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Folks,

I just started to visit this forum.This is a great site.

There are so many Americans and Non-Americans looking for a med school to pursue their dreams.I just want to bring to your attention about the oppurtunity existing in India for your Med school dreams.

I read messages about med schools in Carribean,Israel,Australia,Ireland etc in some messages.

Have you ever thought about going to India for med school?
Medical education is cheaper than any of the above countries.
Most of the Indians either speak or understand English.
Education standard is equal to any International standard.Indian MDs pass USMLE in greated percentage than any other nationalities.
India is a warm and beautiful country.It is a developed country in the underdeveloped continent.
You see more clinical cases and get the all the practical training more than even US.
Indian teachers are dedicated and devoted.

There are many private med schools in India which are so modern and sophisticated.You will not believe unless you experience it.
There is more value for less dollars.
Many clever Indian Americans who could go to med school in US still prefer to go to India.

I have seen and been to those Irish med schools which are mentioned in this forum.
I can bet that some Indian med schools are more than equal to those med schools where you spend those thousands of dollars for nothing.

Explore the med schools in India.It's worth it!!!!

PS:I am not an agent for any med school.I just want to open your eyes in other directions.
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The only Indian med schools that I have discovered will accept non Indians or Non-Resident Indians is Kasturba Medical College and Sri Ramacharandra. For these foreigners, it is expensive. I would certainly welcome other info.
 
Kasturba Medical School near Banglore and Sri Ramachandra at Madras are both state of the art medical schools in India.They provide excellent medical curriculum and training.They are affliated to some American medical schools.American med students at these schools even come to US for some rotations.I am not sure about tuition fees.They cannot be equal to European or carribean schools exorbitant fees.Moreover,cost of living is cheaper in India.

Indian medical schools are divided into Government medical schools and Private medical schools run by some educational bodies.I think all these private medical school admit NRI and foriegners.I would not say all private medical schools are of same standard.

JJM medical school at Davangere near Banglore also admits overseas grads.I would post further info if possible.
 
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Hi Madanraj,

Do you know the situation if someone from UK wanted to go to India to train?

What are the "A level" requirements to gain entry? How would you go about applying?

Thanks :D
 
Kasturba Medical College:

First instalment: US$ 16500
Second instalment: US$ 16500
Third instalment: US$ 16500
Fourth instalment: US$ 16500
Fifth instalment: US$ 8250

= US$ 72,450

Plus one year of cumplsory rotating internship--I'm not sure how that works out financially. Do you know?

I did not know that Jagathguru Jayadava Murugurajendra (JJM) Medical College would accept foreigners. I have e-mailed them about tuition and such so I can thus educate myself. This web page of them has a really, really neat design:
http://www.atdavangere.com/jjmmc/index.html
 
Hi Sita,

I am not sure about "A" level requirement.
Firstly,I do not know what is "A" level.I went to high school and med school in India.

They accept any college and high school degree equivalent to Indian Higher secondary school with Physics,Chemistry and Biology subjects.I don't think they have any score limitations.

Compulsory rotatory internship is after your four and half years of medical school training.This is just like American internship.You rotate in medical,surgery,ob/Gyn and speciality units for whole one year.You don't have to pay tuition fees for this.Actually,they pay you the stifend.Some guys get exempted from doing internship in India and they go to their own country like US or UK and complete their internship.

Indian medical school curriculum is shorter.Total of 4 1/2 years of med school plus 1 year of internship.

I did my Postgraduate Orthopedic degree at JJM college.I love that college campus.
 
lets try to aviod the FMG label, and as mandaraj did, i too am going to advertise medical school..that is here in the US. COME TO MEDICAL SCHOOL here in the US. PS..if i get flamed its not my fault..my friend is at a medical college in india and he cant get back. If only he would have stayed here.....
 
Your friend probably
a) has sub-standard board scores (FMG's need 200+)
b) is trying to get residency in surgery/ortho, or something else completely beyond his grasp
or
c) can't pass the indian exams, (which are no joke, mind you)

I have several friends who are USFMG's and have gotten into fine institutions here for residency.
 
Madanraj, I am curious where you did your med school, and if there were foreigners (non-Indians) in your class and if there were, how well they were received by the class and the setting and such.

Too, what is your take on the following: http://www.imtu.edu
 
Hi Stephen,

I graduated MBBS from a Government Medical School in (Tamilnadu)South India and Post-Grad from JJM.
There were NRIs and Non-Indians at JJM,Katurba and other privates schools like MS.Ramiah at Banglore.

