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@smurfeyD can you clarify what high expectations from podiatry could be?
income, parity, respect as M.D., job opportnity in every square mile, 100% ortho group, top surgeries all the time and so on@smurfeyD can you clarify what high expectations from podiatry could be?
My understanding is its a great profession if you accept it for what it is and not what it could be. Those expectations could be to high. Dont marry a girl thats a 4 and say itll be ok because eventually the acne will clear up and she will lose 50 lbs haha marry her knowing she may always stay a 4 and youre okay with that possibility
Podiatry is only a 4/10 on the attractiveness scale? Dang. I was gonna be generous and give it at least a 6.
I mean, Podiatry isn’t the hottest profession, but it brings home a good income and you get to feel good about the work you do. Sure, there may be some 9/10 MD surgeons or 7/10 DO internal medicine professions who look down at your profession, but your profession isn’t ugly. The profession doesn’t have a debt problem like dental school, that profession sold out its students. Podiatry always has reliable work. Podiatry might have had a residency problem in the past, but now it’s past that and promised to do better. Podiatry will never cheat on you with nurse practitioner and sell you out.
Sure, some people pass her up, but to you Podiatry is a diamond in the ruff.
is that what I think it is?
is that what I think it is?
Wow. They going to amputate that, right?
I checked it out, looks like I have seen that before. Is it approved treatment/procedure in US?Maggots...are used as a form of treatment for diabetic foot ulcers. So, in that pic, those maggots are helping the wound heal.
You can youtube it for a video showing them at work. Cool Stuff!
Oh I dont think its a 4/10. I was just using an example. I was just trying to say what I gather from Air Buds post is that if I’m going to be a podiatrist then I need to make sure I understand all that that entails; good and bad and to not pursue it with the thought of “it’ll be so much better once I graduate,” or ignoring the cons that do come with the profession, like Pasha said. I agree though, I think its an awesome profession!Podiatry is only a 4/10 on the attractiveness scale? Dang. I was gonna be generous and give it at least a 6.
I mean, Podiatry isn’t the hottest profession, but it brings home a good income and you get to feel good about the work you do. Sure, there may be some 9/10 MD surgeons or 7/10 DO internal medicine professions who look down at your profession, but your profession isn’t ugly. The profession doesn’t have a debt problem like dental school, that profession sold out its students. Podiatry always has reliable work. Podiatry might have had a residency problem in the past, but now it’s past that and promised to do better. Podiatry will never cheat on you with nurse practitioner and sell you out.
Sure, some people pass her up, but to you Podiatry is a diamond in the ruff.
I have no doubt that MDs get preferential treatment. That’s something a lot of these new graduating DO students will find out quickly come residency time. The world will always favor the US MD grads, and I don’t think anyone is arguing that point.
But my question lies with the people that you claimed to be concerned with practicing Podiatric Medicine who graduated with you and fundamental competence with DO=Pod education. Wouldn’t these people be filtered out of first year classes? The curriculum is the same as DO students. How many times were they allowed to fail?
And AZPOD is the exact same +\- 3 classes the first 2 years. What is nice about podiatry school is no shelf exams 3rd and 4th year.
what you mean?For a person who’s still in a post bac program, you like to pretend to know a lot about things that you have no idea about. Hm...
what you mean?
I thought he is in DO school already.
Actually no one here has a problem with Gypsy. Your mind isnt all of a sudden enlightened once you get accepted somewhereHe’s not. He’s a pretender. He still hasn’t joined the official rank of being an accepted student at a DO or Pod program. Though, he does like to talk smack and pretend to be speaking from a higher plane though...
What does he mean by sold its students out?Podiatry is only a 4/10 on the attractiveness scale? Dang. I was gonna be generous and give it at least a 6.
I mean, Podiatry isn’t the hottest profession, but it brings home a good income and you get to feel good about the work you do. Sure, there may be some 9/10 MD surgeons or 7/10 DO internal medicine professions who look down at your profession, but your profession isn’t ugly. The profession doesn’t have a debt problem like dental school, that profession sold out its students. Podiatry always has reliable work. Podiatry might have had a residency problem in the past, but now it’s past that and promised to do better. Podiatry will never cheat on you with nurse practitioner and sell you out.
Sure, some people pass her up, but to you Podiatry is a diamond in the ruff.
What does he mean by sold its students out?
He’s not. He’s a pretender. He still hasn’t joined the official rank of being an accepted student at a DO or Pod program. Though, he does like to talk smack and pretend to be speaking from a higher plane though...
Maggots...are used as a form of treatment for diabetic foot ulcers. So, in that pic, those maggots are helping the wound heal.
