Louisville Dental (student's perspective)

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Hey everyone,

Just to introduce myself, I'm a dental student getting towards then end of my education at Louisville (ULSD). I just wanted to give an honest perspective of the school: things I like, things that are frustrating, etc. Here goes.

Overview of the program:
-First year: Heavy didactics (Microbiology, Gross Anatomy, Head and Neck Anatomy, Biochemistry, Histology, Physiology) and a decent amount of lab work (Simulation drilling/filling). A bunch of other courses too, but these are the main ones. It's a tough year.

-Second year: Heavy didactics (General Pathology, Pharmacology) and heavy lab work (Crown and Bridge, Dentures, Removable.) And a bunch of other classes too. Considerable tougher than the 1st year.

-Third year: Clinic every day (Spend one week in general dentistry clinic, the next week in a specialty clinic, then your back in general, then specialty...etc.) Heavy didactics (yes, still...more General Pathology, Clinical Pharmacology, and Oral Pathology (the hardest class at ULSD) as well as one really heavy lab course. I think this is the most difficult year of all.

-Fourth year: Clinic every day (same setup as third year). Few classes, no lab courses. One month externship basically wherever/whatever you want to do in dentistry (general, OS, perio, etc.). An easier year, but it can be stressful making sure you're done with all of your requirements.


Positives:
-Very heavy didactics (Especially pathology!!). So you will know your stuff inside and out by the time you graduate.
-We kill NBDE I and II here...(seems pretty rare to not pass the first time)
-Get to work with specialists every other week (we have all the specialties).
-Labs are open all the time, so you can work on projects as longs as you need to.
-Simulation teeth are free! (well, you pay a big lab bill at the beginning of the year, but you can use as many of them as you want to practice drilling on.) I know some other schools make you pay for every plastic tooth (and I literally have gone through several thousand simulation teeth).
-Clinic faculty is generally very good (there are always a few that you avoid, but I like the great majority).
-Large list of clinical requirements (should be pretty competent/confident when you're done).
----Operative (drill and fill), Crown and Bridge, Oral medicine, Perio (SRPs), Endo, CD, RPD, Oral surgery, all have requirements (A TON of general practitioner experience, so this is a really great school if you want to be a GP).
-School assigns you patients (you don't have to go out and find them on the streets, like you do at some other schools!)
-Awesome facilities!!
-ULSD has quite the reputation out in the real world (I didn't know this before I went there). Whether you're going into specialty, military, GPR, AEGD, etc., people will be like, "Oh, you went to Louisville? That's a really great school!" Guarantee it.
-A lot of ULSD students who apply for specialty get to go where they want.
-The students here are really cool. No gunners that I know of (there are people who want to specialize, but they will still help others out).

Negatives:
-Very heavy didactics (especially pathology). Sometimes I think we spend so much time worrying about the next pathology (or other didactic) test that we spend less time on dental classes. It's too much. We're not training to be pathologists here, but the pathology faculty doesn't seem to get that. And pathology sort of ruins everybody's GPAs (hardly anyone gets an A...lots of C's). I would be willing to bet that this is the most pathology-heavy program in the country.
-Some of the didactic faculty members are fairly unapproachable, so I never even think about asking them questions. But the dental faculty members are OUTSTANDING!, so that sort of makes up for it.
-The school increased enrollment from 80 to 120 a few years back...while I personally haven't had a problem with patient flow, I know some of my classmates sometimes have an empty chair because they "don't have enough patients". Patient flow is definitely tighter than it used to be. Basically, you have to be very proactive and talk to staff members to find the patients that you need. You're in charge of getting the requirements done on time, so you just need to remember that from the get-go. It's up to you to get done on time, no one is going to hand you anything.
-There are problems with administration here, and we've lost/are losing a few really good dental faculty members because of it. The administrative faculty doesn't seem to care about anything except for themselves...I don't know many of the details, but some student's and it seems like a lot of the faculty are really fed up with the administration. Apparently administration "knows best" and any suggestions for them usually fall on deaf ears. BUT, this hasn't affected me much, and unless you are into school politics, it likely won't affect you. I just keep my head down and work hard, even if things that administration has done don't logically make sense.

Overall:
-So there are a ton of things I appreciate about ULSD, and only two things that annoy me (pathology and administration)...I can deal with that.
-I just want to give you an idea of how highly I value this school: I was accepted at 10 schools (my state school, other state schools, some Ivies). I would without a doubt choose Louisville again. You get such a great education here, and the clinical education is top-notch. It's everything I need to be a successful dentist in the real world.

If you've been accepted, congrats! If you are on the waiting list, I hope you get in here! If you have any questions, please feel free to ask. Best of luck to you all!

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Nice summary. Wish more students would post stuff like this, it's really insightful. Also wish UL would offer me an interview! :boom:
 
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I love this. Thank you for taking time to do this. I have some more questions for you!

1. What are the clinical requirements in order for you to graduate?

Number of:
-RCTs
-crowns
-extractions
-fillings

2. Do you use 3D technology, how familiar are you with it?

3. Do you use implants? What exposure do you have from start to beginning?

4. How confident do you feel graduating from Louisville going straight into a practice?
 
I love this. Thank you for taking time to do this. I have some more questions for you!

1. What are the clinical requirements in order for you to graduate?

Number of:
-RCTs 5 minimum required
-crowns 12 minimum required
-extractions 2 "competency" tests (one each year)...you'll take out a bunch of teeth, and then when you feel ready, you extract a tooth and an oral surgeon grades you.
-fillings This one is a little complicated...there are 6 different classes (types) of fillings. You have to do most of the types in both composite and alloy, and then you are elligible to take several graded tests ("competencies"), but I'd say you end up doing around 100.