I had spent my time in India,Europe and US after my medical school qualification.(Do not imagine me in the peri-retirement period)I think, I have a better view in my angle about medical education in these three continents.

Simply,there is no big difference in undergraduate medical education.What matters most is the Post-Graduate training.
United states is the best place for postgraduate training.

Do not hesitate or worried about reception of foriegners in India.There is nothing called RACISM in India.Believe me! If you had heard anything about that..it must be 1 in Billion.I am sure, you will get special attention if you are an American.Indians love Americans more than Irish.If you are ever in trouble you can just say "Bill Clinton".It will save you!

Banglore is a wonderful city for Americans.It is very cosmopolitan with class weather(plus women).Usually students who go to this private schools are from "A" list background.They rub shoulders with movie stars and millionaires.Actually, these medical schools are different worlds.Do not imagine India with what our ABC news channel shows when there is disaster.

If you want to go to India to get a degree and pass USMLE soon...come back to US for your Residency.Do not think twice.You will not regret.

About that IMTU...it looks like new institution.Do you know where they provide clinical training? I do not know about the clinical training in Tanzania.India is good for clinical training.You get to see and examine all type of textbook cases in Indian hospitals.

Interestingly,I have some connections with the Director of IMTU.Let me know if you need any help or any info.
 
Just to add my 2 pennies worth.....

I would only go to Medical School in another country, purely for the experience of being in another country.

Even if I wanted it would be almost impossible for me to go abroad, let alone for Medicine due to two reasons, my country has plenty of medical schools, including two new ones opening up in 2002 and you would have to be in the top set in the whole country and believe me I'm going to have some problems getting into an undergraduate medical degree here at home, forget anywhere else!!

I reckon a lot of the people going abroad to study from the UK are those who have spent lifetimes in private institutions.
 
There is nothing called RACISM in India.
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Are you ^&*(ing kidding me? Indian culture is amongst the most closed, and racist cultures on the planet.

1) Caste System- though people say its dissapearing, it really isnt, and there are examples of racist and reverse-racist policies everywhere there.
2) Most indians, (at least in the south)view Americans(indians from us) as loud-mouthed, arrogant, and sex/drug crazed...Most kids that went to india for med school never mixed in withthe local crowd. I have seen several fights break out for no other reason than having the "yankee twang" taht sounds so ******ed to them.
3) If you are white, and considering india for medschool, know in advance that you will be stared at, jeered at, and looked upon as an outsider in MOST situations.

To Note, i do know an American white guy who actually did very well there. It all depends
 
There is Racisim everywhere, you can't avoid it wherever you go, can you?
 
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I completely disagree with Dr.JB.
Indian culture is not as you think.Do not form an opinion by reading and listening to someone.

Staring ,Jeering, Looking at Foriegners is not RACISM.It is simple EXCITEMENT!!!There is no hatred there.
Thinking about the Non-resident Indians as loud mouthed and arrogant is a feeling of JEALOUSY due to their parents success.

There could be some subtle racism somewhere in India.It is acceptable in a country of billion people.
 
 
Oh Please! You'll definitely experience racism in India. I can assert that thru personal experience. Many times people in one state have sickening bias against people of other states (eg. against Punjabi Sikhs, Muslims, etc.). How can foreigners be left out of it?
BUT, as Sita said above, there is racism EVERYWHERE!
PS: Other things stated by the original poster about Indian medschools seem to be somewhat true though.
 
madanraj ,please can u tell how medical technology is related to medicine. means can a doctor work as medical technologist? if any doctor has a great interest in medical technolgy how he can join this med tech. line? in india where is the specific collages for medical tech.?plz give me some information about it. :confused:
 
Hi Dr lk,

I have heard about Bio-Medical Technology and Medical Laboratory Technology which are related to medicine.BM tech has great scope.Are Physicians Qualified? Why not? I think we are SuperQualified to do that speciality.

If you are interested, you should search in the net for info and do some courses to get into that field.I guess it is a smart idea to get into that field in this 21st century.

I do not know about the colleges in India with such courses.I am sure there are many Universities in the US with Bio-med courses.
I am sorry,I cannot be more helpful.
 
madanraj, thanks a lot. i think it will help me lot. so once again thank you very much. :)
 
madanraj please can you tell me that do we have nay osteopethic medical collage in india or not? what is the name of this degree? please tell em in detail in india about DO?
 
why not go to an osteopathic school instead???
 