You can youtube it for a video showing them at work. Cool Stuff!
Yeah. I had to look away for a sec and then come back to it. Hopefully I can build an apetitie for these things with time and more exposure.i'm itchy. all over my body.
The female pod students around here at around 7/10 to 8.5/10. I love pod chicas.
Who knows. There are so many health professions that are more known about that keep opening up new schools. So who knows if itll ever get that much more competitiveDoes anyone think podiatry will be harder to get into in the future years? I remember D.O was pretty ok to get into, but now its much harder. Will podiatry one day become just as hard to get into? Due to more people knowing about the profession.
I checked it out, looks like I have seen that before. Is it approved treatment/procedure in US?
How frequently do you see stuff like this, or close to it, in pod school? I know you're only in your first semeter. But can you take a shot at the q?
There's a poster on another board, unrelated to medicine, who WAS a podiatrist. She gave it up even before she got her loans paid off because of the futility of her practice; had she known that podiatry, at least in her region, consisted almost entirely of dealing with chronically noncompliant diabetics, she would have done something else.
In that case, does Midwestern have the most demand because it is the hardest pod school to get into?no, schools don't set standards but principle of supply and demand sets it.
Not demand, but supply.In that case, does Midwestern have the most demand because it is the hardest pod school to get into?
The sad part about this is outside this nerdy SDN argument (sorry no offense we know we're atleast a little nerdy) literally no one gives a ****. And TBH if you enjoy POD consider yourself lucky because it is a great gig. When I shadowed pods no one even understood the concept of DPM Vs MD Vs DO. Some old lady thought a pod was a "Toenail MD" yes, really. Most people don't even understand MD and DO. You know why? Because quite frankly no one gives a ****. Whichever you pick you are highly qualified, prescribe medicine and can/will do surgery. All are doctors/physicians in healthcare. Whichever you choose.... do well in it, go above and beyond, and make your money as all of them make a good living (and the hospital AND private practice pods I was shadowing were making quite a bit more than primary care MD's and DO's I know of). Now get off SDN and play outside or something. Geez
He went through podiatry with little debt, gets to help people in healthcare, and makes well over 200k+ a year.
The only real con to the profession is being told on SDN that he's not a real physician. lol.
5 out 15,000t but according to actual podiatrists on SDN
5 out 15,000
It’s more than that big guy. First year resident here and I’m always explaining my training, and what we are or aren’t allowed to do while in practice. Not to mention my attendings who are always handling back handed comments from other docs/nurses/even some patients. Had a patient bust my chops the other day wondering “why does it take 7 years to be qualified to cut her nails?” After the 1000th time of explaining what we do outside of clinic, she just chuckled.
I’ve been going back and forth on whether to post on this thread but I guess I’m here. My above comment is what Airbud was trying to explain to you all pre-pods. Podiatry can be a great field, but you’re going to need thick skin, and realistic understanding how majority of pods practice. Would be great to land that ortho spot, be full partner, and be their f&a surgeon. But you’re talking about maybe 3-5% of our profession, maybe less. Most of us will need to preform wound care and run a traditional “chip and clip” clinic in order to stay alive financially to perform the surgeries were trained to do. Not to mention fights with hospital privileging boards to allow us to preform ankle/calf/lisfranc fractures. That’s just reality of the situation. Like I said, I’m a first resident and already seeing this. It’s crazy how naive (or blind) I was before now.
And as for those who believe going to schools with DO programs means you’ll be on par with med students, you’re wrong. Airbud pointed this fact out earlier with his experience at DMU, and my co-residents from Midwestern and western echo his message. You learn the biomedical sciences together, and that’s great. But once you get to clinicals, it’s a different ball game. The general medicine I, and any other pod resident I’ve talked to, was memorized for test/rotations, and dumped when we needed to get ready for externships and boards. By buddy from Western illustrated it beautifully, pointing out he didn’t have to take shelf exams after each clinical rotation, and not had to continue to build this medical knowledge from rotation to rotation. This discrepancy in training has become more noticeable during my intern year. I, and co-residents m, are in awe the level other interns operate while on rounds at the intuition we’re working. But with hard work, we’re surviving, and finally starting to learn how to medically manage a patient. That’s how it goes no matter where you go to school. You’ll know Podiatry, but will have to earn respect of other residents while on rounds.
Not trying to “poo poo” here. Still happy I’m in the field bc I’m getting great training from some of the best pods in the country, and I enjoy most aspects of Podiatry (except calluses, I hate calluses). But I know the fight isn’t going to stop when I’m an attending. Rant over, just trying to help some of you young bucks realize that arguing with attendings on these forums whether on training, respect, or pay, you sound so naive bc you haven’t stepped foot into a hospital as a pod student/resident/attending. Not a bad thing, we were all preaching the same thing when we started school too. Just try and take what’s been mentioned on these forums by those ahead of you, so not only are you prepared to handle yours
HahaI have a feeling that some people chuckle behind my back once they hear that I'm going to podiatry school.
