plz any tell me how long will it take to get license for registration as a doctor in Sweden .i have completed my undergraduate studies in medicine in Pakistan.as i do,t know the rules and do,t know the language
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Well for one, you have to be fluent in Swedish. Do you want to do your apprenticeship/residency in Sweden or work there? If you want to do the former, then I recommend you get in touch with the university that you want to apply to and see what kind of language programs do they offer for foreigners who want to take the Swedish language proficiency exam. If you want to work directly, then like I said, your Swedish has to be close to a native speaker's level. You can also go there and do their intensive language program (usually offered by the universities or certain organizations) which prepare you for taking their proficiency exam (TISUS).
Here are some links that might help you regarding this matter:
http://www.studyinsweden.se/templates/cs/CommonPage____8688.aspx
http://www.studyinsweden.se/templates/cs/Article____7773.aspx
Hope it helps!
Here are some links that might help you regarding this matter:
http://www.studyinsweden.se/templates/cs/CommonPage____8688.aspx
http://www.studyinsweden.se/templates/cs/Article____7773.aspx
Hope it helps!
thanks for reply .actually i have completed my internship in my home country and was doing my post graduation studies in internal medicine so want to continue that ,but i am lost since in Sweden.as most of the sites are in Swedish so less can i understand about the work permit, licensing exams language etc.plus i am also worried as if the books are all in Swedish only then how can i understand the terminology since so for we studied in English.
Well many Swedish medical schools use several english textbooks but the discussions and course work is all in Swedish. Of course some of the texts are in Swedish but I'm sure you won't have a problem. But one thing is that you have to be fluent in the language because it is essential when communicating with the patients (despite the fact that most of them do speak very good english). There are certain specific courses that teach you conversational swedish (upto the native proficiency level) along with medical Swedish (which is mandatory for doctors working or studying there). This is also the same in Iceland, Norway, parts of Germany and so on. These usually use the latin medical terminology (as most of the European countries follow the latin terminology which you should be aware of I'm sure).
Here's a site that might help you regarding working in Sweden:
http://www.lakarforbundet.se/templates/Page.aspx?id=2185
I would also like to add that it's not easy for Non EU citizens to work in EU countries. Usually EU citizens are the first preference followed by the international medical graduates who've studied in the EU countries followed by the medical graduates from other parts of Europe (not in the EU ie. Eastern Europe) and then finally international students. Getting a job is almost impossible unless you have really good grades and an excellent command of Swedish. Even Norway is similar (as it actually pays higher salaries to its doctors which is why many Swedish doctors are moving to Norway).
Here's a site that might help you regarding working in Sweden:
http://www.lakarforbundet.se/templates/Page.aspx?id=2185
I would also like to add that it's not easy for Non EU citizens to work in EU countries. Usually EU citizens are the first preference followed by the international medical graduates who've studied in the EU countries followed by the medical graduates from other parts of Europe (not in the EU ie. Eastern Europe) and then finally international students. Getting a job is almost impossible unless you have really good grades and an excellent command of Swedish. Even Norway is similar (as it actually pays higher salaries to its doctors which is why many Swedish doctors are moving to Norway).
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thanks a lot for your help .let us see what happens to my luck.as i do,t give up that easily so will keep trying as i do,t want to waste my four years.you know wasting this much time for a doctor is like wasting whole life.actually Sweden is a nice place and people here are so sweet that i definetily want to study/job here.anyway good luck to me
Good luck to you indeed. Yes Sweden is quite a beautiful and an advanced place (in terms of health care and economy too ofcourse). Hope you do get to work there. If you ask my personal opinion, I don't think Swedish is really hard (considering you're fluent in either English and better yet, if fluent in German). You'll actually be quite surprised that you'll learn the language quite quickly (and the universities that teach Conversational Swedish + Medical Swedish, do it in a 10 or 11 month course, so that might or might not be an advantage).
Anyways once again, good luck to you.
Anyways once again, good luck to you.
Hey there, if by learning program, you mean a Swedish learning program then you can check out this site:
http://www.studyinsweden.se/templates/cs/CommonPage____4963.aspx
These programs are for students living in Sweden. If you want to find a learning program in your country, then you can check out the same site to see if your county offers Swedish classes.
Good luck!
http://www.studyinsweden.se/templates/cs/CommonPage____4963.aspx
These programs are for students living in Sweden. If you want to find a learning program in your country, then you can check out the same site to see if your county offers Swedish classes.
Good luck!
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hi shreypete
what is the stiuation of jobs there ? is it very hard to get AT post ?how hard is it to get a st post in radiology do u have any idea ?do eu graduates have to do swedish exam also?
thanx
what is the stiuation of jobs there ? is it very hard to get AT post ?how hard is it to get a st post in radiology do u have any idea ?do eu graduates have to do swedish exam also?
thanx
Hey navdoc007, the last I heard, most of the Swede doctors are moving to Norway for better pay. Therefore, unemployment for doctors is definitely not a problem. But in general, it is hard to get competitive spots like radiology. Yes, EU graduates do need to show their command of the language if they want to practice there. The advantage they get is that they don't need to compete for the spots and they will also be placed on a higher preference as opposed to the Non EU and international graduates.
