Movement vs neuromuscular

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What are the pros and cons of each subspecialty? My worry is movement is now fairly DBS heavy and it doesn’t translate as well to private practice as neuromuscular would with EMGs. Both can perform Botox injections. Did anyone else go through this dilemma, what did they consider in finally choosing a specialty? I also have a plan to work as a neurohospitalist for atleast a few years before returning back to outpatient

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You don't have to do DBS if you don't want to. There are plenty of more clinically oriented movement fellowships. DBS is still useful in private practice and as a therapy is excellent, so you should try to become comfortable with it. You can always refer to academic instituations that offer DBS if you do not ever want to manage it. I bet within 10 years we'll have adaptable DBS doing the bulk of the leg work for us. The demand for movement in private practice is high, though in my experience most places want you to combine movement + general and expect you to see lots of patients daily (not super feasible with movement disorder IMO).
 
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You don't have to do DBS if you don't want to. There are plenty of more clinically oriented movement fellowships. DBS is still useful in private practice and as a therapy is excellent, so you should try to become comfortable with it. You can always refer to academic instituations that offer DBS if you do not ever want to manage it. I bet within 10 years we'll have adaptable DBS doing the bulk of the leg work for us. The demand for movement in private practice is high, though in my experience most places want you to combine movement + general and expect you to see lots of patients daily (not super feasible with movement disorder IMO).
How would that work for movement disorders (seeing lots of patients daily in a reasonable time)? The only patients that are a breeze to see are seizures and headaches, everyone else takes a long time.
 
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Both movement and neuromuscle are predominantly outpatient fields with a high level of patient complexity and as much procedural work as you want to have. Both swing more academic but there are plenty of people practicing out in the community as well. While it's true that both *can* perform Botox injections, at the vast majority of major centers, Botox is "owned" by movement +/- PM&R. That includes EMG-guided injections.

As far as DBS, I would say that the degree to which movement specialists are involved with DBS is highly variable. At most centers there are only a couple of people that are fully involved in DBS - i.e. planning the procedure, going into the OR, performing microelectrode recording and intraoperative testing, etc. Others in the group may want to do their own DBS programming, but more often leave that to the DBS-focused person. I would say half or more of movement faculty at the centers where I have experience have no involvement with DBS other than to refer their patients to us. In the private world, it's rare to have that level of involvement with DBS, but there are DBS-focused movement specialists in the private world who see a high volume of DBS from the evaluation to programming stages. What I've seen most often is that these people refer their DBS candidates to the major center, then get the patient back following initial programming.
 
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How would that work for movement disorders (seeing lots of patients daily in a reasonable time)? The only patients that are a breeze to see are seizures and headaches, everyone else takes a long time.
Sink or swim. You skip over "unnecessary" non-motor symptoms and only do a focused exam. IMO Parkinson's Disease should be treated like ALS clinics but alas no one gives a ****.
 
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Sink or swim. You skip over "unnecessary" non-motor symptoms and only do a focused exam. IMO Parkinson's Disease should be treated like ALS clinics but alas no one gives a ****.
PD is a metric f-ton more common than ALS, which kind of drives this kind of decision.

My exam for PD followups is just the UPDRS-3 which is a 3-4 minute exam when you get gud. History is focused on med management and highly structured. You definitely have to lead the patient through the important questions and not let them take it wherever they want to go.
 
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PD is a metric f-ton more common than ALS, which kind of drives this kind of decision.

My exam for PD followups is just the UPDRS-3 which is a 3-4 minute exam when you get gud. History is focused on med management and highly structured. You definitely have to lead the patient through the important questions and not let them take it wherever they want to go.
Certainly plenty of PD could be managed in a shorter time frame, especially early on. I could be as quick as I'd like but I really like exploring all the motor and non-motor symptoms with them and providing education about them. I think relying on websites and local groups for that is imperfect. I really like to shoot the s*** with my patients too. I know my academic attendings agree with me that 60/30 is better for PD folks. I'll have to see how I feel when I'm forced into 40/20 new/follow ups.
 