With regards to being a student at a college in India, I would like to fill you in on a few of my opinions. I am from the US but decided to come to India for Medical school and I am just finishing up my Final Year in JSS Medical College in Mysore. I have had a wonderful time here and learned a lot, but it was not easy. After being brought up in the US, I feel thatit takes a person of great adaptation to be able to attend college here and "fit in." As a foreigner the food, the facilities, the BATHROOMS, especially while travelling is a huge problem. Its not for everyone but it is a great experience.
 
Hi! I just joined the forum and i think its such a good idea! Its nice to know that there are other people going through the same med school problems!! Im an American in my second year at a med school in South India. Eveything you've said about medical education in India is true. But it isnt as nice as you made it out to be. It takes a lot of adjusting and patience to be able to survive 5 years out here! It is cheaper, the education standard is good, most of the people who took their usmle did fine and yes it is a ~HOT~ and beautiful country. However, it all depends on which college you decide to go to. There are only 3 colleges in the state where i study, thats even recognized in America and admissions isnt a problem. But be careful how you get your admissions information. THere are plenty of people out here that want to help you with it but end up stealing your money and your leaving you all alone (its happened to me and a few other NRI's i know) I didnt get a chance to visit the college i'm in before i joined but if i saw it im sure i wouldnt have come here! Its a very village based university and if you dont know the local language by your second year, forget about taking history! I do get to see alot of interesting cases though, and now that ive adjusted, i think its a great experience! So, if anyone is thinking about going to med school in india do a lot of research and be prepared for the extreme weather! :cool:
 
is also NRI.

Bebe, r u from madras?

I hang out at Gatsby 2000, maybe Ill see ya around
 
no funkadesi, im not in madras im 4 hours away. Is Gatsby 2000 in park sheraton?
 
i agree with madanraj. i my self live in iran and i have lived in many many places. i went to india for a year, a couple of years ago and it realy is a good place.they have their own culture and as mandaraj said there is nothing called as racism.
 
sita
what do u mean by from a private institution?? :confused:
 
[Now how can you say the standards of indian medical schools are high if some poster on a internet chatroom actually has connections with the admissions committee and can help you get accepted? Wierd huh.
 
No offense, but has anyone seen the quality these Indian schools tunr out? I for one dread IMGs from India, sure there are a few good ones out there, but the majority of them really are substandard to American educated ones. There's quite a few around me who are heart specialists and you wonder if they even know where the valves are. I'd personally max out US schools first, Carribean, and any other Western country first before I'd step into India.
 
How did they become Cardiologists in the United States of America without knowing the heart valves?

Do you mean that American board of Cardiology certification is of low standard? :confused:
Please explain.
 
prelude, I think your comment came across arrogant, but I understand what you mean. If I was premed, my first choice would be MD in the states, then DO in the states, then the carribean and so forth. But to say that
I for one dread IMGs from India, sure there are a few good ones out there, but the majority of them really are substandard to American educated ones.
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How do you know the majority are substandard? Also, are you speaking of right now? What about our parents' generation? I don't mean to sound like I'm sticking up for my parents, but I think they're great doctors, and not because they're my parents, but because of what people tell me ALL THE TIME. I think it was a little presumptious of you to make a statement like that. I do understand that most people (including you and me I think) would choose staying in this country by all means. Anyway, I hope I'm making sense to you, I'm tired :) :oops:
 
PS, there IS racism in India. There's racism everywhere as Sita said. In India, there's racism against other races(obviously) and prejudices against lighter and darker people...that's the truth :)
 
there is a medschool in Pune[maharastra]-BHARTIYA VIDHYAPEETH ,where many NRI come.its a good college+pune is lovely place.
 
hey guys, give India a chance.its a great place.Everyone HAS to adjust in a foreign country.as for being stared at i was in New Jersy earlier this year &people would look at me like i had grown two horns.so i guess this is a universal phenomenon.
 
You can also go to Pakistan for medical school. King Edward Medical College, in Lahore, pakistan is a thriving city with a lot of opportunities. KEMC accepts students from swtizerland, US, and canada. It is really a great school with high standards.
 
Is it livable for foreigners? I heard things about clean water is hard to find. I am also thinking it may be too hot in India.
 
Bottled water is avaiable, as well as purifiers.
 
If you have Thirst for medical knowledge go to India.You will not be disappointed.I cannot promise about clean water.I have survived drinking gallons of Indian water.

Well,there are only three types of weather in India.HOT...HOTTER...HOTTEST.
You will enjoy the whole American summer in just a couple of days.Thankgod! I escaped from that weather before burning into ashes.
In addition to that Hotness....you have to face those HOT Indian chicks.

Is India liveable for foriegners? The only risk is..you could die of heat stroke.