It’s more than that big guy. First year resident here and I’m always explaining my training, and what we are or aren’t allowed to do while in practice. Not to mention my attendings who are always handling back handed comments from other docs/nurses/even some patients. Had a patient bust my chops the other day wondering “why does it take 7 years to be qualified to cut her nails?” After the 1000th time of explaining what we do outside of clinic, she just chuckled.
I’ve been going back and forth on whether to post on this thread but I guess I’m here. My above comment is what Airbud was trying to explain to you all pre-pods. Podiatry can be a great field, but you’re going to need thick skin, and realistic understanding how majority of pods practice. Would be great to land that ortho spot, be full partner, and be their f&a surgeon. But you’re talking about maybe 3-5% of our profession, maybe less. Most of us will need to preform wound care and run a traditional “chip and clip” clinic in order to stay alive financially to perform the surgeries were trained to do. Not to mention fights with hospital privileging boards to allow us to preform ankle/calf/lisfranc fractures. That’s just reality of the situation. Like I said, I’m a first resident and already seeing this. It’s crazy how naive (or blind) I was before now.
And as for those who believe going to schools with DO programs means you’ll be on par with med students, you’re wrong. Airbud pointed this fact out earlier with his experience at DMU, and my co-residents from Midwestern and western echo his message. You learn the biomedical sciences together, and that’s great. But once you get to clinicals, it’s a different ball game. The general medicine I, and any other pod resident I’ve talked to, was memorized for test/rotations, and dumped when we needed to get ready for externships and boards. By buddy from Western illustrated it beautifully, pointing out he didn’t have to take shelf exams after each clinical rotation, and not had to continue to build this medical knowledge from rotation to rotation. This discrepancy in training has become more noticeable during my intern year. I, and co-residents m, are in awe the level other interns operate while on rounds at the intuition we’re working. But with hard work, we’re surviving, and finally starting to learn how to medically manage a patient. That’s how it goes no matter where you go to school. You’ll know Podiatry, but will have to earn respect of other residents while on rounds.
Not trying to “poo poo” here. Still happy I’m in the field bc I’m getting great training from some of the best pods in the country, and I enjoy most aspects of Podiatry (except calluses, I hate calluses). But I know the fight isn’t going to stop when I’m an attending. Rant over, just trying to help some of you young bucks realize that arguing with attendings on these forums whether on training, respect, or pay, you sound so naive bc you haven’t stepped foot into a hospital as a pod student/resident/attending. Not a bad thing, we were all preaching the same thing when we started school too. Just try and take what’s been mentioned on these forums by those ahead of you, so not only are you prepared to handle yours
It can be applied to many other specialties and professions.why does it take 7 years to be qualified to cut her nails?”
Not to mention other healthcare professionsIt can be applied to many other specialties and professions.
Does it take 7 years to diagnose flu/cold? To give a flus shot? to listen to the heart? to measure BP? to hear rattling sound of fluid in the lungs?
Does it take 7 years for FM doctor to be able to prestige refills 20% of their time?
I could go on.
It can be applied to many other specialties and professions.
Does it take 7 years to diagnose flu/cold? To give a flus shot? to listen to the heart? to measure BP? to hear rattling sound of fluid in the lungs?
Does it take 7 years for FM doctor to be able to prescribe refills 20% of their time?
I could go on.
Not to mention other healthcare professions
pharmacy: studying dosages and whatever else for 4 years (now a one year residency also for some) when it’s the doctors that have the say and pharmacists just count the pills (or the techs really)
dentristry: prob similar volume of filling cavities/checking after hygiene as a podiatrist is to routine nail care
Optometry: is this image more clear or this one?
The list goes on
If you had to go back, would you try harder and wait a bit longer to get into a DO school, or would you still go down the podiatry path? Would you have picked a different profession altogether? Dentistry?
Like I have mentioned earlier in this thread, we all greatly appreciate experiences DPM and their opinion. But looks like most of what they do is poo poo the podiatry. Just give unbiased, objective information if what is like. We all hear the negative tone. If you are in podiatry and see negative things what is the point of whining all the time. It wont do any good? you are in a profession for life, then do something to change it. Do a positive impact. Dont bush it. I would rather prefer thousands of Pods unite and do something good.But to medically manage CHF, HTN, HLD, CKD, DM all in the same patient who’s coming in with a cold/flu would and does require time and training to treat properly. At that point you’re comparing apples to oranges bc it does take time and proper training to manage the chronic ulcers/traumas that we see in our profession, not to mention garner the dexterity required for surgery.