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I am neuromuscular PM&R, so I can't really comment on the differences between movement and neuromuscular. However, neuromuscular is primarily outpatient-based with longitudinal follow-up of patients with a variety of peripheral nerve, muscle, and neuromuscular junction diagnoses. There are occasional inpatient consults; however, these typically are just for the EMG. Procedures include heavy EMG/NCS, single-fiber EMG, neuromuscular ultrasound. Depending on your fellowship and future practice setting, some neuromuscular physicians incorporate botulinum toxin injections for headaches and dystonia, but like mentioned, those are often seen by movement disorder. Some upper motor neuron inclusive disorders, such as ALS and PLS and other genetic diagnoses that don't fall nicely into other subspecialties like hereditary spastic paraplegia, use botox injections for spasticity. EMG is a nice procedure because you can either (A) do the procedure on your own patients and follow-up directly or (B) use it as a completely separate part of your practice and purely referral based so you do the procedure and then somebody else has the longitudinal follow-up (neurology, PM&R, neurosurgery, orthopedic surgery, etc, depending on the diagnosis). Neuromuscular is highly academic; however, there are private practices where neuromuscular physicians practice as well, usually as the "EMG physician" but could be the "neuromuscular/EMG physician" in a neurology group. You can see both adults and kids, if interested. It used to be that much of neuromuscular medicine was the diagnosis and then no treatments available for any disease; however, ALS now has 3 medications (plus a brand new one for hereditary ALS), SMA has 3 medications, Duchennes has a few medications, Myasthenia has a whole host of medications, etc (you get the picture). There still are those diagnoses that don't have any good treatments, so those patients end up needing a lot of supportive and rehabilitative care. Multidisciplinary clinics are common, especially with ALS and disorders that fall under the Muscular Dystrophy Association (muscular dystrophies, myotonic dystrophies, CMT, etc.). Some practices even have separate sub-clinics, like a CMT multidisciplinary clinic. It really is a great field and one that is very amenable to a varied practice, a good mix of procedures and clinic, research and clinical trials, and exposure to neurogenetics, nerve, muscle, and skin biopsy interpretation, infusion practices, etc.
 
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I am neuromuscular PM&R, so I can't really comment on the differences between movement and neuromuscular. However, neuromuscular is primarily outpatient-based with longitudinal follow-up of patients with a variety of peripheral nerve, muscle, and neuromuscular junction diagnoses. There are occasional inpatient consults; however, these typically are just for the EMG. Procedures include heavy EMG/NCS, single-fiber EMG, neuromuscular ultrasound. Depending on your fellowship and future practice setting, some neuromuscular physicians incorporate botulinum toxin injections for headaches and dystonia, but like mentioned, those are often seen by movement disorder. Some upper motor neuron inclusive disorders, such as ALS and PLS and other genetic diagnoses that don't fall nicely into other subspecialties like hereditary spastic paraplegia, use botox injections for spasticity. EMG is a nice procedure because you can either (A) do the procedure on your own patients and follow-up directly or (B) use it as a completely separate part of your practice and purely referral based so you do the procedure and then somebody else has the longitudinal follow-up (neurology, PM&R, neurosurgery, orthopedic surgery, etc, depending on the diagnosis). Neuromuscular is highly academic; however, there are private practices where neuromuscular physicians practice as well, usually as the "EMG physician" but could be the "neuromuscular/EMG physician" in a neurology group. You can see both adults and kids, if interested. It used to be that much of neuromuscular medicine was the diagnosis and then no treatments available for any disease; however, ALS now has 3 medications (plus a brand new one for hereditary ALS), SMA has 3 medications, Duchennes has a few medications, Myasthenia has a whole host of medications, etc (you get the picture). There still are those diagnoses that don't have any good treatments, so those patients end up needing a lot of supportive and rehabilitative care. Multidisciplinary clinics are common, especially with ALS and disorders that fall under the Muscular Dystrophy Association (muscular dystrophies, myotonic dystrophies, CMT, etc.). Some practices even have separate sub-clinics, like a CMT multidisciplinary clinic. It really is a great field and one that is very amenable to a varied practice, a good mix of procedures and clinic, research and clinical trials, and exposure to neurogenetics, nerve, muscle, and skin biopsy interpretation, infusion practices, etc.
I think a neuromuscular specialist can also do the muscle and nerve biopsy themselves, in addition to reading it. And in terms of meds, a huge part of neuromuscular is immunotherapy.

Off topic but does neuromuscular have any neuromodulation scope at all? I did enjoy neuromuscular (probably joint top for me alongside stroke, more enjoyable than movement even though my research project is on DBS), but I am trying to see if I can spin my movement project on dystonia into something that would look good for a good 1 year neuromuscular fellowship app (that would follow a 1 year stroke fellowship for a total 2 years).
 
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