P.S. you might want to look into Norway, because it's one of the best country for doctors (others being France, Netherlands, Sweden, and Belgium)
P.S. you might want to look into Norway, because it's one of the best country for doctors (others being France, Netherlands, Sweden, and Belgium)
In the EU in general, EU grad + EU citizen is given preference. As an EU grad, you likely won't have to write extra exams. But with no EU citizenship, why would a hospital be bothered with getting visas and work permits etc. when they have others who are just as qualified (maybe sometimes less) who need none of this?
Yes. Exceptional international graduate - i.e MD PhD and already specialty trained. It is easier for an american to get a job in the USA and for a european to get a job in Europe. Period.
I never said it was impossible to hop across the pond in either direction, but the fact remains that american jobs are primarily for americans and european jobs are primarily for europeans - as it should be. It should be easier to get a job in your country. You should have priority over people who have immigrated to your country.
Hi All,
Similar question, different scenario. I am an American citizen, will graduate from a Polish Medical program (EU degree) and have started to learn swedish. I wish to practice in Sweden or Norway (not sure yet, still weighing out the Pros and Cons), but not too sure on the procedure as it doesnt seem to be like in the States where there is a central application. I know there are alot of advocates for working in the states, but for my taste would rather have a more relax atmosphere and I guess I got used to the people in Europe and would like to reside within the EU instead. Upon graduation, what is the best way to approach an internship spot (I have a good idea on Norway, but not too sure on Sweden). And does any one know once in Sweden is it possible for my fiance and by then wife, to get a residency in the same city, since being apart would definitely be counteractive and in that case would rather go with the long hours in the states. I have contacted the authorities, but the info is trickling in a little slow, if anyone out there (In Sweden or Norway) has information or better yet has been through the process, it would be greatly appreciated.
Ps. I keep on hearing that once you attain a Swedish Medical License, you are free to practice in Norway (or the rest of Scandanavia) without any extra exams (language or medical), does any one know if this is true?
Similar question, different scenario. I am an American citizen, will graduate from a Polish Medical program (EU degree) and have started to learn swedish. I wish to practice in Sweden or Norway (not sure yet, still weighing out the Pros and Cons), but not too sure on the procedure as it doesnt seem to be like in the States where there is a central application. I know there are alot of advocates for working in the states, but for my taste would rather have a more relax atmosphere and I guess I got used to the people in Europe and would like to reside within the EU instead. Upon graduation, what is the best way to approach an internship spot (I have a good idea on Norway, but not too sure on Sweden). And does any one know once in Sweden is it possible for my fiance and by then wife, to get a residency in the same city, since being apart would definitely be counteractive and in that case would rather go with the long hours in the states. I have contacted the authorities, but the info is trickling in a little slow, if anyone out there (In Sweden or Norway) has information or better yet has been through the process, it would be greatly appreciated.
Ps. I keep on hearing that once you attain a Swedish Medical License, you are free to practice in Norway (or the rest of Scandanavia) without any extra exams (language or medical), does any one know if this is true?
Yes it is true that if you have a Swedish or a Danish medical license, you can work in any of the Scandinavian countries (Except Finland).
Anyways, regarding your wife getting a residency in the same area, it's hard to say. It's very hard to get an option as to where in Sweden you want to work because the system is so competitive that you don't get much of a say as to where in Sweden you want to work. The Swedish medical students usually end up working in all the big cities and the rest are sent to some small towns. Also Sweden doesn't pay her doctors as well as Norway does (a main reason why most of the Swede doctors are moving to Norway). Nevertheless, all the Scandinavian countries are a really good alternative to practice medicine.
But you must learn Swedish to a very high level to be able to practice in Sweden (and you also will have to take certain language courses in Sweden that are oriented towards medical terminology and so on which is important especially when you're on rounds and have patient contact.)
Good luck....both of you might just get lucky (but US is a better bet any day!!!)
Anyways, regarding your wife getting a residency in the same area, it's hard to say. It's very hard to get an option as to where in Sweden you want to work because the system is so competitive that you don't get much of a say as to where in Sweden you want to work. The Swedish medical students usually end up working in all the big cities and the rest are sent to some small towns. Also Sweden doesn't pay her doctors as well as Norway does (a main reason why most of the Swede doctors are moving to Norway). Nevertheless, all the Scandinavian countries are a really good alternative to practice medicine.
But you must learn Swedish to a very high level to be able to practice in Sweden (and you also will have to take certain language courses in Sweden that are oriented towards medical terminology and so on which is important especially when you're on rounds and have patient contact.)
Good luck....both of you might just get lucky (but US is a better bet any day!!!)
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A friend of mine, a Dermatologist working in Norway, advised me to do my training in Sweden, as the Swedish residency is supposed to be better organized. Norwegian residents move around quite a lot due to 1-2 year contracts and don't stay at one hospital during residency like the Swedes usually do, so with regard to your wife also looking for residency, Sweden might seem like a better alternative.
Needless to say, Sweden also has a bigger job market.
I personally wouldn't worry about differences in salaries at all. It's true that Norway pays a little better, but this doesn't mean at all that every doc from Sweden and Denmark is looking to move there.
Good luck !