There are a ton of other minimum requirements too, hard to describe them until you're in school though (SRPs (a TON of these!), Perio exams, ODOM, Emergency, Ortho, 2 CD/CD, 2 RPD, I'm sure I'm forgetting others). In most cases, you end up doing more than what is required.


2. Do you use 3D technology, how familiar are you with it?
We are familiar (tested on it from lectures), but we have minimal clinical exposure to 3D technology. If you work with the Prosthedontic residents, you might be able to get more experience, but we generally don't have time for that. This is a good an a bad thing...it's nice to have the newest technology, but it's also good to know the traditional methods since technology is so expensive (you might not be able to afford the technology right away). You can easily take a CE course when you're done with school and incorporate the technology into your office setting as you see fit.

3. Do you use implants? What exposure do you have from start to beginning?
We learn all about implants, but we do not actually place the implant in the bone. We do add the abutment/crown to the implant after it has been placed.

4. How confident do you feel graduating from Louisville going straight into a practice?
I think I will be as ready as any dental school allows you to be. I will have done everything that a competent GP can do, and anything else I want to add to my skill set can be achieved through CE courses (Invisalign, Implants, CAD/CAM, etc.)
 
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What do you think about breast implants in dental school? Asking for a friend.
 
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What made you choose Louisville over all of the other schools that you got into? Did UL give you the biggest scholarship?
 
What do you think about breast implants in dental school? Asking for a friend.

Not the type of question I was expecting, but here are some things to keep in mind:
-that can be a hard surgery to recover from (lifting your arms, which is a huge part of dentistry).
-dentists have a lot of neck/back problems, and I imagine additional weight on the chest would only increase the likelihood of spinal problems.
-you will wear scrubs most of the time, and then a gown on top of that while in clinic, so no one would even notice.
-a lot of women have difficulty being "taken seriously" by patients as it is. I can't even tell you how many time I've had classmates who are women get asked "so are you gonna be a nurse?" or "how do you like being a dental assistant?" as they were filling a tooth...if it's obvious you've had implants, I would bet that you'd have additional problems with credibility. I know that's not fair, but I'm just being honest.
 
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What made you choose Louisville over all of the other schools that you got into? Did UL give you the biggest scholarship?

I was very fortunate because I got a full ride scholarship to dental school (not through U of L, through another organization), so I was able to pick whatever institution I wanted. After all of my interviews, I just felt the most comfortable with ULSD's environment and thought it would be the best place for me to continue my education. I have plenty of classmates who picked ULSD (which was more expensive) over their state school because, as I said earlier in this thread, ULSD has a really good clinical reputation, and that could maybe matter when it comes down to specializing.
 
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What was the other organization you got your scholarship through?
 

Thank you for all this information. I really appreciate it. I am torn between Louisville and another dental school. For me, the deciding factor will be clinical experience. I want/need as much exposure as possible.

I have some more questions for you.




1. How is the clinical reputation of Louisville compared to other schools? (i.e. When you attend conferences, are other faculty members/dental students ecstatic that you attend Louisville?)

2. What is the culture amongst the students like? (collaborative/competitive)

3. How do faculty treat students? (respected dental students or students) Can you go to them if you have any problems? (i.e. is there a barrier between students and faculty?)

4. Going through dental school, knowing the information you know now, what advice would you give your former self beginning dental school?


Thanks again for answering all my questions. I really appreciate it.
 
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Louisville fan boy reporting in. Go Cards!!
 
I was accepted to U of L! How difficult was it to get adjusted to the coursework structure and the area? Also, thanks for this post--really good insight.
 
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Thank you for all this information. I really appreciate it. I am torn between Louisville and another dental school. For me, the deciding factor will be clinical experience. I want/need as much exposure as possible.

I have some more questions for you.




1. How is the clinical reputation of Louisville compared to other schools? (i.e. When you attend conferences, are other faculty members/dental students ecstatic that you attend Louisville?)

2. What is the culture amongst the students like? (collaborative/competitive)

3. How do faculty treat students? (respected dental students or students) Can you go to them if you have any problems? (i.e. is there a barrier between students and faculty?)

4. Going through dental school, knowing the information you know now, what advice would you give your former self beginning dental school?


Thanks again for answering all my questions. I really appreciate it.

Sorry for my delayed reply...I've been traveling and have my SDN account (forgot my password...embarrassing) on another computer. So I just created a new one for the time being.

1.) Louisville's clinical reputation is very good. From talking to other students, we have more requirements than a lot of others. I know Creighton is another good clinical school. So is UAB. So is Iowa.

2.) ULSD culture is very collaborative. There are virtually no gunners (I think of gunners as people who refuse to help classmates). We don't really have that problem. I've got a very chill class. Some people really want to specialize, but they still help others out.

3.) the dental school faculty (who teach the dental classes) are very good/very approachable. But the didactic classes (anatomy, histo, etc. especially pathology) are not as approachable. You can go to dental faculty about pretty much anything you are having trouble with.

4.) what I would tell myself...know that everyone in your class is very smart. It's kind of a shock going from the smartest person in the school to just average. If you want to specialize, it is much easier said than done, because you're "competing" against the brightest and best. DO NOT start studying before dental school, because that will not help you at all, and you'll just burn out more quickly. Just try to relax and enjoy before you start because it is going to be 4 crazy years.
 
I was accepted to U of L! How difficult was it to get adjusted to the coursework structure and the area? Also, thanks for this post--really good insight.

Congrats!! I did not have too difficult of a time adjusting to dental school. I always took 20-25 credits in undergrad, so I thought the coarse load was fairly similar. It still will occupy the majority of your time though.

Louisville is a pretty cool city, although there are dangerous parts. The school is not in a great location from a safety standpoint, but when your working the "campus bubble", you're usually good. Honestly, you'll be working a lot the first year, and may not have much time to go out.
 
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