofache32]

As an OMFS, my arguments really only relate to facial cosmetic procedures. Most non-OMFS people don't realize that this is part of the contemporary scope of OMFS training and is part of the board exams. Cosmetic surgery to me is infinately boring but it's something we're required to be knowledgable about along with craniofacial/orthognathics, TMJ surgery, bone grafting, etc.

I haven't yet decided what to think about the OMFS (or ENT) guys who do full-body cosmetic procedures since this is not performed in any residencies I am aware of (except Nebraska's OMFS). On one hand, the vast majority of these people have done some sort of fellowship (plastics or otherwise) to learn these procedures, so they really can't be regarded as the cowboys that some people like to think they are. And I would have a hard time arguing with the high-volume caseloads that some of these fellowships offer. On the other hand, it's not addressed in the board exams and you are left with the American Board of Cosmetic Surgery which is not yet recognized bt the ABMS. In the end it's just another turf battle guided by politics and money.

 

[oncall]

In my limited knowledge of dentistry when someone gets an oral surgery residency I believe that they get an MD (sidetrack) also. I remember some oral surgery residents who told me that they went back to med school 3rd and 4th years (truncated with less expectations) and then a few years of OMF training. As a package deal they got an OMF certification and a MD to add to their DDS.

 

[toofache32]

In my limited knowledge of dentistry when someone gets an oral surgery residency I believe that they get an MD (sidetrack) also. I remember some oral surgery residents who told me that they went back to med school 3rd and 4th years (truncated with less expectations) and then a few years of OMF training. As a package deal they got an OMF certification and a MD to add to their DDS.

Boy this post is a blast from the past.

The medical degree is optional and peripheral to oral & maxillofacial surgery training. A dental degree is required, however. Some residencies require it, some make it optional, and some don't offer it. The optional ones generally have you do the 3rd and 4th years of med school after you complete your residency. People rarely take this option because they aren't gaining much as they are already board-eligible/certified oral & maxillofacial surgeons. The programs that require the MD (like mine) usually integrate it into the middle of the residency, similar to how other specialties have their residents spend a year or 2 in research. One month you're a resident and the next you're a med student and you keep going back and forth while in "med school." We generally have to use any med school electives and vacations to go back on service with OMS. Most integrated programs have you take the USMLE step 1 during your first year as an OMS resident or during your last year of dental school after the match. This lets us go directly to the 3rd year of med school. In my program we only do 4 months of the 4th year of med school (core rotations). Then it's back to OMS for the rest of the time.

The only reason I point all this out is because many people think the procedures we perform are related to a medical degree, when in fact you don't learn this stuff in med or dental school....you learn it in residency. Out of about 10 full-time faculty, we only have 1 with a medical degree. And they all staff us for the same procedures. This includes 2 faculty who are regarded as leaders in facial trauma and craniofacial disorders.

Only about 40% of residencies offer medical degrees and even fewer OMSs out in the real world have both degrees.

 

[dr rohan]

hello doctors
i m maxillofacial surgeon (MDS) from india and want to join residency program in maxillofacial surgery in usa.. kindly help me through the procedure.. thank you

 

[parekh Prashant]

greetings doctors. I am in a fix here. Need you to throw some light.

I am an international dentist. I came to US did AEGD residency for 2 years with Lutheran Medical center and got into Accelerated dental staff program in udm school of dentistry. I graduate with DDS next year.
I am passionate about joining oral surgery program however I am in the dark as to what to expect from oral surgery profession at the end of 4 year program.
What procedures do most oral surgeons perform on regular basis? Some oral surgeons I spoke with said they carry out mainly 3 molar extractions and implants..Some said they were hospital based.
I am 28 years old and have a wife. Considering starting a family in next couple years, is spending 4 years worth it in this era of dentistry? Are there fellowships to pursue oral surgery????
PLEASE HELP.