*~*~*~* Official AMCAS "Work/Activities" Tips Thread 2020-2021 *~*~*~*

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The AMCAS Application will be opening soon, and with it comes a ton of questions. The "Work and Activities" Section is probably the most talked about section. For reference, here are three older threads that contain lots of valuable information about this section:

Great tips for entering your "Work/Activities" for AMCAS (2005-2010 thread)
*~*~*~*Tips for Entering your "Work and Activities" in AMCAS*~*~*~* (2011-2012 thread)
*~*~*~*Official AMCAS "Work/Activities" Tips Thread 2012-2013*~*~*~*
*~*~*~*Official AMCAS "Work/Activities" Tips Thread 2013-2014*~*~*~*
*~*~*~*Official AMCAS "Work/Activities" Tips Thread 2014-2015*~*~*~*
*~*~*~*Official AMCAS "Work/Activities" Tips Thread 2015-2016*~*~*~*
*~*~*~*Official AMCAS "Work/Activities" Tips Thread 2016-2017*~*~*~*
*~*~*~*Official AMCAS "Work/Activities" Tips Thread 2017-2018*~*~*~*
*~*~*~* Official AMCAS "Work/Activities" Tips Thread 2018-2019 *~*~*~*

*~*~*~* Official AMCAS "Work/Activities" Tips Thread 2019-2020 *~*~*~*

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Please Note: This is a particularly difficult section of the application. On almost every point there are differing opinions, and ultimately you need to create the work and activities section that is best for you, but being consistent is important. Take all advice offered here as a piece of the solution, but often not the ultimate word on the subject.

This FAQ is a work in progress and has been built by many contributors over many years. Any suggestions are welcomed and appreciated, especially when editing is needed to reflect changes in the AMCAS application form.


Work and Activities FAQ

1. What is the Work/Activities Section all about?

This is where you get to talk about your extracurricular activities, or "ECs" as they are referred to around SDN. This includes things like research experience, tutoring, academic awards, volunteer experience, clinical experience, etc. Everything that you ever wanted an admissions committee member (AdCom) to know about you to show that you are in fact a good candidate for medical school.

2. What kinds of categories can I put things in?
Artistic Endeavors
Community Service/Volunteer - Medical/Clinical
Community Service/Volunteer - Non Medical/Clinical
Conferences Attended
Extracurricular Activities
Hobbies
Honors/Award/Recognition
Intercollegiate Athletics
Leadership - Not Listed Elsewhere
Military Service
Other
Paid Employment - Medical/Clinical
Paid Employment - Non Medical/Clinical
Physician Shadowing/Clinical Observation
Presentations/Posters
Publications
Research/Lab
Teaching/Tutoring/Teaching Assistant

3. What kinds of things should I put in each category?
Part of this will be a judgement call. Adcoms are aware that things may fall into more than one category. For instance, if you are a Lead TA, you may want to separate it into two entries, one for Leadership and the other for Teaching/Tutoring. If you feel like you are more deficient in one category than another, then you may want to list it in the category where you are lacking something to balance out your application.

Some examples of things to list in each category:

Leadership - Not Listed Elsewhere
-Club officer
-Student activism/government/Greek activities
-Starting a non-profit/student organization/business

Honors/Awards/Recognitions
-Academic awards such as honor societies, dean's list, etc.
-Interesting certifications or recognitions you have such as a black belt in a martial art, placing in a competition, certified as pilot, etc.
-Received competitive research position or project funding for which you applied.
-Phi Beta Kappa

Community Service - Medical/Clinical
-As LizzyM likes to put this one, if you are close enough to SMELL patients, it is clinical. This is pretty much the prevailing wisdom on SDN.

Community Service - Non Medical/Clinical
-If it doesn't fall into the above, you didn't get paid for it, and it isn't a leadership or teaching opportunity, it probably falls here
-Include things like volunteering for non-profits and charitable organizations, volunteer work you have done at your school, etc.

Teaching/Tutoring/TA
-Includes not just TA or tutor, but also mentoring and coaching.

Conferences Attended
-Use this if you were a keynote speaker, received major recognition, were an organizer, or held some other leadership role. If the conference gave you an opportunity to do a poster or podium presentation, that should be listed elsewhere tagged with a label where application screeners can easily find it (Presentations/Posters), and with the name of the conference included.

Most of the other categories should be pretty self-explanatory.

4. They are giving me a lot of space to describe each activity....how the heck should I enter them in? Is less more? Should I use up all available space?
Unfortunately...you will never get a clear cut answer to this one. But we can give you some possible techniques and advice

a) - One school of thought is that this is not the time to pontificate. Describe the activity if it needs describing (if you think it is something an AdCom member will not know about) and otherwise, be pithy with your description. Many think that talking about what you learned from the activity is not appropriate in this section, and is better saved as material for secondary applications.

b) - Another school of thought is that this is exactly the place to address why you got involved and/or what you learned from an activity because you may not get another chance in a secondary application. Those from California especially feel this pressure since most of the secondaries at California Med Schools are screened (you do not automatically get a secondary; they review your primary application first and decide if you are worthy). Because of this it is tempting to spew as much as possible here.

c) - Approach C is a combination of the two approaches. Spew when necessary (an unusual activity that may need a little bit more explanation to understand its depth, and you learned a lot from but you are NOT addressing in your PS) and limited description of commonplace application items (ER scribe, general hospital volunteer, MCAT teacher/tutor).

You can really go down two general paths when it comes to entering the activities in: paragraph form or bullet points. Go with what comes most naturally to you, and don't force yourself to conform to a style that you think is inappropriate for the information you are trying to convey and your writing style.

Another trick for entering your activities is to use a catchall description that allows you to enter several different activities under one heading so that you are not wasting multiple spots. For example:
Activity: "Undergraduate Work Experience". Category: Paid Employment - Non Medical/Clinical.
[Input the other header information (time span, total hours, contact, etc) for the first activity listed. Similar info for the additional experiences would be put in the narrative space.]

Starbucks Barista
-Responsible for training new employees, customer service, and product ordering.
-Worked while attending school full time

Also:
Paid Intern - June 2016 - August 2016
Contact: Jane Doe, Secretary, 555-123-4567
-Worked at the Mayor's Office for the City of Memphis.
-Responsible for...
-Worked 40 hours per week while taking 1 summer class. Total Hours 400

Summer Grocery Store Worker - May 2015 - August 2015
Contact: Jill Doe, Manager, 555-234-5678
-Worked as a cashier for a major grocery store chain
-Worked 30 hours per week while attending school. Total Hours 600
-Responsible for....