Thank you both so much for your reply, and for your help. We are taking the Step in a couple of months to cover our bases in the US, but are definitely excited about the way of life in Europe and a better emphasis on family and personal life (something lacking in a US system). The problem we are facing is that we can not find the information of how to enter into the system in Sweden, such as applying for Internship, applying for residency and the language requirements (Norway has been pretty clear about the steps to take, and they have an actual language test before entering, something I hear Sweden doesnt do, they just expect you to know the language, any thoughts?).
There is apparently a way of doing last year elective rotations in Sweden and from what I hear they pay for you being there, does any one know if someone has done this before and if so, who would you contact to have this opportunity and if so how did they go about it?
The comparison in pay is not very clear to me, I have a rough estimate on both countries, but only from statistics, does any one know salaries for internship, specialty and once practicing in Internal Medicine per say (please pardon talking numbers, but have some med loans to pay back).
Best regards
There is apparently a way of doing last year elective rotations in Sweden and from what I hear they pay for you being there, does any one know if someone has done this before and if so, who would you contact to have this opportunity and if so how did they go about it?
The comparison in pay is not very clear to me, I have a rough estimate on both countries, but only from statistics, does any one know salaries for internship, specialty and once practicing in Internal Medicine per say (please pardon talking numbers, but have some med loans to pay back).
Best regards
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Hello,
to get you started, here are some important links:
http://www.socialstyrelsen.se/ ------> you should direct your questions concerning registration etc. at this organization
http://www.lakartidningen.se/ journal for Swedish docs
http://jobb.lakartidningen.se/tjanster.htm?mspec=1&hplac=1&hspec=1
....for jobs
Furthermore,
here's a list of average incomes: http://www.lakartidningen.se/pdf/lonerna.pdf
After graduation, you should normally start as a so called AT Underläkare, this equals internship.
Regarding rotations in Sweden while still in medical school...yes, it's doable, but I would not count on being paid. It's certainly a good way to get an impression of the system. To my knowledge, you would have to contact the hospitals of your interest directly for this. It's not that easy, however, the further up north you go, the easier it generally is
Interestingly, salaries don't vary from specialty to specialty. A radiologist is not worth any more than a pediatrician, this may come as a surprise to most Americans. The only difference I'm aware of is between specialist and general practitioner.
Hope this helps.
to get you started, here are some important links:
http://www.socialstyrelsen.se/ ------> you should direct your questions concerning registration etc. at this organization
http://www.lakartidningen.se/ journal for Swedish docs
http://jobb.lakartidningen.se/tjanster.htm?mspec=1&hplac=1&hspec=1
....for jobs
Furthermore,
here's a list of average incomes: http://www.lakartidningen.se/pdf/lonerna.pdf
After graduation, you should normally start as a so called AT Underläkare, this equals internship.
Regarding rotations in Sweden while still in medical school...yes, it's doable, but I would not count on being paid. It's certainly a good way to get an impression of the system. To my knowledge, you would have to contact the hospitals of your interest directly for this. It's not that easy, however, the further up north you go, the easier it generally is
Interestingly, salaries don't vary from specialty to specialty. A radiologist is not worth any more than a pediatrician, this may come as a surprise to most Americans. The only difference I'm aware of is between specialist and general practitioner.
Hope this helps.
They do expect you to have a good command of the language (same with all the European countries) as you will be communicating with the patients on a day-to-day basis in Swedish. They do have a standardized language proficiency exam called TISUS but I'm not sure whether it's a requirement for doctors who want to work there.
Here are some links that might be of some help:
http://www.goinginternational.org/deutsch/jobs/eb_05.pdf
http://www.lakarforbundet.se/templates/Page.aspx?id=2185
http://www.lakarforbundet.se/upload/Lakarforbundet/In%20English/workinginsweden.pdf
http://www.lg.se/upload/epi/lg/pdf/2005/working_in_sweden.pdf
http://www.sll.se/upload/Personalstrategiska/Utländsk vårdpersonal/eng utländsk doktor.pdf
p.s. Swedish isn't really that hard a language. It's very much related to English (same language family)!!
Good luck
Here are some links that might be of some help:
http://www.goinginternational.org/deutsch/jobs/eb_05.pdf
http://www.lakarforbundet.se/templates/Page.aspx?id=2185
http://www.lakarforbundet.se/upload/Lakarforbundet/In%20English/workinginsweden.pdf
http://www.lg.se/upload/epi/lg/pdf/2005/working_in_sweden.pdf
http://www.sll.se/upload/Personalstrategiska/Utländsk vårdpersonal/eng utländsk doktor.pdf
p.s. Swedish isn't really that hard a language. It's very much related to English (same language family)!!
Good luck
hi ,
you all seem to be wonderful pple trying to help each other . I have finished my postgraduation in OBGY from India ,now my husband who's a orthopaedic surgeon has managed to get a fellowship in stockhome ,sweden. I am completely lost ..... can't any fellowship for myself in sweden in Obgy ... lost abt applying for a job also .....please help
you all seem to be wonderful pple trying to help each other . I have finished my postgraduation in OBGY from India ,now my husband who's a orthopaedic surgeon has managed to get a fellowship in stockhome ,sweden. I am completely lost ..... can't any fellowship for myself in sweden in Obgy ... lost abt applying for a job also .....please help
Hey there drdips, I would suggest that you get in touch with the Medical university hospitals there and proceed from there. I don't really know how the fellowship works for every specialty but the university would definitely help you out. Good luck!!! and if I find anything regarding this, I'll let you know. And if don't mind me asking, does your husband speak Swedish? was that a requirement for him when he applied for the fellowship there? or is he going to be learning Swedish when you guys move there?
