M.B.B.S/Ph.D. in Aus.

[thisisapickle]

Hello all.


Does anyone know if there are any M.B.B.S. /Ph.D. programs that are available to international students. If so are these programs similar to MSTP or MD/Ph.D. in the states ( i.e. time wise or stipend during studies).

Thanks for your help.

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[Dr.Millisevert]

Hello all.


Does anyone know if there are any M.B.B.S. /Ph.D. programs that are available to international students. If so are these programs similar to MSTP or MD/Ph.D. in the states ( i.e. time wise or stipend during studies).

Thanks for your help.

Yes there are plenty MBBS/PhD programs in Australia.

However, from what I understand.. unless you're a citizen or have PR (perm residency status) you won't be eligible for the stipend/benefits.

If you can obtain PR status and then apply to one of these programs you will be better off. The benefits and stipends for locals is on average much better than what you can get in the states. If you can get a HECS place in med school and apply for "oz study" assistance. You will be able to complete both your med degree and PhD and get paid to do it.

Good luck!

 

[Dr.Millisevert]

Flinders Combined Med degree + PhD

Queensland Combined Med degree + PhD

 

[neulite]

Flinders Combined Med degree + PhD

Queensland Combined Med degree + PhD

The Queensland program has been discontinued.

 

[Dr.Millisevert]

The Queensland program has been discontinued.

That may be so.. I'm not sure, I just found that link online. Just trying to provide some examples.

Also, just because it isn't advertised on their website doesn't mean that they won't consider doing a conjoint Med/PhD program for an interested and quality applicant. So, if you're interested.. try emailing the medical schools you're interested in and simply ask them if combining a med degree and a PhD would be a possiblity. Good luck!

 

[neulite]

That may be so.. I'm not sure, I just found that link online. Just trying to provide some examples.

Also, just because it isn't advertised on their website doesn't mean that they won't consider doing a conjoint Med/PhD program for an interested and quality applicant. So, if you're interested.. try emailing the medical schools you're interested in and simply ask them if combining a med degree and a PhD would be a possiblity. Good luck!

I too was interested in the program but when I inquired about further details they said they were no longer accepting applications and it was being discontinued. This is what someone from UQ told me. The med program is still open to internationals though.

 

[Dr.Millisevert]

I too was interested in the program but when I inquired about further details they said they were no longer accepting applications and it was being discontinued. This is what someone from UQ told me. The med program is still open to internationals though.

If you're truly interested... you might want to contact some other universities before you give up.

Try emailing and asking:

Melbourne, Flinders, Western Australia, Sydney, Tassie, Australian National University, Monash, Newcastle, Notre Dame, University of Wollongong, Bond University, Griffith University, and Western Sydney University.

 

[neulite]

If you're truly interested... you might want to contact some other universities before you give up.

Try emailing and asking:

Melbourne, Flinders, Western Australia, Sydney, Tassie, Australian National University, Monash, Newcastle, Notre Dame, University of Wollongong, Bond University, Griffith University, and Western Sydney University.

I was interested at one time but not anymore. I was just trying to update this post on what's available to international students.

Prospective international students NEED to review the GAMSAT handbook before applying or such. This handbook lists in detail the admission requirements for each school. For example, of the above listed schools, about only a handful are accepting international students. Not all AUS universities have slots open for us. And if they do it may not be many. Queensland and Sydeney have the most. PLEASE READ THE HANDBOOK, it has so much info for internationals in it. Also, the new one will be coming out in May so look out for that.

 

[Dr.Millisevert]

I was interested at one time but not anymore. I was just trying to update this post on what's available to international students.

Prospective international students NEED to review the GAMSAT handbook before applying or such. This handbook lists in detail the admission requirements for each school. For example, of the above listed schools, about only a handful are accepting international students. Not all AUS universities have slots open for us. And if they do it may not be many. Queensland and Sydeney have the most. PLEASE READ THE HANDBOOK, it has so much info for internationals in it. Also, the new one will be coming out in May so look out for that.

Cool.. good luck to you in your future endeavors. Just curious, but why are you no longer interested?

For others who may be interested, I know for a fact that the following schools do accept internationals:
Queensland, Bond, Sydney, Flinders, Melbourne, Western Australia, Tassie, Australian National University, and Monash.

Notre Dame, Deakin, and Western Sydney University (Not 100% sure, but still worth looking into)

 

[neulite]

Cool.. good luck to you in your future endeavors. Just curious, but why are you no longer interested?