5. Is work experience really that important for me to list? Who is going to care if I worked at a grocery store for 2 years, 20 hours a week, while in college? The Work/Activities section is there for you to show off all of your skills. Holding down a job while continuing to be a learner (student) is a huge skill that not every medical student can bring to the table. It also shows commitment, reliability, and an ability to tolerate some suckage, something that every job has, no matter how much you may love it on some days.

6. Should I really list that I was on the dean's list/in an honor society?
Again....two schools of thought here. One is that many applicants have these things, so why list them, when your GPA speaks for itself. The other is that they won't know unless you tell them.

Again, a good trick for entering this sort of experience is to have a catch-all category like "Collegiate Recognitions" where you then list the X number of awards/recognition that you have received. That way you are not taking up multiple spaces for things you don't need to emphasize.

7. Do AdCom members really contact people in the "Contact Information" field of this section? What should I do if I don't have a good contact for an activity?
In the past, AdCom members rarely contacted these people. However, the application changed a few years ago to require either a phone number or email address for a contact for most activities listed. Especially if an LOR about the activity was not submitted, be sure your contact is up-to-date and even forewarned, particularly if the activity was substantial and adds great appeal to your candidacy. Some schools check these in detail (often after accepting you) and others not so much, but you won’t know which is which.

There are certainly some activities for which it is difficult to list a contact, like an activity long ago. Here are a few hints: It is best to include the most impartial person possible (so list your mom as your absolute last resort) but you might find the need to list your friend or yourself as a contact. Remember, if the contact is called or emailed, he or she only needs to provide reassurance to the adcomm that you described the activity and timeframe faithfully. These are contacts, not references, so the person who responds does not need to answer questions about your performance or abilities to succeed in medical school.

8. Most Meaningful Activities
a) Is there any benefit to marking three activities as "Most Meaningful" vs. just one?

Again, there are several schools of thought on this issue:
i. You are only obliged to list one activity as "Most Meaningful." If you can express yourself in the first 700 characters, adding 1325 characters about two other activities might bore admissions committee members.
ii. Admissions committees will pay special attention to the activities marked as "Most Meaningful" so mark three activities that are the strongest part of your application. Be sure not to add fluff in the extra space, perhaps including a concise story to help illustrate the "transformative nature of the experience."

b) What happens if I wrote about my Most Meaningful activities in my personal statement?
It is best not to repeat information on your application. There are two options:
1. Pick different activities as your "Most Meaningful".
2. Rework your personal statement. For example, you could use your Personal Statement to address a specific story, patient, or moment, then use the "Most Meaningful" box to provide a more general, big picture message from the activity.

c) Can I use the "Most Meaningful" box to continue the description of my activity? For example, can I use it to list the citations for all my posters and presentations?
Yes, but it is best to use a portion of the box as AMCAS suggests on the application, also. Some creativity will be tolerated. Don't feel obliged to fill the entire space.

9. If I talk about something in my personal statement, should I still mention it in my Work/Activities Section?
Yes, definitely. Don't assume that the same reader will have access to your entire application. Be sure to review Depakote's Personal Statement Guide/Tips since it is a bad idea to have your PS simply serve as a regurgitation of your Extracurricular activities.

10. How should I list Physician Shadowing?
Some recommendations when listing physician shadowing: Group all of your shadowing together, giving a Total Hours for all included physicians. Additional relevant information such as specific dates, subtotaled hours, title ("MD" or "DO"), level of training if not an attending (resident, fellow, etc.), or other notes about the shadowing (i.e. shadowed only during office hours for a surgeon, only during image reading for a radiologist, etc.) can be included. There's no need to describe what shadowing is.

Here's an example of how shadowing can be listed. There is no one right way, so feel free to make your own format:

Experience Type: Physician Shadowing/Clinical Observation
Title: Multiple Physician Observation Experiences
Dates: [Can encompass all the experiences in the space]
Total Hours: [Total hours shadowed for all docs included in the space.]
Contact info, organization name: [Use the info for the first physician you want to list. I suggest listing them by highest total hours or by those most recent and likely to recall you]

Narrative Description Box:
1. 13 hours 5/2019 John Patel, DO, Family Medicine resident
Participated in hospital rounds, meetings, observed longitudinal clinic hours and general scut work.
Also:
2. 20 hours 5/2018 Jill Rosenbloom, MD, Pediatrician. [email protected]
Was able to observe a newborn resuscitation.
3. 12 hours 1/2018-2/2018 Jane Santos, MD, General Surgeon. 555-123-0000 Rory Li, Office manager
Attended general and bariatric office hours. Observed two surgeries.
4. 7 hours 5/17, James Ruzic, MD, Radiologist. [email protected]
Observed image reading.

Also shadowed X other physicians in [list of specialties] for 5-8 hours each during clinic hours in summer 2016.

[General comments on overall experience/impact if space permits]


11. How many spaces are there for activities? How many of them should I use? Should I be trying to fill them all?
You have 15 spaces to list your activities. However, most applicants DO NOT use all of them, in fact, 9-10 are the average used. You should not try to "spread out" your activities for the sake of filling more slots. Be sure that every activity is worthy of being included and that they all improve the admission committee's understanding of you as the applicant.

12. Should I really be talking about my hobbies or artistic endeavors?
If you have some, then list them, especially those that are unusual! Adcomm members like to know what you do to relieve stress and unwind. Group them all together. In a sea of look-alike activities, hobbies may be what helps make you memorable: "That dumpling-maker applicant" or "The fly fisherman."

Some are confused about listing an activity as a hobby or an artistic endeavor. The prevailing SDN opinion about artistic endeavors is that they involve reaching a wider audience (ie publishing or performing instead of just writing and practicing). A hobby is more personal with a limited audience (and doesn't require listing a Contact).

13. Should I list something that I plan for the future but haven't started yet? Can end dates be projected into the future?
The AMCAS application will not accept future months for your start date. If an activity is ongoing, the end date can be no later than the intended start of medical school (eg, August at the end of the current cycle). Note that some categories only require one date, like Awards, Presentations/Posters, and Publications.