Once again, thanks for the help guys, much appreciated. Have been emailing someone in the Swedish medical association and they have explained some things and others are still in the air, so maybe someone out there has been through the process. I am wondering if anyone has gone through intern year ( I believe its called AT year in Sweden) and if so, what did they have to do, I know that come september and february the spots are posted, but once you contact the hospital advertising, is there an application? interview? how long does it take? if you get accepted in more than one place, is there a problem rejecting one of them? and finally are there plenty of spots available? We are definitely willing to go anywhere in Sweden so dont mind applying to hospitals in the north, but was wondering if the rumors were true that not that many people apply for spots the further north you go. Thank you in advance, this is indeed a great thread, you guys are doing an amazing job and helping lots of future doctors out there.
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hi all ,,,this is kunal,, i am very new to this forum,, very much impressed with the way u all are exchanging useful info and helping eachother.
im in a very dilematic state where i actually want to do my postgraduation in sweden,, i did my mbbs here in india, i really dont know what is the procedure to get into pg courses in medicine in sweden and i dont know if thers any exam which we need to clear inorder to get into residency like that for usmle..
i would be very thankful to you people if u can help me out in telling me the prerequisites for entry and getting registered and start working as a doctor in sweden,,
im in a very dilematic state where i actually want to do my postgraduation in sweden,, i did my mbbs here in india, i really dont know what is the procedure to get into pg courses in medicine in sweden and i dont know if thers any exam which we need to clear inorder to get into residency like that for usmle..
i would be very thankful to you people if u can help me out in telling me the prerequisites for entry and getting registered and start working as a doctor in sweden,,
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Doctors from a country outside the EU/EES area need to undergo complementary training in order to be registered as a doctor in Sweden. The National Board of Health and Welfare assesses the medical competence of each individual applicant and decides on what conditions need to be fulfilled (i.e. what complementary training is needed) for registration. Before the Board assesses your medical competence, you must present evidence of sufficient knowledge of the Swedish language. You must then either undergo an examination of your medical competence or complete a probationary period of clinical service lasting at least six months. Normally, it is doctors without a specialist qualification who are required to undergo an examination of their medical knowledge and skills, while specialists with considerable professional experience do the period of probationary work
guys,,,,,can u plz explain this,,like do we have to give any exam in sweden so that we can get licensed to work in sweden as a doctor?? and if yes where can i get relevant information regarding this??
guys,,,,,can u plz explain this,,like do we have to give any exam in sweden so that we can get licensed to work in sweden as a doctor?? and if yes where can i get relevant information regarding this??
Hey kunaldocdude,
Here's a gist to what the paragraph states:
1) The medical graduate outside of EU/EES area has to show a good command of the Swedish language (As opposed to Norway, Sweden doesn't require a graduate to take the Swedish proficiency exam (TISUS) as opposed to Norway where it clearly states the requirement of the Norwegian language proficiency exam).
2) International Medical Graduates have to undergo a medical test conducted by the Swedish medical board/association to assess the knowledge of the medical graduate. Based on the level of knowledge you show, you are placed somewhere. So if you have a very good knowledge (and this is checked by an exam and an interview), then they will only require you to do clinical service in a hospital for a designated period of time.
3) It is MANDATORY that you have to undergo a medical competence exam, unless you have some sort of a specialist qualification, in which case, you will directly have the oppotunity to do the probationary work/clinical service. If you don't have such a qualification, then you must undergo the clinical service (a minimum of 6 months; and this depends on the board coordinators as to how long they want the graduate to be do the service) and then you can get licensed (I'm not sure if they will still ask you to take an exam afterp; In Europe, each country has it's own apprenticeship exam, so it's not uniform (although EU citizens have a benefit on this one). It's also quite competitive. I would definitely recommend that you try and if you don't get in, then you can perhaps to a fellowship or a post-graduate degree in India itself and then apply to any of the European countries (you will be better equipped in that case).
Good luck
Here's a gist to what the paragraph states:
1) The medical graduate outside of EU/EES area has to show a good command of the Swedish language (As opposed to Norway, Sweden doesn't require a graduate to take the Swedish proficiency exam (TISUS) as opposed to Norway where it clearly states the requirement of the Norwegian language proficiency exam).
2) International Medical Graduates have to undergo a medical test conducted by the Swedish medical board/association to assess the knowledge of the medical graduate. Based on the level of knowledge you show, you are placed somewhere. So if you have a very good knowledge (and this is checked by an exam and an interview), then they will only require you to do clinical service in a hospital for a designated period of time.
