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Interns, did you get paid for orientation?
Yes, for the full two weeks.sepsis said:Interns, did you get paid for orientation?
DrMom said:no pay for 5-day orientation.
btw: this isn't an uncommon practice in many different fields.
chicamedica said:I dont know what those interns who had to move long distance to get here are expected to live on for this month!
sepsis said:I'd love to know which. I have worked in many different areas from corporate america to academic research and I was paid my full salary during orientation for each.
For those of you who did NOT get paid, did your program inform you of this either in interview materials or at the actual interview or in your contract after the match?
KentW said:Didn't everyone just spend the last four years living with no income? What's another week or so?
Faebinder said:I maxed on on all loans.
happydoc said:...At least we get some type of check...
sepsis said:Why do we have to accept what's handed to us simply because that's what's been done before?
KentW said:Usually, you sign a contract.
sepsis said:Contracts don't define what's right or best though, only what is... not what could or should be.
KentW said:Then don't sign it.
Seriously, some of you just need to chill. Enjoy orientation, paid or not. I guarantee you that you will have bigger things to worry about very shortly.
KentW said:Didn't everyone just spend the last four years living with no income? What's another week or so?
Hova2005 said:Nope. AND we didn't get our first paychecks until the end of the first month! They warned us about that part beforehand, though.
DrMom said:I wasn't paid for orientation for any of my teaching jobs or summer temping jobs when I was a teacher (medical clerical work) and my husband ran into the same thing in the business world.
I was notified in advance by my residency program after the match, although I'd already learned this info from other residents.
spalatin said:Was an exec before...new hires had a week of orientation, required by regulatory agencies and paid for out of the personnel department budget which then billed my profit center for "recruiting costs" with a mark up.
Couldn't not pay 'em since the law says if you required it you better pay the wages promised. I can't imagine any industry hiring BS/BA or MS prepared people or even Burger King for that matter not paying for your time. Sounds like a labor board issue. Wonder how they got away with it?
Was paid for orientation.
spalatin said:Was an exec before...new hires had a week of orientation, required by regulatory agencies and paid for out of the personnel department budget which then billed my profit center for "recruiting costs" with a mark up.
Couldn't not pay 'em since the law says if you required it you better pay the wages promised. I can't imagine any industry hiring BS/BA or MS prepared people or even Burger King for that matter not paying for your time. Sounds like a labor board issue. Wonder how they got away with it?
Was paid for orientation.
KentW said:Then don't sign it.
Seriously, some of you just need to chill. Enjoy orientation, paid or not. I guarantee you that you will have bigger things to worry about very shortly.
sepsis said:You may think we are a bunch of sniveling whiners, but your remedy is ridicules.[sic]
Kimberli Cox said:They "get away" with it, and many other things, by classifying residents as students, not real employees. This is the reason we can't strike, can't form unions to raise our salary or decrease our work hours, etc. Our salary is not salary but a "stipend".
chicamedica said:In that case, the "stipend" should not be taxed like a salary.
Kimberli Cox said:They "get away" with it, and many other things, by classifying residents as students, not real employees. This is the reason we can't strike, can't form unions to raise our salary or decrease our work hours, etc. Our salary is not salary but a "stipend".
yaah said:You can form a union
sepsis said:link from kentw:
"...the National Labor Relations Board (NLRB) ruled that residents are employees, not students."
***Kent you ROCK!!!***
Kimberli Cox said:Thanks for the clarification.
While residents may have unions these are not comparable to unions with any sort of power - if they were the salaries would be higher, the time off would be better, we'd be paid overtime, etc.
My benefits have always been good, only complaint being that my last day of coverage for residency was June 30 and my first day of fellowship coverage is September 1. I am expected to pay the COBRA fees of $340/month for coverage.
Hopefully I don't get sick in the next few weeks..
exlawgrrl said:The cool thing about Cobra is that you have 60 days to sign up, and you get retroactive coverage back to the first day after your employment ended provided that you pay full premiums. So, if you get sick on August 1, sign up for coverage on August 2 and pay premiums going back to July 1, you're covered. We're uninsured and riding the Cobra thing until school starts. The only hitch is if you wind up in a coma or something, and your representative doesn't know about signing up.
KentW said:You put a smilie in there, so I know you're joking...but, seriously, income is income. If you don't like paying taxes, take a job with the Federal government. Hellooooooooo V.A.!
On a related note, I see a lot of people toss the word "salary" around on SDN as if all physicians are paid a guaranteed fixed wage (I'm talking about after residency). In reality, most of us work under some sort of production scheme. The more we work/bill/collect, the more money we make. Salaries are for wimps.
Kimberli Cox said:Sure...but it isn't cool that its so expensive I can't afford the monthly premium!