14. How should I list publications? What if I have "submitted manuscripts," not actually accepted yet?
Publications are worthy of their own slot, even if you already have a "Research" space. For a contact, use the PI that you worked with. For Organization, you can use the name of the organization that publishes the journal. For date, use the publication date, or if accepted for publication but not yet published, use the acceptance date. In the description, it is a good idea to include enough of a citation for an adcomm member to find the paper if he/she is curious enough to look it up. Include enough of the author's list so that your place in the authorship can be determined, or state that you are the third author.

Do not consider a poster or presentation abstract published in a Conference Proceedings Booklet to be a "Publication" for AMCAS purposes. If the abstract were to appear in a paper journal (or a supplement to one) and be PubMed searchable, then you can call it a Publication for AMCAS purposes (and you'd include the word "[Abstract]" in the citation).

If a manuscript is only submitted or needs major revisions, then it is still a future activity which you cannot include as a Publication. If it is published or accepted for publication, then you can include it.

Keep in mind: "Having publications is mostly icing on the cake though less than 20%-25% of all applicants have ANY kind of publication, poster or presentation at ANY level, campus-wide symposium and up" (per Gonnif).

15. How far back should I go listing activities?
Any activity you engaged in after High School graduation may be considered potentially relevant. Strictly speaking, there is no rule that you can't include a High School-only activity, but if you do so, it should add substantially to your application, so you aren't wasting space for something that adcomms are unlikely to regard. This would include Experiences that began during HS (or even before) and either continued into the college years or resumed sometime later. Examples of life-long activities that might help your application would be Fine Arts or Sport involvement.

If you are a nontraditional applicant, then your more recent accomplishments are the most important to highlight. In that case, consider grouping your high-yield, college-related activities together under the "Other" designation.

16. What order should I input my activities in?
It doesn't matter! The AMCAS application automatically organizes the activities in a chronological order. Adcomms can reorder the activities by any parameter they choose.

17. What are the maximum "Total Hours" I can list for an activity?
The most that can be entered are 99999 Total Hours.

18. How should I go about naming an activity?
You can use 60 spaces for the title of each entry:
-If your position comes with a title, you can use that if it reflects what you do adequately, eg, Vice President of a Student Rockclimbing Association (especially if the name of the organization is Hawkeye Mountain Goats, which doesn't tell us enough). Or, Research Affiliate, vs Research Associate, vs Research Tech, vs Researcher on Infant Cognition Project.

If your official title isn't sufficiently descriptive, feel free to improvise.

-If you are a general member of an organization and will hold a higher office in the future, since it can't be listed under Leadership on its own before you start the position, you can sneak it into the application with the title you pick, eg: General Member and President-Elect of Campus Recycling Initiative.

-If the activity covers two categories, since you can only designate one, in some instances you might choose a name that conveys the other designation. For example, Research/Lab can be paid, volunteer, or via class credit. Unless you are washing glassware, you might decide to select Research/Lab so it won't be overlooked, but could title the activity Animal Handler for Smith Lab through Work/Study Program. Exception: If your research activity earns class credit, the transcript will speak to this so it isn't necessary to repeat the information.

-If you are grouping multiple similar activities together to save space, be sure the title you pick encompasses all of them, eg, Summer Camp Volunteerism, or College Seasonal Employment, or E-Publications of Graphic Novels, or Searchable Published Abstracts, or Leisuretime Activities, or Undergraduate Recognitions, or Fraternity Involvement.

-Try not to repeat the same organization name in the title you give the activity. Example:
For an experience titled: President of Pre-Medical Society, consider an alternative for the organization name: perhaps incorporating AED spelled out, or Office of Collegiate Affairs (or whatever dept oversees all student organizations), or your school's name.

19. What would I use the "Repeated" button for?
Say you volunteered at the same hospital for three summers in a row. All the header information is the same for each summer experience but your participation wasn't continuous. So you can fill in a separate date range for each of the three summers and enter a different Total Hours. The same might apply to sport team involvement, thespian commitments, marathons run, seasonal job with the same company, etc. Note: The program will give you an error message if you don't enter them in chronological order. And it won't save the information you enter until the problem is corrected.

Another potential use would be to differentiate completed hours vs future projected hours for an activity in which you are already engaged, by using the current month as the End Date for the first date span and then again as the Start Date for the future hours.

Or the Repeated feature can be used to separate decades of involvement (showing lifelong dedication to a sport or music, eg), divided into college years & after, HS years, and even childhood years.

All the timeframes you choose to include will appear above the narrative box, each with their own estimated hours.

20. How do I describe my Research-related activities?
Some Research description guidelines (YMMV):

Each project can start with a one-sentence nontechnical description that a lay person can understand. After that feel free to use jargon, if you have space for more discussion. Borrowing from Gonnif: If you have XXX hours of research
1) and just describe your tasks in the lab, its unimpressive
2) if you discuss the connection to understanding research it's better
3) if you state/imply what personal characteristics this work says about you that's good
4) if you integrate this all along with social/professional interactions in lab, that's great
5) if you develop themes in this EC that interconnects with similar themes in other W&A along with PS and secondaries, thus showing a consistent pattern as a candidate, that would be the best

Feel free to sort them into more than one space if you have multiple experiences. If grouping them, sort by timeframe, project type or discipline, importance, by class credit/volunteer vs employment.

You will have to decide how to present these experiences to best represent you. Perhaps projects from long ago need less emphasis. Those most recent will likely serve you better if more detail is given.

Any poster, pub, or presentation that took place at a campus venue should be mentioned with the affiliated Research entry. Any that occurred at a regional/national location or appears in a journal deserves its own spot, if you have space. If any of those data sharings came out of the same project, they could be mentioned together in one spot tagged under the highest prestige format: National Pub > Regional Pub > Abstract in a national journal > National Poster/Presentation > Regional Poster/Presentation > abstract in a conference brochure > campus pub > campus poster/presentation.

Any format for citation is fine, including abbreviated versions when you are short on space. Long author lists can be shortened by stating your place on the list, the PIs name, and et al., titles can be shortened to general topic, PMID# can substitute for much of a citation if necessary. If the paper is accepted but not yet published, add [in press] in place of unknown information.