3) It is MANDATORY that you have to undergo a medical competence exam, unless you have some sort of a specialist qualification, in which case, you will directly have the oppotunity to do the probationary work/clinical service. If you don't have such a qualification, then you must undergo the clinical service (a minimum of 6 months; and this depends on the board coordinators as to how long they want the graduate to be do the service) and then you can get licensed (I'm not sure if they will still ask you to take an exam afterp; In Europe, each country has it's own apprenticeship exam, so it's not uniform (although EU citizens have a benefit on this one). It's also quite competitive. I would definitely recommend that you try and if you don't get in, then you can perhaps to a fellowship or a post-graduate degree in India itself and then apply to any of the European countries (you will be better equipped in that case).
Good luck
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i have the same question as mr kunal frm india had asked, but the thing that differs is that, im now in my final year, of MBBS from russia. have absolute excelent acedimics, and iam willng to undergo PG in general surgery!
And even i dont know to whom i should as this question, regarding undertaking Postgraduation, as iam a indian citizen, though i have excelent command in russian, and good in german language..!
Iam more interested in undergoing PG in english language. i know that is not easy. but iam ready too for any otherlanguage.
Please, help me to provide either some links or some orgnization to whom i can approch..!
Thanking you!
Yours failthfuly.
koustubh
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Well I would say that either Germany or Russia is your best bet. There are no postgraduate programs in Europe conducted in English so that's not an option if you want to do your postgraduate resudency/fellowship in Europe. US or Australia are the two alternatives in that case and they have their own licensing exams that you have to pass (which are quite competitive). In Europe, if you are really willing to learn another language, I would definitely recommend Sweden or Norway or Germany (as you already have some command of the language). Although do keep in mind the financial aspect (ie. salaries, benefits etc). in these countries. Norwegian countries are definitely worth it.
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I do believe English is spoken in the UK and Ireland
don't know about Ireland, but it'll be hard for kousthuba to secure a training position in the UK, seeing that he's 1) not a EU citizen 2) did not graduate from a UK school. but i hear the rules and regulations with regard to foreign grads are constantly evolving, so someone from there can fill us in.
Yes, precisely the reason why I didn't include UK into the Europe category. In fact the last time I went to London, they never considered themselves to be from Europe. Anyways getting into a residency program in the UK is insanely hard if not impossible, if you're not an EU citizen. I do have a lot of family there (mainly doctors) and they recommended me not to consider UK as the scope for IMGs is very narrow (it depends on a lot of other things like work experience in the UK; a postgraduate degree there; contacts etc...but despite all this employment still remains a major concern not just for IMGs but all for the UK residents).
Some (many?) continental European countries are like that as well (France, Belgium, Switzerland...). It would be more beneficial to list countries that are "IMG-friendly" and easier to do PG training in. I don't know any, but you seem to. Speaking for the whole continent (yes, including the British Isles) is a little presumptuous.
Well, strictly speaking, almost alll the European countries are not really IMG friendly and getting into a PG training program is very very hard, if not impossible. This is either due to the language barrier or the fact that IMG graduates get the last preference (as the hospitals in EU countries must show that they didn't have any EU graduates suitable for the position or that they still have some extra spots for candidates).
But in general, the scandinavian countries (specifically Sweden and Norway), the Netherlands (but very very hard), Belgium and France are the ideal countries for medical graduates not just in terms of financial satisfaction but also in terms of the environment, other benefits, and mental satisfaction.
But in general, the scandinavian countries (specifically Sweden and Norway), the Netherlands (but very very hard), Belgium and France are the ideal countries for medical graduates not just in terms of financial satisfaction but also in terms of the environment, other benefits, and mental satisfaction.
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language barriers aside, how difficult is it to practise in these countries?
do specialists earn more in Sweden/Norway? how much do residents and qualified specialists earn in those two countries?
Yes it is still difficult to practice in these countries aside the language barriers as international graduates are always given the last preference (unless the graduate shows some sort of an exemplary record).
The pay is quite high but it is not really comparable to the States. Residents in Northern and Western Europe do earn higher than residents in US and they also have very comfortable work schedules as the residency is usually quite long (as opposed to the US where the residence is quite short and they have an 80 hr/week limit).
In Europe, even though the financial satisfaction is not comparable to that of the States, they still get many other benefits (education, properties, taxes in some countries etc). Sweden and Norway have also ranked in the top 10 when it comes to living (in fact Norway ranked the 1st for 4 years in a row until 2004; now Ireland has taken over that ranking this year). These polls have been calculated by considering the per capita income, emploment, resident satisfaction, service the quality of life: living, cultural and racial integration, education, safety, low crime rate and other demographic factors. Regarding how much they earn, I shall get back to you on that.
The pay is quite high but it is not really comparable to the States. Residents in Northern and Western Europe do earn higher than residents in US and they also have very comfortable work schedules as the residency is usually quite long (as opposed to the US where the residence is quite short and they have an 80 hr/week limit).
In Europe, even though the financial satisfaction is not comparable to that of the States, they still get many other benefits (education, properties, taxes in some countries etc). Sweden and Norway have also ranked in the top 10 when it comes to living (in fact Norway ranked the 1st for 4 years in a row until 2004; now Ireland has taken over that ranking this year). These polls have been calculated by considering the per capita income, emploment, resident satisfaction, service the quality of life: living, cultural and racial integration, education, safety, low crime rate and other demographic factors. Regarding how much they earn, I shall get back to you on that.
