Med School in CAD --> Residency in US?

[Wertt]

Hi everyone,

Just wondering how possible/common it is to complete an MD in Canada and then apply for US residency programs?

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[ssc_396]

Hi everyone,

Just wondering how possible/common it is to complete an MD in Canada and then apply for US residency programs?

Dead simple. There are tons of threads on this. Some Canadians use the US match as a backup (unless you really want to practice in the US). If you fall in the later category do us all a favor and don't steal social healthcare training dollars from a Canadian and do your MD in the US as well.

 

[Wertt]

Thanks for the reply. Actually I don't want to end up practicing in the US (yikes!). However, I am likely joining an MD/PhD programme, and for postdoc/residency there are good sites in the states with strong researchers I would like to do a post-doc with. I guess it would be a hop down to the states and then back.

 

[docbill]

Thanks for the reply. Actually I don't want to end up practicing in the US (yikes!). However, I am likely joining an MD/PhD programme, and for postdoc/residency there are good sites in the states with strong researchers I would like to do a post-doc with. I guess it would be a hop down to the states and then back.

Post-doc in the US is a must.. but just remember this is not residency. It is a post-doc-fellowship.

 

[Wertt]

Maybe you can help me clarify this...as I understand, a post-doc is essentially optional depending on how much experience and pubs you've accumulated in your grad school and/or if you want to explore a new research area. I guess that a residency which guarantees some research time could also do this no?

 

[docbill]

Maybe you can help me clarify this...as I understand, a post-doc is essentially optional depending on how much experience and pubs you've accumulated in your grad school and/or if you want to explore a new research area. I guess that a residency which guarantees some research time could also do this no?

well it depends where you want to be. For example you do an MD/PhD at UofT, and then you want to specialize in Cancer field. You start your residency in Radiology or Oncology or like specialty.. then you participate in research during your residency. Most likely, you will not have to do a Post-Doctoral Fellowship. Since you have an MD/PhD and you are a specialist.

If you do only an MD, and proceed to complete training in Surgery for example, you may take 2-3 years between your General and specialized surgery, and do either clinical or basic research. Canada has a physician-scientist funding program for people who wish to train in research. Or some programs like UofT where you can do a PhD during your residency (prolonged a bit) and than you continue with residency at full time after your phd is complete.

Please don't ask me to provide links for you.. just do google searches.
"physician scientist CIHR etc... " and Physician Stream PhD... UofT... IMS..."

BTW, I would first concentrate on getting accepted.. before being concerned about all of this. You have 7-8 years MD/PhD + 3-7 years residency and specialization before you will need to do a fellowship. That is 11-15 years down the road.

 

[BlondeCookie]

Easy. Canadian docs are very well respected in America. Most Programme Directors are very keen and quite aware of the high level of med training in Canada. You need to take and pass all steps of the USMLE. Then, you can apply for US residency.

 

[Wertt]

well it depends where you want to be. For example you do an MD/PhD at UofT, and then you want to specialize in Cancer field. You start your residency in Radiology or Oncology or like specialty.. then you participate in research during your residency. Most likely, you will not have to do a Post-Doctoral Fellowship. Since you have an MD/PhD and you are a specialist.

If you do only an MD, and proceed to complete training in Surgery for example, you may take 2-3 years between your General and specialized surgery, and do either clinical or basic research. Canada has a physician-scientist funding program for people who wish to train in research. Or some programs like UofT where you can do a PhD during your residency (prolonged a bit) and than you continue with residency at full time after your phd is complete.

Please don't ask me to provide links for you.. just do google searches.
"physician scientist CIHR etc... " and Physician Stream PhD... UofT... IMS..."

BTW, I would first concentrate on getting accepted.. before being concerned about all of this. You have 7-8 years MD/PhD + 3-7 years residency and specialization before you will need to do a fellowship. That is 11-15 years down the road.

Thanks for your help. I know a lot about the actual MD/PhD programmes, am just debating whether to accept a spot at a Canadian or US school at the moment - the consensus from various sources seems that I won't be limiting research/residency options down the road to stay in Canada.

 

[docbill]

Thanks for your help. I know a lot about the actual MD/PhD programmes, am just debating whether to accept a spot at a Canadian or US school at the moment - the consensus from various sources seems that I won't be limiting research/residency options down the road to stay in Canada.

There are NO disadvantages of doing MD/PhD in Canada. Actually there are advantages. You get cheaper education, less debt, and you get to live in your own country.. but as a lot of us are starting to say... sorry I mean scream don't study in Canada if you plan to waste our money and move to the US afterwards. Just save us the hassel and give someone else your seat.

Just my opinion.

 

[cheer_up]

There are NO disadvantages of doing MD/PhD in Canada. Actually there are advantages. You get cheaper education, less debt, and you get to live in your own country.. but as a lot of us are starting to say... sorry I mean scream don't study in Canada if you plan to waste our money and move to the US afterwards. Just save us the hassel and give someone else your seat.

Just my opinion.

Agree with ya!!

 

[Wertt]

There are NO disadvantages of doing MD/PhD in Canada. Actually there are advantages. You get cheaper education, less debt, and you get to live in your own country.. but as a lot of us are starting to say... sorry I mean scream don't study in Canada if you plan to waste our money and move to the US afterwards. Just save us the hassel and give someone else your seat.

Just my opinion.

Actually, US MD/PhDs result in less debt. Canadian programs have stipends that are less than US programs (21k CAN vs. 25k US) and do not offer tuition waivers unlike MSTPs in the US.
Much as I would like to think I am altruistic enough to forego good research opportunities to ensure a fellow Canadian gets a seat, I will go where is best for my career.