If the data set from the campus presentation was later presented in poster format at a regional conference and then finally published in a national journal, you would cite is under Publication and then mention after the citation in the same space, "Data also presented orally at DDDD College Research Symposium x/x/xx, and again as a poster that won second place at the YYY Conference in Tucson z/zz/zz date."

If you were not the presenter for your poster, but your name is on the author list, you can include it, but give credit to the presenter, as research is a team sport, and it's important to give credit where it is due. If you presented, it's fine to say so.

There is little value in using a Conferences Attended slot, if you have already mentioned the name of the conference in a Posters/Presentation or Publications entry.

A manuscript in preparation or submitted doesn't belong on the application, but if you feel compelled to mention it regardless, add it at the end of a Research description on the affiliated project. An exception might be if your productivity is proven, in which case a submitted manuscript can be added to the same space as your cited publications, if room is available, and if your PI will include mention of it in their letter for verification.

If you wrote the grant that got funding or navigated an IRB process, mention it.

Use the MM space for impact, insights, how you were inspired, future directions. If some of the research description spills over into this space, you won't be the only one who's used it that way. Just be sure that at the 700 character mark you end a paragraph so it will flow smoothly into the MM space (which is distinguished by a blank line, like a paragraph break).

Succinctness is always good.

FAQ are continued in the next space.
 
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FAQ (continued). This is a work in progress.

21. a)
Does anyone have any recommendations on how to list a fraternity experience? I listed it as just a one year thing (president year) even though I was in it for four years. I held other positions throughout the four years that I could include.
If you want to list it as Leadership, you could include all the years where you held office (using the Repeated feature if this was just for the academic year and not year-round) and call it maybe, Leadership Roles with XXX Fraternity, giving just the dates of leadership in the header and those dedicated hours. You could refer to the membership in the narrative, if you like, but would not add those hours.

If you want to speak more widely about general frat membership and include leadership among those comments, you'd instead use the tag Extracurricular, or Other (and could include community service if that was a part of the experience, or alternatively, split it out with its own hours into a Community Service-tagged space).

b) I have the same question for sorority experience! I was a member for 3.5 years and our philanthropy was very important to me (a local women's shelter) so I would like to be able to list this as a volunteer experience.
If you want to list it as Community Service, you could include all the years where you gave time to your cause (using the Repeated feature if this was just for the academic year and not year-round) and call it maybe, Philanthropic Involvement with XXX Sorority, giving just the dates of volunteerism in the header and those dedicated hours. You could refer to the membership in the narrative, if you like, but would not add those hours.

If you want to speak more widely about general sorority membership and include philanthropy among those comments, you'd instead use the tag Extracurricular, or Other (and could include leadership roles with that, or alternatively, split them out with their own hours into a Leadership-tagged space).

22. Can I assume that adcomms will see my application as I see it in PDF (accessed through the Main Menu>Print Application)?
The good news is yes. The application is transmitted in plain text and rendered in PDF by each school's specific application system. Why it is done this was partially simplicity of program used by the initial AMCAS system and partly for baseline security. You can't implant malicious code in plain text, so only the text of your application is transmitted, gets repopulated at each school's AMCAS-compliant system, and recreates the application. Who knew that nearly 20 years later, the simple text system is still the hardest to break into.


Proceed to questions and responses below.
 
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Would it be worth listing that I was a delivery driver through multiple companies like Grubhub and Doordash while in college?
 
Would it be worth listing that I was a delivery driver through multiple companies like Grubhub and Doordash while in college?
Adcomms would like to know how you spent your non-classroom hours in college. Assuming you have Contacts to verify your hours, you might consider grouping them all in one space since the job description is similar.

If you had other short-term collegiate employment, you might even add it to the same space.
 
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I have a substantial amount of research hours (~600) from high school, ending the week before I moved into college. Can I lump this in under a "research assistant" listing that includes my research experience during college as well?
Yes. Research-oriented med schools will be interested to know that your interest began early and shows increasing involvement and responsibility in scholarly investigations. If the HS activity was substantive, and you have the extra room, you might even consider giving it its own space.
 
I am a non-trad applicant. I worked as a full-time teacher and am currently working as a full-time computer science/physics researcher. Would you recommend I place these two positions under Teaching and Research/Lab or both under Paid Employment - Non-Clinical? These two jobs were my sole sources of income and I have been surviving on my own and will be working full-time while doing my post-bacc. I think letting the adcoms know I'm working full-time while doing my post-bacc would be beneficial, but I am worried placing them under Paid Employment will cause the adcoms to not think of these as teaching or research hours when they filter by category.
I would support using Teaching and Research/Lab. In the title (and/or description) you give the activity, you can use words like "Paid," "Employment," "Hired," or "Full-Time, " etc, to make it clear that the activity was not volunteer or for class credit. An exception might be if you had other research (or teaching/tutoring/TA/coach) to list, perhaps from your undergrad years, in which case listing the more recent gig under Employment would be preferred as a signal of greater responsibility and creative input.
 
I had an online article written about me and my undergrad research by my university, is this worth including in my application. If so, where should I put it/mention it?
Including this is not going to enhance your candidacy. A glowing letter by your research PI will be far more impactful.
 
I began doing research at a lab in the summer starting in HS and continued into college. I finished the summer after my freshman year of college. The work I did in hs is important because it builds up to the project I did in college, which was published.
1) Do I list the hs part, or just the college part? Do I include Hs hours?
2) Also, it's only in the summers so do I have to use intervals?
1) IMO, you can list the HS research involvement the continued into the college years in its own space, with it's inclusive date span and all the total hours.
2) If the name the space Summer Biochemistry Research Involvement (or whatever) you won't need to use the Repeated feature, as the title makes the intermittency clear.
 
I have received competitive grants/awards/etc. for projects that I have executed on. Do you feel it makes a big difference to list these separately as honors/awards vs listing them under the activity for which I received the funding?

Most of my grants etc. are for specific ventures with the funds being put towards that purpose. An analogous situation might be listing research grants under the research role itself vs as a separate entity if anyone has had success with one or the other.
I prefer to see awards, recognitions, grants, etc, related to a project mentioned in the context that makes them more meaningful to the reader. Making a laundry list of all of them in one Awards space may not make that possible.
 