Hello all,
please could you give me any information about postgraduate training system in Sweden? I am a doctor from from Czech republic, where I finished my university and intership 2 years ago..I have 2 years experience in Internal medicine (one year in UK) and I would like to continue or start training in Sweden? Are they opportunities to find a training job as a junior doctor (with some training but not specialist)?
I speak English fluently, but unfortunately I do not speak Swedish...I read that some hospitals offer language courses as well...Is it true? Should I speak Swedish fluently before I start working as a doctor?
Thanks
please could you give me any information about postgraduate training system in Sweden? I am a doctor from from Czech republic, where I finished my university and intership 2 years ago..I have 2 years experience in Internal medicine (one year in UK) and I would like to continue or start training in Sweden? Are they opportunities to find a training job as a junior doctor (with some training but not specialist)?
I speak English fluently, but unfortunately I do not speak Swedish...I read that some hospitals offer language courses as well...Is it true? Should I speak Swedish fluently before I start working as a doctor?
Thanks
You should be able to speak Swedish fluently indeed. But you're right about the part where some swedish hospitals and universities do offer courses for post-grad doctors willing to do a residency program or work in Sweden. But for the most part, you will first have to go to Sweden and take up a language course (for 10 months or so) and you can simultaneously do some research or some other medical-oriented program in English....and you will also start building up "contacts" who will be very useful when you're applying to certain hospitals.
If you don't mind me asking, where in CR did you study? Prague (Charles University??) and did you study in Czech or english?? The reason I ask is because I also study in CR (First Faculty of Medicine, Prague; English parallel) so I kinda thought it was interesting to see another former student from there (and btw many Swedish hospital like grads from Central European med schools from what I've heard; same is true for many UK hospitals)
If you don't mind me asking, where in CR did you study? Prague (Charles University??) and did you study in Czech or english?? The reason I ask is because I also study in CR (First Faculty of Medicine, Prague; English parallel) so I kinda thought it was interesting to see another former student from there (and btw many Swedish hospital like grads from Central European med schools from what I've heard; same is true for many UK hospitals)
hay guys...
I would like to introduse myself 1st. My name is Anand..I am a student medical university Russia. Actually i am a citizen of india and after my higher secondry education i came here for my medical studies in general medicine (M.B.B.S), So as i am a student of final year now,i am searching a university,hospital; for my post graduate studies,residency and good feture. So actually i am interested doing my post grduate,residency education in Master of surgery of Orthopedics and Trauma subject or in opthalmology, radiology in medium of ENGLISH instruction (ofcorse if possible) orelse in german, So i want all detail information about the residency education in germany. So i request to send me those all. As i am having few quiestions like Can i get admissinon in this university for post graduation or lets call residency, as above noticed subject? What will be the medium of instruction?( as i am starte to learn german language) What will be criteria of admission? What kind of document university, hospital needs? What are the tution fees ( is it true i heard that residency is absolutly free, though i get paid descently)? What about student life? What about dermatory and living ? Can i enroll by my self in residency corse, please will just send me some emails or related websites of hospital where they allows non EU student? How and all i have to being ready if i deside to continue the study in this university? which and all exams exact i have to give, as i directed that i have to pass the german language exam ( is that toffel DAF exam? if not then please specify me what the exam call a like?) and what about state medical exam?? please keep in mind that i am a russian medical diploma holder, but citizen of india. i am really looking forword for this...!
I am eagarly waiting for your reply so please do send me the answer. chillance2:
Thanking of you,
Anand.G Shelke
I would like to introduse myself 1st. My name is Anand..I am a student medical university Russia. Actually i am a citizen of india and after my higher secondry education i came here for my medical studies in general medicine (M.B.B.S), So as i am a student of final year now,i am searching a university,hospital; for my post graduate studies,residency and good feture. So actually i am interested doing my post grduate,residency education in Master of surgery of Orthopedics and Trauma subject or in opthalmology, radiology in medium of ENGLISH instruction (ofcorse if possible) orelse in german, So i want all detail information about the residency education in germany. So i request to send me those all. As i am having few quiestions like Can i get admissinon in this university for post graduation or lets call residency, as above noticed subject? What will be the medium of instruction?( as i am starte to learn german language) What will be criteria of admission? What kind of document university, hospital needs? What are the tution fees ( is it true i heard that residency is absolutly free, though i get paid descently)? What about student life? What about dermatory and living ? Can i enroll by my self in residency corse, please will just send me some emails or related websites of hospital where they allows non EU student? How and all i have to being ready if i deside to continue the study in this university? which and all exams exact i have to give, as i directed that i have to pass the german language exam ( is that toffel DAF exam? if not then please specify me what the exam call a like?) and what about state medical exam?? please keep in mind that i am a russian medical diploma holder, but citizen of india. i am really looking forword for this...!
I am eagarly waiting for your reply so please do send me the answer. chill
ance2:Thanking of you,
Anand.G Shelke
Hello Shreypete,
I am sorry to reply you so late for your message. First of all I would like to thank you for your information. For sure, you can ask where I studied). I did Charles University, but not 1.faculty of medicine, but 2.faculty in Motol. Also I am from Slovakia, so I had it a little bit easier and I studied in Czech language...Did you like your studies in Czech Republic? Where did you live? I lived in student residency in Kajetanka, do you know it there? There lived a lot of foreign students...