Someone in this thread commented about substandard medical education of Indian medical graduates.I have to mention about the high standard of qualifying exams of Indian medical schools here.

American medical graduates pass their exams by completing USMLE exams.I am not sure whether they take any clinical skills exams before qualifying.

In Indian medical schools the final exams are composed of mcq paper and theory written papers in all subjects.The difficult part of the qualifying exam is the Clinical case exams tested in surgery,medicine and Ob/Gyn.They give the real patients and test your diagnostic and clinical skills.Final exams are week long exams where the passing rate is limited.

MDs coming to US go through USMLE tests which screens their medical knowledge again.99% of the Indian MDs pass the American Board exams succesfully.I do not understand where the sub-standard comes. :confused:
 
Madanraj,

I have to disagree with you about your comment about 99% of Indian Medical College grads passing the USMLE. In fact, the realistic number is more in the range of 60%. A few schools (like Manipal) have a pass rates (90s), although their clinical skills can be considered substandard (mainly because of poor hospital equipment).
I a 45 yr old who graduated from an Indian med school when he was like 25 or so, practiced in India for 10 yrs, spent 5 yrs studying for the USMLE, failed step one, barely passed on his second try. Barely passed Step II. Applied for the match 2 times unsuccessfully. On his third try, he also failed to match...but was able to scramble into an Internal Medicine residency in Pittsburgh. Now, do you really want someone like this being your physician? Of course, he was an Indian national.
To quanitfy that story, most Indian physicians are very knowledgeable, top notch in their field, and account for a good fifth of the country's physicians (although u don't see then on ER!) They are surgeons, cardiologists, pathologists, psychiatrists, internists, etc. We must appreciate their contribution to the US health care system..as many underserved areas would have a higher physician shortage than they do now. On the flip side, they are taking up exctra US residencies when US medical schools turn away thousands of qualified medical school applicants a year. We are the only country in the world to do this. Even countries like India have strict immigration laws for foreign physicians wishing to practice there. Sounds pretty hypocritical of the US to me.
Anyway, point is, India is an option for medical school. Its all up to you, how hard are you willing to work. I know a few people who were US citizens who went to India for med school. Out of five, I actually don't remember any of them matching, but thats becuase they are studying for USMLE. Corruption is abundant in India and that is a reality (although probably less so than Pakistan). I would strongly think twice about going i f you are caucasian. You WILL be stared at (especially if yoou are female), and will often be the target of scams...but usually its because they are desperate and you are new. I wouldn't call it racism. Most Indians love westerners (probably more than thehy should).
Just my $0.02
 
Nik,

I just want to clarify that 99% is not for the USMLE.That percent is for Board certification exams (ABIM,AB(Surgery)..etc) which is taken after completing the residency training.Indian folks are so driven in passing exams.That is what they have done all their life.They will give anything to pass exams.

Your point about.... sub-standard clinical skills due to poor hospital equipment?
What clinical skills has anything to do with equipments? I agree if you say substandard technical skills in using instruments.Infact,your clinical skills will improve if you don't have advanced equipments as back up.I use to diagnose lung problems with just auscultation (without X-rays or CT scan)valvular heart diseases with stethoscope and not by echo, acute appendicitis and other abdominal secrets with help of my confident pair of hands (not with diagnostic laproscopy).I have forgotten those great skills.Now I believe on my Hospital technicians skills.I agree with you Indian MDs are not trained with sophisticated equipments.A good doctor does not need machine.

I remember many stunning occasions during my med school training seeing some of my senior clinicians diagnosing some problems as soon as patient enters his office.They diagnosed diseases with those good old basic tools!

Lastly,Why wouldn't you go to that 45 year old Indian doctor? His 10 years of practice could have given him wealth of experience.He had failed in step 1 which tested his basic sciences which he has studied a decade ago.If I ask you to take your step in
2011.How would you fair in the test?

Step 1 does not test your clinical knowledge.
Never underestimate someone's experience.He would be a better doctor than a fresh doctor who had scored 99%.
 
I do not know the reasons why you guys think that if Americans go to India for medical school..that you will be stared.As Nik said
...it is true that they would love you more than they should.

In United States,if Madanraj goes with Nik to somewhere and meets a group of American med students...Madanraj will be ignored in that group because he is an Indian,he has brown skin, he is a foriegner and he is an IMG.

In India,if Madanraj goes with Nik to somewhere and meets a group of Indian med students...still Madanraj will be ignored.Nik will steal the show because he is an American,he is a foriegner and he is
white.Do you get my point?.Those guys will be more friendly with you than me.

