A nurse is more useful than a pathologist in a medical emergency.
Without a doubt. So is a paramedic.
The ED is the turf of the Emergency Physician.
Have you ever worked in an ED??? I really doubt it. You'd be surprised at how much RN, PA-C, EMTs, etc really do. However, when it comes to a physician who works in an emergency room then yes, I supposed the emergency physician would be ideally suited for that job.
Just because one is a medical doctor does not mean that one knows anything of what EM physicians do or that the ED is part of one's "turf".
Of course they don't know what an EM physician knows. This is what a residency is for.
It's laughable that you think a seasoned dermatologist or pathologist will remember what they learned back in med school or 1st year residency. 5+ years out...any doctor will only remember what they do day in and day out.
God it's really funny that I am having this argument with a pre-OD student. Jesus.
Anyway, if my argument was that a derm/path will remember things well from medical school and be the ideal person to work in an emergency situation then you would have won right here. However, it isn't and you're still horribly wrong. Of course doctors aren't going to remember little esoteric things from medical school, or a four week rotation. This again, isn't the point. The point is that a ****ing OD has none of this experience whatsoever and is not a medical doctor. Do I need to post the curricula differences again, or do you remember them from before??? You know your argument sucks, hence why you keep doing things like telling an accepted medical student that I have 'so much to learn' when you're going to Optometry school (eventually). Do you not see how insane that is??? I don't claim to have a great knowledge of how physician's memories work or, hell, even experience in the rotation/residency system, but I am god damn sure I know more than you. God DAMN sure.
You reek of insecurity and ignorance.
Alright, time for the head shot, you're done, etc. Let me see if I get this straight Dr Eye ...
1.you are a pre-optometry student who has lurked into the DO forums from a completely unrelated set of forums to argue a case. You have left your home turf and come to mine, not the other way around, and I am the insecure one??? You kicked down my front door while I'm watching the Laker game on the couch, started screaming, and I'm the irrational, ignorant one???
2. After a string of posts in this thread about why you want to have your cake and eat it to, you are still doing things like starting threads in the OD forums asking who can prescribe contact lenses, AND essentially were told that in places like CA, any MD/DO can legally, and essentially any opthalm can, anywhere, but you still feel the need to tell me I'm insecure?? Where are the threads I started asking these questions???
3. You blatantly said that an MD/DO calling themselves a doctor in a hospital was just as dangerous as an OD calling themselves a doctor in the hospital. Yeah, totally valid, logic, and secure. You're right, I'm the one making ranting, blanket claims.
4. I tell you I think you are being absurd. Not only do I do this, but I also demonstrate that I'm not so big of an ass as to think that any MD/DO can fly into a situation and be the chief (obviously they can't), but I also demonstrate where physicians are given experience in these areas AND still explain that I think EMS/RNs who deal with this stuff all day can handle it just as well. Does this sound like someone who is insecure??? Admitting that a paramedic can do a medical job better than a physician like I am trying to become???
5. You then make no regards to my comment, proceed to tell me that I know nothing about this process, act like some old sage (when chances are you are younger than me and have never stepped foot inside these forums before this thread), and then call me insecure and ignorant? Neither could be further from the truth.
Listen ... the argument of this entire thread is simple, let me break it down one more time (with emphasis on things we discussed) so you can see:
1. ODs are doctors. They have a doctorate in optometry and are licensed to practice optometry. Calling themselves doctors in their office, or a party, or in public is absolutely fine.
2. Anyone with a doctoral degree can call themselves a doctor. This is fine. However, the problem is that people have doctorates in specific subjects, and when people call themselves doctor in a situation where the norm for responsibilities of a 'doctor' does not fall under the umbrella of their doctorate, it is inappropriate.
3. In a hospital setting, the appropriate candidate for the doctor title are medical doctors: IE MDs and DOs. The hospital is a unique setting in that a misrepresentation of a title can lead to serious consequences as physicians in the hospital are responsible for patient care, and if a patient assumes a non-physician is a doctor, people can get hurt.
4. Since it is bad to have patients suffer, it is probably only appropriate for physicians to call themselves doctors in a hospital setting. This leads to the best patient care (though it could bruise some egos).
(onto our argument)
5. Though they may not be experts in emergency medicine, or even remember much about how to handle critical situations, given the ultimatum between a physician in any field (even one as far away from threatening situations as pathology or dermatology) and an Optometrist handling a critical, emergency situation, the physician would be the appropriate choice and would be much 'less dangerous' than an OD trying to handle the situation. Support for this argument can be seen in the difference in training (both in the classroom and clinical level) between ODs and DO/MDs.
Done. These are the facts, you can scream and rant and tell me I'm foolish and insecure all you want, but this has been my thesis the entire time and I assure you that you calling me insecure and ignorant is hilarious. Good luck with getting your OD.
You're an idiot.