Do you still do your studies there or you have already gone back to Sweden?
Please, could you suggest me, in which part of Sweden hospitals accept doctors who do not speak swedish, but they keen to learn swedish? It is just because I already work for two years, so I do not want inrerupt my working experiences, after I think it must be quite difficult to go back to hospital after one year...
And what about this swedish language courses with reseach or medical orientated programme? Do you have any information, where can I fine some info about them?
Do you think it is difficult to entry a residency programme in Sweden?
Thank you in advance for your reply...
I am sorry to reply you so late for your message. First of all I would like to thank you for your information. For sure, you can ask where I studied
). I did Charles University, but not 1.faculty of medicine, but 2.faculty in Motol. Also I am from Slovakia, so I had it a little bit easier and I studied in Czech language...Did you like your studies in Czech Republic? Where did you live? I lived in student residency in Kajetanka, do you know it there? There lived a lot of foreign students...Do you still do your studies there or you have already gone back to Sweden?
Please, could you suggest me, in which part of Sweden hospitals accept doctors who do not speak swedish, but they keen to learn swedish? It is just because I already work for two years, so I do not want inrerupt my working experiences, after I think it must be quite difficult to go back to hospital after one year...
And what about this swedish language courses with reseach or medical orientated programme? Do you have any information, where can I fine some info about them?
Do you think it is difficult to entry a residency programme in Sweden?
Thank you in advance for your reply...
Hey there akva, I still do study at the Charles First Fac. I'm aware of Kajetanka too. I live in the center though (in an apartment), close to the First Fac.
Secondly, I'm not from Sweden. I'm from the US. Although I've had doctor relatives who worked in Sweden and moved to Norway (and they studied elsewhere too). In general, getting into a residency program in Sweden is not that hard, but it's all relative to something....relative to specialties. The surgical fields, ophtho, and derma are quite competitive and secondly you have to consider the location of your residency. It's very hard to get into hospitals in big cities (Stockholm, Umea, Gothenburh, Linkoping etc)....so you have to also keep that in mind. Regarding the Swedish language courses, you can go to any Swedish university website, and check out their language catalogs or send the language department an email (they'll get back to you asap.)
All hospitals which require you to speak Sweedish (if not when dealing with parents, then with the hospital administration). Although most Swedes do speak very good english, Swedish is still a necessity (unless you're going there for research in which case english will suffice).
Do check out the following websites:
http://www.lg.se/upload/epi/lg/pdf/2005/working_in_sweden.pdf
http://www.lakarforbundet.se/templates/Page.aspx?id=2185
http://www.lakarforbundet.se/upload/Lakarforbundet/In English/workinginsweden.pdf
http://www.goinginternational.org/deutsch/jobs/eb_05.pdf
Good luck
Secondly, I'm not from Sweden. I'm from the US. Although I've had doctor relatives who worked in Sweden and moved to Norway (and they studied elsewhere too). In general, getting into a residency program in Sweden is not that hard, but it's all relative to something....relative to specialties. The surgical fields, ophtho, and derma are quite competitive and secondly you have to consider the location of your residency. It's very hard to get into hospitals in big cities (Stockholm, Umea, Gothenburh, Linkoping etc)....so you have to also keep that in mind. Regarding the Swedish language courses, you can go to any Swedish university website, and check out their language catalogs or send the language department an email (they'll get back to you asap.)
All hospitals which require you to speak Sweedish (if not when dealing with parents, then with the hospital administration). Although most Swedes do speak very good english, Swedish is still a necessity (unless you're going there for research in which case english will suffice).
Do check out the following websites:
http://www.lg.se/upload/epi/lg/pdf/2005/working_in_sweden.pdf
http://www.lakarforbundet.se/templates/Page.aspx?id=2185
http://www.lakarforbundet.se/upload/Lakarforbundet/In English/workinginsweden.pdf
http://www.goinginternational.org/deutsch/jobs/eb_05.pdf
Good luck
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Hello everyone,
first thanky ou so much for the information shared on this forum.
I have just started a residency program in Portugal in Orthopaedic Surgery, but it's my wish to change specialty and i've always wanted to go abroad, mainly nordic countries or Germany.
My questions to you are:
1- Seeing that I've already completed a 1 year general internship (similar to the ATprogram in Sweden), if I apply for a job in Sweden would I have to apply to an AT or ST position?
2- I'm interested in Ophtalmology/ORL/Dermatology... is it difficult to get a residency position in Sweden for these specialties for an EU junior doctor?
3- Are there specific times during the year when the positions for AT/ST are opened?
4- Is the AT a salaried job?
5- I have absolutly no possibility to learn swedish in my home country and I also cannot be in a country for 10 months just to learn the language without having any income... do you know any options for me???
Sorry for the long list fo questions...
Best wishes to all
first thanky ou so much for the information shared on this forum.
I have just started a residency program in Portugal in Orthopaedic Surgery, but it's my wish to change specialty and i've always wanted to go abroad, mainly nordic countries or Germany.
My questions to you are:
1- Seeing that I've already completed a 1 year general internship (similar to the ATprogram in Sweden), if I apply for a job in Sweden would I have to apply to an AT or ST position?