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I have two activities that I'm not sure if I should list as Leadership or Non Clinical Community Service:
1. I've held multiple officer positions (including 1 yr president) for a club that holds weekly meetings, fundraising, etc (not community service) plus gardening at a local community garden (community service + I wrote about this aspect in my PS)

2. I co-founded and have been an officer for a club that tutors and mentors kids in a local high school. This involves a lot of organizing, communicating with teachers, running meetings (not community service), plus doing the actual tutoring/mentorship sessions for 2 hours/week (community service). I also want to use this as one of my Most Memorable experiences.

I already have all 15 slots taken so I would prefer not to split these up into their components, but I could if that's the best approach. I only have one other activity with ~70 non clinical community service hours outside of these two so I feel like I should draw attention to more... I was thinking I could maybe list the first one as Leadership but talk about the community service in the description since it's a relatively small part of the club, and list the second as Community Service but include the leadership aspects in the title and description since the tutoring is really the main point of the club?
 
I have two activities that I'm not sure if I should list as Leadership or Non Clinical Community Service:
1. I've held multiple officer positions (including 1 yr president) for a club that holds weekly meetings, fundraising, etc (not community service) plus gardening at a local community garden (community service + I wrote about this aspect in my PS)

2. I co-founded and have been an officer for a club that tutors and mentors kids in a local high school. This involves a lot of organizing, communicating with teachers, running meetings (not community service), plus doing the actual tutoring/mentorship sessions for 2 hours/week (community service). I also want to use this as one of my Most Memorable experiences.

I already have all 15 slots taken so I would prefer not to split these up into their components, but I could if that's the best approach. I only have one other activity with ~70 non clinical community service hours outside of these two so I feel like I should draw attention to more...

1) I was thinking I could maybe list the first one as Leadership but talk about the community service in the description since it's a relatively small part of the club, and
2) list the second as Community Service but include the leadership aspects in the title and description since the tutoring is really the main point of the club?
1) When using the designation Leadership-Not Listed Elsewhere, the inclusive dates and hours should refer to the leadership component only, IMO. It would be fine to add in the description that you "also spent XX hours in gardenwork, not included in the above totals."

2) That sounds good. Include "Tutor" in the tile along with the reference to your leadership role.
 
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Can scholarships be included in the awards/recognition? For example, I received a quarter tuition scholarship to undergrad and a half tuition scholarship for my Masters Degree, both merit-based.
 
1) When using the designation Leadership-Not Listed Elsewhere, the inclusive dates and hours should refer to the leadership component only, IMO. It would be fine to add in the description that you "also spent XX hours in gardenwork, not included in the above totals."

2) That sounds good. Include "Tutor" in the tile along with the reference to your leadership role.

1. Thank you!! I'll do that
2. OK! Also, how should I list the hours for this one? It's probably about 100 hours of tutoring and ~300 ish of outside work, so it might be misleading to list 400 for the total community service hours
 
Can scholarships be included in the awards/recognition? For example, I received a quarter tuition scholarship to undergrad and a half tuition scholarship for my Masters Degree, both merit-based.
As long as the scholarship wasn't based on meritorious effort in HS, you can list it under Awards/Recognitions. Be sure to mention the criteria and to give an indication of how selective the award was. If the dollar amount was substantial, you can mention it.
 
1. Thank you!! I'll do that
2. OK! Also, how should I list the hours for this one? It's probably about 100 hours of tutoring and ~300 ish of outside work, so it might be misleading to list 400 for the total community service hours
2) If the "outside" work consisted of running meetings, organizing, and communicating with teachers, it is still OK to include those hours as part of the community service/volunteer effort.
 
I volunteer (both clinically and nonclinically) at a clinic, along with shadowing. Where on the application do I put this, and should I divide this up into 3 sections or keep it as 1 large chunk under the same clinic?

This was at a clinic for the homeless; nonclinical was mostly admin stuff and setting up meetings, ect. Clinical was directly with the patient, such as taking vitals. I'm just afraid of "double dipping" on an application.
If you have the spaces, and the carved out hours for all three activities can stand on their own, you can use three different spaces, each with their own hours, category, and description, even though the dates, location, and Contact would be the same.

Thinking back over the time spent with the activities, you probably have a good idea of the percent time spent in each category, and can extrapolate hours from that. As long as your Contact agrees with your assessment, you're good to go.

If the nonclinical volunteering portion is on the low side, another strategy to "beef up" the space, would be to combine two nonclinical activities in one slot.
 
Currently aiming to apply this upcoming cycle. Had planned to get some shadowing done in March, April, May, but the pandemic complicated those plans.

I want to know how I should proceed given a lack of explicit shadowing hours.
I did have an internship working closely with a doctor in a clinic for ~150 hours and was present for hundreds of patient interactions where I essentially was shadowing for a good chunk of my total internship time.
1) Would this clinical experience be enough to substitute for shadowing hours?
2) Should I list it instead as shadowing on my app versus a clinical experience?

3) Alternatively, would it be acceptable to contact doctors to schedule shadowing in the future once COVID-19 clears up, and include those tentative hours on my application?
1) Yes.
2) I suggest carving out the shadowing hours and not including them in the Internship space. Put them under their own designation (Shadowing/Clinical Observation), with their own dates and (ideally) with the physician as the Contact (a backup being the internship coordinator). The rest of the internship hours and experiences (like if you actually performed helpful tasks) can be listed under, for example, Other in another slot.
3) Future Activities cannot be entered into the application as the program won't let you save a future date. Further, adcomms won't take future plans into account during their decision-making, as they all too often fall through.
 
I started working at my Dad's store when i was a sophomore in college. In 1 year, I basically took over the managerial position and ran the store for 3 years following (30-40 hours a week).

However, I was never paid a salary, nor was I an "employee". How do I put this on my applications for Med school?
Many applicants have worked for a family business. Did your parents feed, cloth, or house you during that time? Or did they pay for your educational expenses? Then you can (and should) list it under Employment-Not Medical/Clinical.

Though you did not receive a cash salary, you were an employee. And to your credit, it was a position with responsibility that will add luster to your candidacy. AMCAS and adcomms don't care about the lack of cash compensation. Using "Other" is an option, but if screeners are specifically looking for past jobs (and the resulting responsibilities), they might miss it.
 
I worked as a phlebotomist for a little over a year, but it was for a pharmaceutical donation center (CSL Plasma, BioLife). Does that count as clinical? I’m on the fence since they weren’t patients, but I was doing a medical task...
A great experience, but NOT clinical for med school application purposes, since you were not interacting with "patients."
 
