GPR - is it worth it?

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does anyone know from experience in a GPR if it makes you all that much of a better clinician? especially for someone who took a lot out of their dental school education to begin with? it just seems like some gprs are getting to do a lot of scut work and other things that dont have to do with dentistry. if youre not in NY, do you think its ok to do it the old fashioned way and find a really great GP and let them take you under their wing?

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The majority of dental students will go straight to work as an associate. If you don't want to do a GPR then don't think twice about it. People have different goals and that is fine.
 
Ok. That's really nice to hear because I thought that most dental school grads go straight to GPR/AEGD or specialize with the few that have family in the profession taking them in straight out of school. Maybe its becuase I'm close to NY with the 1 yr residency requirement. Do you know if NY has reciprocity? thanks
 
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Ok. That's really nice to hear because I thought that most dental school grads go straight to GPR/AEGD or specialize with the few that have family in the profession taking them in straight out of school. Maybe its becuase I'm close to NY with the 1 yr residency requirement. Do you know if NY has reciprocity? thanks

Here's NY's licensing requirements: http://www.op.nysed.gov/dentlic.htm
The residency requirement only applies to initial licensure.

A GPR/AEGD is can be worth it if you select a program that is in line with your goals. Many offer additional experience that you may not have received in dental school. Whether that extra experience is beneficial really depends on what you want to do with it. The key is finding the right program for you.
 
from what i've heard. there are open spots. a lot of people it seems use the gpr as a safety blanket upon dental school graduation. they either realize that taking call and doing lots of bs on top of dentistry isnt worthwhile (hence the title of my original post) and they bail, leaving open spots. or they get into the specialty they wanted to go into, and they leave an open spot for a gpr. im convinced that its not really set on match day, you get a little scramble in the summer, and then a nother one in the winter when ppl get laid off, or go home for the holidays and never go back
 
Ok. That's really nice to hear because I thought that most dental school grads go straight to GPR/AEGD or specialize with the few that have family in the profession taking them in straight out of school. Maybe its becuase I'm close to NY with the 1 yr residency requirement. Do you know if NY has reciprocity? thanks

I think you are right.

Most people will have very strong opinions about GPR vs associating. I think neither experience is uniform. You can have an associate year where your skills atrophy and you can have a GPR year where you learn a lot but it really doesn't apply to private practice dentistry. On the other hand you can have an amazing GPR year and you could really get a select associate job and get fast and good in the "real world".

You hear the debate raging on this site, dental town and other web sites. People have really chewed up this topic. One thing that drops out of the threads is that so far I have yet to hear someone regret their GPR year looking back on it from a few years out (many regret it during the last 6 months). I have heard of associates looking back, feeling insecure and wishing they'd done a GPR/AEDG.

The second that drops out of these debate threads is that there are those few in d school with vision of exactly what they want. They are goal setters and they create opportunities to learn CE courses, make plans, contact everyone and learn everthing they can. These people seem very content with their choice not to GPR when looking back. They are generally outgoing personalities with drive to learn and good patient relationships.

Although this may sound like a cop out, I really think there are good arguments pro and con and ultimately its a personal decision.
 
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I think you are right.

Most people will have very strong opinions about GPR vs associating. I think neither experience is uniform. You can have an associate year where your skills atrophy and you can have a GPR year where you learn a lot but it really doesn't apply to private practice dentistry. On the other hand you can have an amazing GPR year and you could really get a select associate job and get fast and good in the "real world".

You hear the debate raging on this site, dental town and other web sites. People have really chewed up this topic. One thing that drops out of the threads is that so far I have yet to hear someone regret their GPR year looking back on it from a few years out (many regret it during the last 6 months). I have heard of associates looking back, feeling insecure and wishing they'd done a GPR/AEDG.

The second that drops out of these debate threads is that there are those few in d school with vision of exactly what they want. They are goal setters and they create opportunities to learn CE courses, make plans, contact everyone and learn everthing they can. These people seem very content with their choice not to GPR when looking back. They are generally outgoing personalities with drive to learn and good patient relationships.

Although this may sound like a cop out, I really think there are good arguments pro and con and ultimately its a personal decision.
From people I talked to (who did GPR), I would say they mainly fall into 3 categories:

1. People who are not confident about their clinical skills, and find themselves emotionally edgy towards seeing patients in the real world. Typically, these are the people who will always recommend others to do GPR, because GPR (to them) is all about boosting their general dentistry skills.

2. People who wish to further build their credentials to get into specialties (i.e. a lot of people who shoot for pedo and endo but don't meet the cut-offs usually fall into this category). These people will be more selective about what programs they apply to, as they want GPRs that provide more emphasis in areas they wish to specialize in. You will not see this group of people recommending GPRs to others, unless you are in a similar situation as they are.

3. People who are ready to practice in the real world, but wish to focus their dentistry to certain procedures without the goal of specializing (i.e. implants, oral sedation, etc). These are the people who wish to accept cases in their practices where others refer out to a specialist. Just like people in category #2, they will also be very specific about what GPR programs they apply to, since they wish to invest more education/training to gain more experience in areas of their choice. These guys usually don't recommend GPR unless you share similar philosophy.

Then there is a category where people from any of the above groups regret doing GPR all together, due to bad experience, or simply over-estimated what they would get out of their programs.

Again, this is just a perosnal observation. Unfortunately, it ultimately comes down to what a person really wants to do after they finish school.
 
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I think that some of you (as a whole and not necessarily the above respondents) are not sure what exactly a GPR is. Before you decide whether to particiapate or skip this training, I think it would be a good idea find out what a GPR program actually is. The requirements and self study are on the ADA website under advanced programs. You can see what is required of all residency and advanced specialty training programs. Informed decisions are what we as a profession are about.
 
Frankly, no matter what you "think" you learned in dental school, there is much more outside the swinging doors of that institution that you need to know. A GPR/AGD are two of the best ways to get good training from specialists and advanced trained "generalists" instead of a mentor who may actually know not much more than you and whose experience has been "doing it wrong for twenty years". Sure, ther are great dentists who keep up with CE and learn the newest techniques, but an ADA approved training program will help you learn how to evaluate literature or evidence that those sales reps like to throw around to "impress the ignorant". Trust me, it can only improve your skills. Why risk trying to find a good mentor as an associate versus going into an accredited training program? Go for the additional training, you'll be glad you did.:thumbup:
 
thanks BigFish, I think you're right. I think its kind of a pipe dream to be done that quickly. Plus I think I heard stuff from some bitter tainted sources.
 
Do the residency. Like bigfish said, you will be glad later on.
I ve been practicing for a while now and I did gpr but rather tough program down in ohio. You are going to be a doctor not a technician.
In the training, you won't just learn about how to do filling s faster, the program will teach you much about medical, dental aspect of the profession. Personally, after seeing some bad dental work being dome outside, im very glad that some states are replacing a licensure exam with it. I ve seen plenty of bad ones in my class passing the exam and still do bad dental work outside. After doing residency, you will be much more efficient, not to mention, you will know what to do in unexpected situations. ( hence, again, you will be a doctor, not technician) Im not suggesting everyone who didn;t do residency is bad dentist. Im simply stating it should be vital part in getting license.
 
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