I sure did! That or 23, but that may have been another test.
Really, corporate hiring follows the footsteps of school admissions?
Yeah... Not sure how to make it fair unless they use MCAT score ONLY. Everything else (even gpa) is purely subjective.
Well let’s see. Historically people in power have had nothing to do with meritocracy as much as having the right skin color, sex and connections.
Who is saying these guys should have free access to firearms????
Fairness again needs to start from birth. But since it doesn’t….
Well of course he or she will. He or She is Asian. And they “deserve” it.
There was a post on a FB group that I heard about where one of the parents was throwing a fit about their kid not getting into some Private college when they and their parents were previous students. That legacy. So many colleges participate and save slots for these students. And the ones whose parents/family donate. Needles to say, my black and brown friends had to keep their keyboards at bay to not type something mean.
Whatever you want or call it. How many White students didn’t make it?
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Do you also extend this logic to specialty selection? FM/peds/PMR are all inferior to derm/ortho/neurosurg since their mcat and step scores are lower? I mean they score higher so they must be more qualified right?
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Socioeconomic status itself is a bigger factor than simply race. If we look at republican states, a lot are in the Midwest, typically more economically depressed regions. Reflect on the fact that a poorer white family in the middle of the country might really be angered by the idea of affirmative action, when they themselves have a hard life and are not “fortunate” when they compare themselves to the rest of the country.
You do too, you just want yours to be asian or white apparently.... Do you normally ask your physician to produce their mcat and board scores before proceeding with care? Total nonsense.
Association of Sociodemographic Characteristics With US Medical Student Attrition
This retrospective cohort study investigates the association between sociodemographic characteristics and medical school attrition rates in the US.
If a URM doesn't have as much time to study for a test and scores lower is that fair? Are you more impressed by a step score of 260 or a 215 that also worked part time to support a family through med school and had to go pick up their siblings from drug dens in the middle of the night but still found time to volunteer in the free clinic? These scores don't tell you anything about how someone is going to do in any field or what kind of mettle or fortitude they have or what experiences they can bring. It is lazy to think that these scores measure anything other than time and resources available to prepare for a test.
That's an unfair personal attack. I am not discussing the quality of the Orthopedic graduate post residency. I am simply talking about the process for how residency programs now select their students. Why do you think this affects me? Half the entering class of Orthopedic Residents will be still be male of White or Asian heritage. I will have ample graduates to choose from if Color/Race/Gender is the ONLY thing I am looking at in an Orthopedic Surgeon. I have worked with black orthopedic surgeons in the past, both male, and they were just as competent and ignorant as their white male counterparts. One doesn't need to be a rocket scientist to finish an Ortho residency program. In fact, Step Scores/MCAT scores, Grades may matter the LEAST in Orthopedics. My point was about EARNING that spot which so many apparently want to Match into.
I do think it has a lot of correlation to how much of the test material the student has mastered and some correlation with overall IQ. Now, does this correlate with good clinical care? Bedside manner? Work ethic? Personal Interactions? I do like the drama in your example of "drug dens" in the middle of the night while having time to volunteer during the day. Nice touch.
Then why does it matter of they don't use those scores to select their candidates of it has no impact on the post residency graduate quality? Life obviously isn't fair, you got to build and sell a business for massive profit and that opportunity is extinct for the vast majority of people graduating now.
It isn't dramatic, I literally went to medical school with someone who had to do that a few times who also put his time in at the free clinic the school staffed. We were kindred spirits because I too have seen drug dens as I was growing up. The irony is that he did go in to FM but mainly because he wanted to help underserved communities and it aligned with his goals, no idea what his STEP was. I am guessing you never had that experience put upon you--is it fair if I get to use that to get a leg up on you? Is it fair that you didn't have to deal with that **** while I did? Which one is more fair?
You know it.Ortho went woke in the last Match, 2022, to respond to the bad press of being "All White and All Male." Hundreds of very qualified white/asian males were rejected for less qualified female and/or minority applicants. This is an attempt to change the make-up of Ortho as a specialty. The leadrship has finally decided that high step scores and grades are no longer sufficient to Match. Now, race and gender are very important "metrics" for 1/2 of each entering residency class.
Chocho will say it's about time vs my response which is the exact opposite. All I can say is if you are white or Asian med student good luck Matching these specialties because now the spots have been reduced by 1/2.
The whitest specialty: As medicine strives to close its diversity gaps, one field remains a stubborn outlier
The shallow pool of potential orthopedic surgeons from communities of color gets further winnowed at almost every stage. The pipeline is not only narrow, it’s full of leaks.
Socioeconomic status is taken into account by admitting committees.
Oh please. Yes you do. You don’t have children? Or grandchildren? None of them want to be docs like daddy or granddaddy? No nephews? Cousins? Other White Friends kids?
Your experience versus my experience.
African countries. Kids are in school literally 10-12 hours a day with lots of after school and school break tutoring. It’s insane. The poor can’t afford that.
I don’t have access to the article but the parent article talks about how many of these URMs receive overall lower grades in third and fourth year evaluations Compared to Whites and Asians due on implicit bias and racism.
Easily? Really?
Yup. An Asian from Korea is likely gonna be way wealthier and have access to lots more than one from Laos or Vietnam. For sure.
Grading in the 3rd and 4th year clinical rotations is very subjective. There are a few objective data points (e.g. shelf exams), but mostly it's just a matter of whether the preceptor thinks you deserve to fail/pass/honor. Easy to see how racism, sexism, or other cultural bigotry/bias can result in minorities getting lower scores.
Ortho went woke in the last Match, 2022, to respond to the bad press of being "All White and All Male." Hundreds of very qualified white/asian males were rejected for less qualified female and/or minority applicants. This is an attempt to change the make-up of Ortho as a specialty. The leadrship has finally decided that high step scores and grades are no longer sufficient to Match. Now, race and gender are very important "metrics" for 1/2 of each entering residency class.
Chocho will say it's about time vs my response which is the exact opposite. All I can say is if you are white or Asian med student good luck Matching these specialties because now the spots have been reduced by 1/2.
The whitest specialty: As medicine strives to close its diversity gaps, one field remains a stubborn outlier
The shallow pool of potential orthopedic surgeons from communities of color gets further winnowed at almost every stage. The pipeline is not only narrow, it’s full of leaks.
I think you strongly underestimate people on the left. I'm slightly more left than right but the problems with the Dems are obvious, as are the ones with the GOP. Obama is a war criminal, but he's my favorite war criminal. Trump is a seething narcissist and nothing more. He had no agenda except feeding his own ego. Bush was a good guy but a bit foolish at times. Both him and Obama had the genuine belief they were doing the best for the nation, but not so with Trump, who only cares about himself. Joe Biden may not know where he is but he's not a narcissist that's out to enrich himself. Dems may not have big policy goals but they certainly aren't seeking to strip away basic rights like abortion, same sex marriage, etc that most of us more moderate types believe in, as we tend to be live and let live sorts that believe people should dictate their own direction rather than the government doing it for them
Right. Like I was a non trad with a lower income family who joined the military to train and help pay for colleges cuz parents couldn’t afford it and worked my way through college as a nurse and occasionally helped out my parents.
Both parties have failed the country. I wonder who would win if we have a Biden vs. Trump again.