As long as the scholarship wasn't based on meritorious effort in HS, you can list it under Awards/Recognitions. Be sure to mention the criteria and to give an indication of how selective the award was. If the dollar amount was substantial, you can mention it.

Thank you! What if the undergrad scholarship was awarded in high school, but maintained all four years of school? It's offered to less than 5% of students who are accepted, was renewable with good academic standing, and was worth over $10k each academic year.
 
1) Yes.
2) I suggest carving out the shadowing hours and not including them in the Internship space. Put them under their own designation (Shadowing/Clinical Observation), with their own dates and (ideally) with the physician as the Contact (a backup being the internship coordinator). The rest of the internship hours and experiences (like if you actually performed helpful tasks) can be listed under, for example, Other in another slot.
3) Future Activities cannot be entered into the application as the program won't let you save a future date. Further, adcomms won't take future plans into account during their decision-making, as they all too often fall through.

Off this, for a clinical job where I shadowed a surgeon at the beginning, would it be appropriate to have two entries, one for shadowing X hours and another for clinical experience - paid for Y hours so long as the hours aren't double counted?
 
What if the undergrad scholarship was awarded in high school, but maintained all four years of school? It's offered to less than 5% of students who are accepted, was renewable with good academic standing, and was worth over $10k each academic year.
It's OK to list if you state the college criteria for continuing the scholarship.
 
Off this, for a clinical job where I shadowed a surgeon at the beginning, would it be appropriate to have two entries, one for shadowing X hours and another for clinical experience - paid for Y hours so long as the hours aren't double counted?
Yes. Include any other shadowing you did in the same space as the surgical shadowing.
 
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Is it reasonable to combine and list publications under honors/awards? I do not have space for both in my activities list, and would like to accommodate them.
Do you mean that you've used up all of your spaces so you can't list all your publications under one Publications tab?

If so, rather than group your pubs with your recognitions, can you manage to fit the citations into the same space as the Research description?

If I am not understanding, please clarify.
 
Categorization question: I’ve been playing volleyball for nearly 15 years of my life. I was on my college’s club team and was captain for a year. Should I list volleyball as a “hobby” to emphasize the longitudinal commitment and importance to my life or “leadership” to emphasize the leadership position? I have some leadership elsewhere, but most of my other leadership experiences are less explicit (smaller roles, categorized as teaching, etc.)
 
Hi Catalystik! Yes, I've used up the rest of my spaces in the activity list. I also have fellowship awards that I'd like to include.

I can try to fit the publication under the research tab. One issue is that I have graduate research, encompassing 3 different labs + 3 pubs so it may be difficult to fit it (I am including them under one slot). But if that is preferred, I can definitely make it happen!
The types of schools your application would appeal to will look for pubs. They won't be looking in the Awards area. You don't need to give a full, formal citation. A PMID# would suffice in a pinch.

Alternatively, are any two other activities you could combine?
 
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Categorization question: I’ve been playing volleyball for nearly 15 years of my life. I was on my college’s club team and was captain for a year. Should I list volleyball as a “hobby” to emphasize the longitudinal commitment and importance to my life or “leadership” to emphasize the leadership position? I have some leadership elsewhere, but most of my other leadership experiences are less explicit (smaller roles, categorized as teaching, etc.)
If you list it as Leadership, you'd include only the dates and hours of leadership in that space. You could carve those hours out for one space and then use a Hobbies space for the all inclusive dates and the remaining hours.
 
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For 3 years in undergrad, I volunteered as a firefighter/EMT-B at my local station. My department has one of the strictest training regimens in the state, and as you can imagine, it was pretty long and brutal. Between BEFO/Firefighter-1, the additional probie trainings, and the semi-monthly drills, I probably sank at least 250+ hours just on FF training. I'm not including my EMT class as I took it for credit at a local community college.

Call-wise, I spent around 200 hours on the actual scene. In my app, should I put down ~450 hours for the activity or should I only put down the time I was at the scene?

Additionally, would this qualify as "clinical experience?" About 60% of the calls I went on were EMS related and 30% were non-EMS but involved talking to/comforting people.
Should I put the entire experience as "Volunteering - Clinical" and list the EMS hours in the description, or should I make a whole other activity just for the EMS portion? It seems redundant since I was at the same station with the same roles.

Should I break down "training hours" and "on-scene" hours in the description?
Personally, I would rather see you use two spaces for the two roles. There is a perception that firefighters spend a lot of time sitting around in the station. If you are not explicit about your actual time on the scene, your entry will be open to misinterpretation which would not be in your favor.

In the volunteer firefighter entry (not clinical) mention the separate training hours and the "on-a-call" hours in the description. Include all the hours added together in your Total Hours.

In the volunteer EMT (clinical) entry include the EMS-related hours (stating that those hours were on the scene) and a separate description. You can mention the additional classroom hours of EMT-B training in the narrative, stating that they are not included in the total hours at the top. "Comfort" contact that did not involve your clinical skills can be included with the nonclinical entry.
 
For my most meaningful activities, I want to designate my clinical volunteering at a dementia home, my undergraduate senior Thesis in psychology, and my experiences as part of a dance team.

1) Would that be too weird since not all of them are related to medicine?

2) I only have a LOR from my thesis advisor (unfortunately I don’t have one from any community service coordinators). Should I try and pick another activity that does have a correlating LOR?
1) It's not weird at all.

2) One should pick MM because it's important to you and you have a lot to say, not because of available LOR writers.
 
1) It's not weird at all.

2) One should pick MM because it's important to you and you have a lot to say, not because of available LOR writers.

Thanks for your response!

For the dance team activity, how should I categorize it? For example, I participated in it through all four years of college and I had two leadership positions through it, but the “most meaningful” part of it wasn’t necessary the leadership. Should I split it into two sections?
 
For the dance team activity, how should I categorize it? For example, I participated in it through all four years of college and I had two leadership positions through it, but the “most meaningful” part of it wasn’t necessary the leadership. Should I split it into two sections?
I'd consider it an Artistic Endeavor, as you shared your talent with a wider audience. If you don't want to designate a Contact, you could use Hobbies as the tag (no Contact required). In the title refer to general membership and leadership roles. Since it will be a MM activity, you'll have plenty of characters to describe all your roles.