For others who may be interested, I know for a fact that the following schools do accept internationals:
Queensland, Bond, Sydney, Flinders, Melbourne, Western Australia, Tassie, Australian National University, and Monash.

Notre Dame, Deakin, and Western Sydney University (Not 100% sure, but still worth looking into)

I am finishing up my PhD here in the US. I was thinking of doing another research doctorate while completing my med degree overseas but that seemed a little too much. I would need to focus completely on my med degree.

 

[lyndal]

and Wollongong for MBBS~! We are looking for North American candidates now.....but we don't offer MBBS/PhD (sorry I edited this because I didnt make it clear in the original post).

 

[suren]

Does Any one know M.B.B.S + Ph.D in opportunities in other countries (except Australia).
I am doing a BioMed Master now, and really feel like doing a M.B.B.S + Ph.D ..

Thanks,
Suren

 

[JTan]

i personlly think study in philippines is a good option for international students for the MBBS if price is a factor, especially if you speak english...what do you all think? is there better places?

 

[theunraveler]

juz wondering can PR get HECS help? and which uni in australia offers MBBS+PhD?

 

[Dr.Millisevert]

juz wondering can PR get HECS help? and which uni in australia offers MBBS+PhD?

Australia
ANU Med School definitely has a combined Med/PhD program
Adelaide (can possibly combine a PhD)
Deakin Med School definitely has a combined Med/PhD program
Flinders definitly has a joint MBBS/PhD program
Monash (can possibly combine a PhD)
Melbourne (can possibly combine a PhD)
UNSW (can possibly combine a PhD)
Sydney University Med School has the option to combine a PhD degree
Queensland University Medical school has the option for a combined PhD
Western Australia definitely has a combined Med/PhD program
Tasmania may have the option for a combined PhD

If you hold PR status or citizenship, you will definitely have subsidized med school tuition. HECS however does not subsidize PhD programs. You will however (if you are PR/citizen) receive full funding from the Australian government under their research funding schemes (which is separate from HECS).

Does Any one know M.B.B.S + Ph.D in opportunities in other countries (except Australia).

Well... You would want to (if doing a PhD) to choose a place that will usually allow you to obtain good research funding and have access to nice facilities.

Other than Australia... I would try New Zealand.

Outside Aus/NZ I would then try options in Singapore possibly or Hong Kong.

Those are probably you're best options in Oceania/Australasia for decent combined Med/PhD programs. Pretty much anywhere outside of these places I would worry about the quality of your resources. (something to think about)

New Zealand (FYI: The medical degrees in NZ are also accredited in Australia ...and visa versa)
Auckland University Med program (can combine PhD)
Otago University Med program (can combine PhD)

Singapore
NUS: MBBS/PhD program
Johns Hopkins (Singapore Campus): PhD program
Duke-NUS joint MD/PhD program

Hong Kong
Hong Kong University Med program (...might be able to combine a PhD)

If you really wanted to look somewhere else other than this region.. you could try elsewhere in asia (Japan, Taiwan, South Korea, China) or you could try Europe (UK, Ireland, Germany, Switzerland, etc, etc)

 

[theunraveler]

how does MBBS-PHD work? i mean, do u need gamsat? once u graduate from it can u practice first as a clinician?

 

[Dr.Millisevert]

how does MBBS-PHD work? i mean, do u need gamsat? once u graduate from it can u practice first as a clinician?

Well.. you are entering into the med program so of course you would still need to sit the same entrance exams as everyone else (depending on the school.. this could be either the GAMSAT, UMAT, etc.)

I'm not personally in a PhD combined program so I can't offer you much more advice. If you are really interested, just email one of the schools I've listed who definitely have an advertised Med/PhD program (UWA, Flinders, Deakin, etc) and ask them. Good luck.

 

[neulite]

I am about to begin the combined MBBS/PhD program at UQ. You need the GAMSAT/MCAT for MBBS entry. There didn't seem to be any entrance exams required for the PhD portion. You need to contact a potential research supervisor at the school and fill out two applications: one for UQ and one for the school of medicine. You would need a somewhat impressive CV that relates a little to what you are interested in. Kind of subjective I guess. But what grad program isn't?

 

[shan564]

Did they give you any scholarships or do you have to pay for the whole thing out of pocket?

 

[neulite]

Good question. The cost for international students is staggering and added to the cost for the MBBS it's going to be a lot. I applied for the IPRS/UQILAS scholarships which would cover tuition for the PhD. I have yet to hear back about that. I figure the money doesn't matter as long as you're passionate about what you do. I will pay it off eventually.