2- I'm interested in Ophtalmology/ORL/Dermatology... is it difficult to get a residency position in Sweden for these specialties for an EU junior doctor?
3- Are there specific times during the year when the positions for AT/ST are opened?
4- Is the AT a salaried job?
5- I have absolutly no possibility to learn swedish in my home country and I also cannot be in a country for 10 months just to learn the language without having any income... do you know any options for me???
Sorry for the long list fo questions...
Best wishes to all
Hello everyone,i'm a medical student in Russia but A Gambian by nationality and i'll graduating in june.So i please want to know how can i do my residence in Germany.I understand that one need to have good command of german but how long is it needed take break from medicine whilst taking your language course.will be grateful for any reply.thanks
Hi everyone! I was hoping someone could help me regarding my questions about practicing medicine in Sweden.
I am an American citizen and I plan to go to medical school in Poland Fall 2010. My boyfriend is a Swedish citizen and lives in Sweden. We will get married after I finish my education in 4-5 years and then I would like to reside in Sweden with him. How would I ensure that I get into a good Swedish residency program if I go to Poznan, Poland? Obviously I have strong ties in Sweden, but their citizenship laws are so strict it will be something like 10 years of marriage before they will grant me citizenship. I also know a little bit of Swedish, learning more everyday. I just want to make sure that my medical degree will be useful in Sweden.
Any advice for me? Tack.
I am an American citizen and I plan to go to medical school in Poland Fall 2010. My boyfriend is a Swedish citizen and lives in Sweden. We will get married after I finish my education in 4-5 years and then I would like to reside in Sweden with him. How would I ensure that I get into a good Swedish residency program if I go to Poznan, Poland? Obviously I have strong ties in Sweden, but their citizenship laws are so strict it will be something like 10 years of marriage before they will grant me citizenship. I also know a little bit of Swedish, learning more everyday. I just want to make sure that my medical degree will be useful in Sweden.
Any advice for me? Tack.
RESSP -
I'm actually an American in med school in Sweden, so I may be able to help!
First of all, the citizenship rules are definitely not that strict! If you live in Sweden with your husband for 3 years, you'll be eligible. I know because I just got my citizenship a few weeks ago after living with my Swedish husband for 3 years (we weren't even married when we moved in together).
Also, since med school admissions in Sweden are so competitive (like everywhere else), a lot of students go abroad, and Poland is, I think, the most popular. I'm not sure about the specific school you're talking to, but I do know that a lot of Swedish students study in Poland. While it won't be as highly regarded as a Swedish education, you shouldn't have a problem getting a residency spot! I think it may help if you could work in Sweden in the summers. But to do that, you'd obviously have to speak Swedish.
Hope that helps, and good luck! Let me know if there's anything else I might be able to help you with.
I'm actually an American in med school in Sweden, so I may be able to help!
First of all, the citizenship rules are definitely not that strict! If you live in Sweden with your husband for 3 years, you'll be eligible. I know because I just got my citizenship a few weeks ago after living with my Swedish husband for 3 years (we weren't even married when we moved in together).
Also, since med school admissions in Sweden are so competitive (like everywhere else), a lot of students go abroad, and Poland is, I think, the most popular. I'm not sure about the specific school you're talking to, but I do know that a lot of Swedish students study in Poland. While it won't be as highly regarded as a Swedish education, you shouldn't have a problem getting a residency spot! I think it may help if you could work in Sweden in the summers. But to do that, you'd obviously have to speak Swedish.
Hope that helps, and good luck! Let me know if there's anything else I might be able to help you with.
hey everyone!!!
i see that this is a really nice forum where everyone is trying to help everyone. I hope it will help me too.
A quick introduction. Im Sybille, a graduated med student, peruvian but graduated in Romania.
I already got my license to practice medicine in Sweden, Im have a more or less intermediate knowledge of the language, don't find it impossible, but I think it would work better if I could stay there bc I learn languages by musicality (hearing learning) as it happened with english, romanian and portuguese.
Im finishing my 1st year of residency in Plastic Surgery here in romania, but Im crying out loud for a change, Im tired of this environment and so on. I dont even really care if I don;t get a post in plastics, because I know it is sooo hard everywhere. Does anybody have any idea on how should I proceed? how should I do next?
It seems to me that I might be waisting my time since Im almost there with the language and I got the license, please help!!!! cz I don;t really want to stay here and I have no clue of what to do with my life.
i see that this is a really nice forum where everyone is trying to help everyone. I hope it will help me too.
A quick introduction. Im Sybille, a graduated med student, peruvian but graduated in Romania.
I already got my license to practice medicine in Sweden, Im have a more or less intermediate knowledge of the language, don't find it impossible, but I think it would work better if I could stay there bc I learn languages by musicality (hearing learning) as it happened with english, romanian and portuguese.
Im finishing my 1st year of residency in Plastic Surgery here in romania, but Im crying out loud for a change, Im tired of this environment and so on. I dont even really care if I don;t get a post in plastics, because I know it is sooo hard everywhere. Does anybody have any idea on how should I proceed? how should I do next?
It seems to me that I might be waisting my time since Im almost there with the language and I got the license, please help!!!! cz I don;t really want to stay here and I have no clue of what to do with my life.