Alternatively, if you prefer to split the activity and the hours into two spaces (Artistic Endeavor and Leadership-Not Listed Elsewhere), each with it's own date span and separate description, that's fine, too.
 
I currently work as a Deputy Sheriff. Should I list it under work experience, or leave it out? I’ve been working for two years now, would it be a red flag to make a career change so early?
 
I currently work as a Deputy Sheriff. Should I list it under work experience, or leave it out? I’ve been working for two years now, would it be a red flag to make a career change so early?
Considering the responsibility and trust that goes with the position, absolutely list it as Employment on your med school application. Two years is a decent amount of time to stay with a job while preparing to apply to med school. I don't see an issue with your plan to change careers. Of course your boss, might have a different perspective.
 
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I'm starting to put together my application and have a question. A major driving factor behind my decision to enter medicine has been a medical service trip that my family participates in annually with a larger nonprofit organization. The organization itself has delivered primary care to the same town several times a year for over 30 years, as it is in a very remote location and lacks full-time medical staff. The healthcare workers in my family have assisted in one to two trips every year since I was eight, and I've gotten a lot of clinical experience taking patients' vitals and assisting the doctors & nurses etc. I've also helped with fundraising and administrative work for the organization. Would it be inappropriate to write about this experience? I understand that international service trips can be frowned upon as voluntourism.
I think you're fine to include this activity and that it won't reflect negatively on you, so long as the "assisting" you claim you did was something you could have done legitimately in the US (which includes taking VS under a medical professional's supervision).
 
1. For my MPH program, we were required to complete a practicum before graduation. I ended up “working” as an infection preventionist at a hospital for about 320 hours. I did interact with patients regularly and I was getting real work done for the hospital. These hours were all unpaid, so technically I was volunteering my time, but the practicum experience itself was required. Does this count as clinical volunteering even if the primary motivation was to complete a requirement for my MPH program?

2. When I was a second-year grad student, I volunteered to TA for some of the first-year classes. TAs were never paid for their time at my graduate school. I thought about classifying this time as Teaching/Tutoring, but I do have another, more significant teaching experience in my application. Would it be appropriate to call the TA hours non-clinical volunteering, or is that a stretch?

3. Also during my employment, I went through two Joint Commission accreditation surveys. Anyone who has worked in a hospital knows that these are a huge deal, and the admin spends months preparing for them and also months implementing changes afterwards. I really want to include these surveys in the Work/Activities section because they were tremendous learning experiences. But my questions are 1) is that legit? And 2) which category would that fall under? Paid employment? Other?
1) I would call it Clinical Volunteering.

2) I'd have no problem with you labeling it as Volunteer-Not Medical/Clinical.

3) This is worth listing. Few applicants have a complete, extended view of the Joint Commission process. While it was a paid job, you probably have already accounted for the hours you were involved in the process in your Employment entry, so I think entering it under Other, but making the Total Hours 0, 1, or 99 (unknowable number) would be suitable.
 
For the last two years, I have been working with kids with physical disabilities through a special Olympics program. I teach various sports to them and lead them in drills and small games. Would this be considered clinical volunteering since I am interacting with kids that have special needs?
No. But it is a terrific nonclinical volunteer activity.
 
1) I'm trying to figure out what I should name a publication experience. I have two publications on completely different topics (one was clinical and the other was lab-based). If I want to list both in the same section, can I put "Scholarly Journal Articles on (first topic) / (second topic)"?

2) Also, is there a character limit for experience names?
1) Yes.

2) Yes. I counted it out once and it was about 60 spaces as I recall. So your "topic" would need to be very general.
 
I'm currently one over the 15 activities limit and I'm trying to decide what to cut.

Should I remove my senior undergraduate thesis in psychology, or some mentoring I did in the pre-med/science department to other pre-meds at my school? I already have sections on other research I've done so I'm not lacking for research, but I feel like the mentoring I did wasn't very substantial. Do you have any advice you could give?
To help me answer the question:

-Could you mention the thesis' existence in the affiliated Research entry? Or add it to Awards/Recognitions? Or include it with your Pubs (as presumably it exists in print format somewhere citable)?

-How many hours would be listed with the mentoring? Do you have other teaching, TA, tutoring, or coaching experience that you've listed already?
 
Is there a way to list an alternate spring break service trip (within the US, not international) on my application? The trip revolved around food insecurity and included both direct service (at various sites) as well as discussion-based learning about food insecurity.
1) Should I list this at all, and
2) under what category if so?
1) Of course you may list it. Do not include sleep, personal upkeep, or socialization time in your total. List the types of direct service you performed.
2) This is Community Service/Volunteer-Not Medical/Clinical
 
So far I have 200 hours at a clinic, but I plan to continue until next January. This should put me up to about 300 hours.
1, Should I put 200 or 300 hours on my application this cycle, and
2, what is the "end date" I put on the application?
AMCAS: you can divide out the completed vs future hours with their Repeated feature, using the current month for the last date of span 1 and also for the first date of span 2. Total completed and Total planned will both appear at the top of the header. If this were not a solid plan, like you might change jobs or get laid off, then the planned hours should be mentioned in the narrative instead.

For TMDSAS: Dates of planned activities must be between Nov this year and August of next year. (in other words, what will you be doing between the TMDSAS application deadline and the time you might start med school). If you are going to continue some of your current activities during that time, enter them again as planned activities. Don't include vague future activities such as "I want to raise goats and make my own goat cheese someday".

For AACOMAS: I suggest including only the completed 200 hours (which are quite solid IMO) in the header, but adding to the narrative, " I plan to continue until next January for another 100 hours."

Keep in mind that future hours aren't included in adcomm decision making, they are just a signal to adcomms of your intentions, and it's understood that these plans often fall thorough.
 
Hi everyone,

I'm hoping someone can help me with my experiences section. This year, I started a paid internship with my university. I am a home health aid for three students who have special needs and attend a career and life skills program through the university. I live with them in a group home setting that I fully manage. Technically, I do not work for the university. I was hired by each of my clients parents. For two of my clients, I work through separate agencies that define different responsibilities and tasks for me to do with my client. For my third client, her mother pays me a small stipend every month and she lets me have free reign with what I work on with her. Because my situation is so complicated with the separate agencies and roles that I have to fill to help my clients, I don't know if I should break this activity up into three experiences, or if I should only define this as one experience. I am leaning toward calling it one experience because I think it would be easier to write about, but I am open to any suggestions. Thank you so much for your help in advance. I know right now everything is very uncertain, but you can hold on to one thing: if you really want to be a doctor, the timing and the place won't matter, the letters D and R will eventually come before your name some day. Good luck!
 