 

[stixzz]

Australia
ANU Med School definitely has a combined Med/PhD program
Adelaide (can possibly combine a PhD)
Deakin Med School definitely has a combined Med/PhD program
Flinders definitly has a joint MBBS/PhD program
Monash (can possibly combine a PhD)
Melbourne (can possibly combine a PhD)
UNSW (can possibly combine a PhD)
Sydney University Med School has the option to combine a PhD degree
Queensland University Medical school has the option for a combined PhD
Western Australia definitely has a combined Med/PhD program
Tasmania may have the option for a combined PhD

If you hold PR status or citizenship, you will definitely have subsidized med school tuition. HECS however does not subsidize PhD programs. You will however (if you are PR/citizen) receive full funding from the Australian government under their research funding schemes (which is separate from HECS).




Well... You would want to (if doing a PhD) to choose a place that will usually allow you to obtain good research funding and have access to nice facilities.

Other than Australia... I would try New Zealand.

Outside Aus/NZ I would then try options in Singapore possibly or Hong Kong.

Those are probably you're best options in Oceania/Australasia for decent combined Med/PhD programs. Pretty much anywhere outside of these places I would worry about the quality of your resources. (something to think about)

New Zealand (FYI: The medical degrees in NZ are also accredited in Australia ...and visa versa)
Auckland University Med program (can combine PhD)
Otago University Med program (can combine PhD)

Singapore
NUS: MBBS/PhD program
Johns Hopkins (Singapore Campus): PhD program
Duke-NUS joint MD/PhD program

Hong Kong
Hong Kong University Med program (...might be able to combine a PhD)

If you really wanted to look somewhere else other than this region.. you could try elsewhere in asia (Japan, Taiwan, South Korea, China) or you could try Europe (UK, Ireland, Germany, Switzerland, etc, etc)

I have been told by Usyd admissions that, while the formal MBBS/PHD program has been discontinued, there is still the option to fit in a 2 year Phd research schedule between year 2 and 3 of med school.

 

[theunraveler]

I am about to begin the combined MBBS/PhD program at UQ. You need the GAMSAT/MCAT for MBBS entry. There didn't seem to be any entrance exams required for the PhD portion. You need to contact a potential research supervisor at the school and fill out two applications: one for UQ and one for the school of medicine. You would need a somewhat impressive CV that relates a little to what you are interested in. Kind of subjective I guess. But what grad program isn't?

Mind sharing what you did to make your CV impressive? What did you do?

 

[jaketheory]

To be clear, there is no HECS for research degrees. It is covered by the research scheme for which Aus citizens and PR do not contribute any fees. They do not automatically give you a stipend as such mentioned above. There is no tuition fees but you still have to eat. To cover this you'd normally be awarded a postgraduate scholarship. Many Aus universities admit international research candidates contigent they receive a scholarship. However, internationals have to pay tuition (a pretty fat one too), and thus the scholarship may not, or most likely will not, cover both tuition and living expenses.

HECS-HELP is a student loan program through the Aus government. It is only available for courses with a HECS. As such, there is no HECS-HELP for research degrees. Again, HECS-HELP is for Aus citizens and PR's.

If you become a PR, you cannot access HECS-HELP until years after you settle in Aus. Same goes for Aus Study and any other form of welfare.

It is very uncommon to pursue a combined med degree and Phd in Aus. if this were one's goal, more likely go to an undergrad med school, do an internship, then a phd before doing specialty training. it comes out shorter than grad medicine and phd togethor plus the internship will allow you to gather your interests so your phd is highly relevant to your intended speciality (and thus aids in your acceptance in a training program in that specialty).

undergrad med + internship+phd = 5+1+3= 9 years.

vs

undergrad degree + grad med + phd + internship =

3 (or 4) + 6 (or 7) + 1 = 10 or 11 years.

you'll find the large majority of MBBS/PhD's in Aus did undergrad med. Of course, grad med wasnt even around when many of them did it anyway.

 

[jaketheory]

so neulite, you are doing the 2nd doctorate at UQ after getting one in the US? just curious, but why? and how's it going? please share your experience so far.

so UQ still offers the combined degree program? its still up on their website.

 

[redshifteffect]

Another popular way of getting a PhD is during your specialist training. I've noticed many colleges are supportive of you pursuing research and will actually give you time off to get a PhD. This can be done full time or part time.

You can always supplement your income with private work or some contract work in your field. The main thing you'd need to be able to do this is an internship which would give you general registration.