Like I said in the last part of my original post, I understand the eagerness. All I’m saying is take what experienced pods are sharing, and instead or picking and choosing what you want to believe or argue, use the information to better grasp what’s going to asked of you in the upcoming years. You do that, you’ll be fine as an extern/resident/future attending.
Exactly, you are right.When I was going to join the army after high school:
Army Friend: YOU HAVE an 86 ASVAB? DONT GO ARMY GO AIRFORCE!
Air force friend: I sit behind a desk and get fat I should have gone army they get promoted fast!
Me:...-_-
When I was shadowing MD:
MD: Don't go into medicine (looking at me like i'm going to stick my finger in an outlet)
Me:...-_-
When I was shadowing a DO ( too much party in freshman year):
DO: Just be sure to specialize okay?
Me...-_-
Reading attendings/residents post on SDN about podiatry
Me: -_- i'm starting to see a pattern
That’s life lol.. the grass is always greener on the other side but people forget you still gotta mow itExactly, you are right.
People always complain, can never be satisfied, and want more than they have.
The grass is greener on the other side.
I agree. Like I said, I am open to objective information. Everyone here appreciates experienced pods and their opinions. I like hearing both sides. But a lot of the info is very subjective. Some info is just what perspective and approach these people have.@PashaOdesit I don't know pasha I like hearing the bad experiences. If anything listening to the bad is more important than hearing the good, because it is the bad that needs fixing.
I agree. Like I said, I am open to objective information. Everyone here appreciates experienced pods and their opinions. I like hearing both sides. But a lot of the info is very subjective. Some info is just what perspective and approach these people have.
1. For example, pods bring up the lack of expected respect for podiatry. Tell me how docs treat nurses at work. I know. Nonetheless, people go into nursing and many are very happy. It is still a great field with high demand, good pay and personal satisfaction.
Conclusion, respect is really a subjective thing and is based on a lot of factors. Tell me what kind of respect do DOs get sitting in FM clinic all their life in their 4x4 offices.
2. Income. PhDs go to school for about the same time and their income is not even close to pods. Teachers with master degrees in most high schools get 30K-50K
3. Hard to find a job. Like it is easy to find a job with any other field. If you are always comparing with something better, you might be never happy. Look what is really out there besides medicine.
4. I bet some MD/DO think that they should have opened some business, became CEO or do something else.
Do what you would love to do for the rest of your life. Medicine is not the best field for respect and money. There are other ways to gain respect and become wealthy.
Like I have mentioned earlier in this thread, we all greatly appreciate experiences DPM and their opinion. But looks like most of what they do is poo poo the podiatry. Just give unbiased, objective information if what is like. We all hear the negative tone. If you are in podiatry and see negative things what is the point of whining all the time. It wont do any good? you are in a profession for life, then do something to change it. Do a positive impact. Dont bush it. I would rather prefer thousands of Pods unite and do something good.
I never liked when people complain all the time but never do anything about it.
People complain about their weight, they cars being broken, their relationships, their jobs, their health but do nothing to help themselves. Same here.
All I hear from experienced pods here is: "wait until u get into residency or practice and talk to me". Trying to bring wrong impressions.
you are in a profession for life, then do something to change it.
I don’t care about the respect and prestige aspect of a job, there are always going to be people who feel superior to others all the time, and respect is earned via actions, not degrees. What I care most about is job security, money, and the ability to make a huge impact on people’s life.
Podiatry has the last one covered. You get to help people walk again. That is pretty amazing. You can literally save a persons life when they have gas gangrene. That’s pretty amazing.
Money I need to know what to expect because I gotta pay back those loans, and I made a huge opportunity cost to get here. I could have been working those 7 years making connections, building bridges, starting from the bottom and working to mid level so yeah, I’m gonna be concerned if a pod can’t make 150k/year.
Security is huge to because as someone who faced the job market with a bacholars degree, join the club! It’s an endless Congo line of part-time Starbucks gigs. Not fun, but way to common for people graduating right now.
The most important thing disillusioned doctors have to ask themselves, be it MD, DDS, DPT, whatever, what else were u gonna do with a useless biology degree? The answer prolly wasn’t “Do a startup”.
You seem to have a good grasp on the profession, the cost of joining the profession, and have done your due diligence. I’m pretty sure you’ll be successful once you come out in practice. A pod CAN make 150k a year, some maybe not immediately out of residency but a lot will easily exceed that. Obviously a lot depends on how hard you work and your hustle.