I'm hoping someone can help me with my experiences section. This year, I started a paid internship with my university. I am a home health aid for three students who have special needs and attend a career and life skills program through the university. I live with them in a group home setting that I fully manage. Technically, I do not work for the university. I was hired by each of my clients parents. For two of my clients, I work through separate agencies that define different responsibilities and tasks for me to do with my client. For my third client, her mother pays me a small stipend every month and she lets me have free reign with what I work on with her. Because my situation is so complicated with the separate agencies and roles that I have to fill to help my clients, I don't know if I should break this activity up into three experiences, or if I should only define this as one experience. I am leaning toward calling it one experience because I think it would be easier to write about, but I am open to any suggestions. Thank you so much for your help in advance. I know right now everything is very uncertain, but you can hold on to one thing: if you really want to be a doctor, the timing and the place won't matter, the letters D and R will eventually come before your name some day. Good luck!
I think that including all thee activities under an Internship entry would work, despite who pays your salaries or stipend. Do you have a university supervisor/oversight that you could use as a single Contact?

Alternatively, if one or two are clearly "clinical" and another is not, you might use two separate spaces, so that the label you use is accurate (clinical vs non-clinical).

Or, if you have the slots, and your roles vary widely, and you have lots to say, you can use three spaces and three different Contacts, and three different labels if they fit better (Employment/Clinical or Non-clinical, Other, eg).
 
AMCAS application questions:

1) Is it best to "differentiate completed hours vs future projected hours" (entering 2 time spans) for an activity I'm already doing and plan to continue, or to simply list the start and planned end date with total hours (summing completed and planned hours) (1 time span)? I'm asking because I'm assuming the latter might look better because it shows a bigger total hour sum for the activity? And I'm worried others will do the latter and they might "look better" and I would be at a disadvantage..?

2) I will be combining swim coaching and swim instructing into one experience box. I did instructing from August 2015 - August 2017, and coaching from May2017-August2017 and May2018-August2018. Is it possible to list these repeated time spans, since they overlap? Also, what is the best way to go about reporting hours for coaching versus instructing, and assigning the hours to the correct timeframes? I'm not sure if this is possible in the actual application. Or, should I just list the total hours, combining both activities?
 
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Not sure if I should split my experience in two categories or not: Founder + Director of nonclinical community service organization, but also a volunteer in my own org.

As a leader and administrator, I would have 250 Leadership hours (200 present, 50 future).
With direct nonclinical service I'd have 44 hours (24 present, 20 future).

Should I split the experience into Leadership and Nonclinical service, or list all the hours under one category (and if so, which)? I'm considering splitting because I have only 2 other experiences categorized as nonclinical volunteering (one 47 hours, one 82 hours), and thought maybe I'd boost this by highlight the org's service aspect.

This organization would definitely be one of my MM's. If I were to split them, also, I'm also not sure which category I should select as MM?
 
AMCAS application questions:

1) Is it best to "differentiate completed hours vs future projected hours" (entering 2 time spans) for an activity I'm already doing and plan to continue, or to simply list the start and planned end date with total hours (summing completed and planned hours) (1 time span)? I'm asking because I'm assuming the latter might look better because it shows a bigger total hour sum for the activity? And I'm worried others will do the latter and they might "look better" and I would be at a disadvantage..?

2) I will be combining swim coaching and swim instructing into one experience box. I did instructing from August 2015 - August 2017, and coaching from May2017-August2017 and May2018-August2018.
a) Is it possible to list these repeated time spans, since they overlap?
b) Also, what is the best way to go about reporting hours for coaching versus instructing, and assigning the hours to the correct timeframes? I'm not sure if this is possible in the actual application. Or, should I just list the total hours, combining both activities?
1) It's best to be transparent and separate out the completed vs future hours, as you will otherwise force adcomms to "do the math" and estimate what your completed hours might be. Most do not list future hours at all. Perhaps because completing them can't be guaranteed. And future hours are not included in adcomm decision-making.

2a) No.
2b) In the narrative, precede the dates for each subcomponent with the estimated total hours for that portion, before you describe the activity. Add the two numbers together for the Total Hours blank.
 
Not sure if I should split my experience in two categories or not: Founder + Director of nonclinical community service organization, but also a volunteer in my own org.

As a leader and administrator, I would have 250 Leadership hours (200 present, 50 future).
With direct nonclinical service I'd have 44 hours (24 present, 20 future).

Should I split the experience into Leadership and Nonclinical service, or list all the hours under one category (and if so, which)? I'm considering splitting because I have only 2 other experiences categorized as nonclinical volunteering (one 47 hours, one 82 hours), and thought maybe I'd boost this by highlight the org's service aspect.

This organization would definitely be one of my MM's. If I were to split them, also, I'm also not sure which category I should select as MM?
I suggest splitting out the leadership for its own space. The nonclinical volunteering (24 hours) could be grouped with the 47 hour activity so the hourly total is more impactful. The future hours could be mentioned in the narrative instead of using the Repeated feature.

Make the Leadership space the MM unless the added comments for the grouped nonclinical volunteering (24+47) would apply to both the experiences in the space and you have a lot more to say about nonleadership aspects aspect of the experience.
 
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Is it ok to combine 2 class projects under "Research/lab" category (if not how should I handle this)? If I did combine, the title would be something like "Experiential class projects"(I am open to other suggestions).

Let me explain - 1 class is all about creating a review of research paper; mine ended up being 42 pgs, about implementing art workshops as CME, and accepted to present at National Conference on Undergraduate Research (which I didn't attend). I'm pretty sure I want to label this as research since I'm weak in Research category. The other was a service learning class where we helped a local organization to create an interdisciplinary solution/project - we ended up partnering with a free clinic to create a board game to reinforce healthy habits in diabetic homeless patients. We consulted many sources to prepare it, but not any scholarly research articles. I also observed the clinic's Health Education Specialist visits for around 10 hours. However I think it would be great to include these as it reinforces an innovative theme. The research class would be 100 hours, the other class around 80.
 
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