India is a peculiar country.I am an Indian and still I have not understood about this Indian mentality.If Nik can steal the show...imagine what an American woman can do?
 
Hello,
there are good & bad doctors everywhere &USMLE is certainly not an indicator of your skill as a doc.I dont understand, how is corruption related to med ed in India.
 
I have some questions for those who have first-hand experience with Indian Medical Schools...

1) What is the application process like?
2) Are the MCATs required or does India have its own standardized admission test such as Australia does?
3) I understand that extra attention will be paid to young white females, but is this a safety concern at all?
4) Do the schools teach in English?
5) Have you been able to pick up an Indian dialect in your time in India?
6) Did you tend to associate primarily with other Americans or expatriates or do you find it easy to make friends among the Indians at the medical school?
7) How expensive are flights from India to the States?

Thanks!
 
Being in Pakistan, I will naturally speak against India, but here are a few facts that can't be denyed. These are for Skye04:

(1) The application process is usually done by email, the postal systems in India and Pakistan are wrecked and can't be trusted. You'll have to send your supporting documents by FedEx or a reliable courier.

(2) MCAT's aren't required, usually A-Levels are enough, but SAT-I and SAT-II grades will be helpful (or necessary) depending on the school. India and Pakistan have a different set of qualifications (F.Sc. in Pakistan, ??? in India) which are more or less A-Level rip-offs.

(3) While a 'white female' is at risk anywhere, I'm sure they'd be safe in India/Pakistan. They will have to put up with passes from EVERY man in the college, endless flirtation, perhaps even the teachers. I doubt many would do anything more than just make passes, considering they'd be expelled from medical school (which is a real b*tch to get into in any country).

(4) Schools teach in English, although lecturers will re-explain key concepts in Urdu or Hindi if enough of the class doesn't understand. But trust me, if they're in medical school, they probably speak good English. You will meet many Indians/Pakistanis who were born and raised abroad and speak excellent English, but there will always be those who can't speak more than a handful of English (they are in the minority, though)

Now I'm speaking from my experience. Being an American in Pakistan myself, I can tell you the weather's terribly hot, and it's the humid, sticky heat. Drinking Indian/Pakistani water will get you sick for the first six months but after that you should be fine. Be sure to get vaccinated against as many water-borne diseases as you can. The food, however, will get you sick often if you're not careful. Only eat freshly prepared, HOT food. Don't try cold stuff like salads or dressings unless you want to spend your years of med school sitting on the toilet.

Speaking of cleanliness... India and Pakistan are rather filthy by most people's standards, the schools included. I went to King Edward Medical College in Lahore, they've got one building front "presentable" and the rest of the campus is filthy. Whoever said Lahore was beautiful has obviously never been there, or lived in a sewer all his/her life. You'd be lucky to get hot water for showers (you won't want hot water in Indian/Pakistani water, but there are times...). Dorms are usually non-airconditioned, also.

There, it's all out of my system. That's why I'm so against going to med school in the sub-continent. The education is great, but it's FILTHY. And expensive. As a foreigner, they will probably accept you just for the money. Local students can get in for about 100,000-250,000 Pakistani Rupees a year (US$1500-US$4000 per year) and it can't be that different than India. But as a foreigner, your admission chances are very high (they want (and need) your MONEY!), but you have to pay US$10,000-US$18,000 a year. Which is ridiculous.

My bottom line: If you want admission, have the money, and don't mind the FILTH, go for it. If you're a girl, I'd be real careful though. They have all-girls med colleges in Pakistan/India and I'd recommend those. Otherwise, I'd go elsewhere. India/Pakistan are not places to go for 'enjoying' or 'seeing the world'. Trust me, I've been here for four years and can't wait to leave!

If I need to clarify anything more, reply or drop me a line: [email protected]
 
SKYE04,

All the Indian medical school which takes Foriegners who pays thousands of dollars have good facilities in their medical schools.For example the medical schools in South India at Manipal,Davangere and Madras have excellent libraries and teaching facilities.

They teach only in ENGLISH.100% of the medical students would be able to speak English.They prefer to speak in local languages amoung friends outside the campus.There would not be any communication problem for you in India.

It is not like france! Indians are not language fanatics!Many Indians think speaking their own local language is not cool.They think Speaking English is cool.You will be surprised to see this fact!

There is no All-Women medical schools in India.It is co-educational.I agree people will stare at you because you are white.Actually,it is good for you and will get more attention.You might feel like a Hollywood star and would raise your self-esteem!After sometime you will get used to this stares from others.

I do not remember the airfare.It would be approximately $1200.You could get good deal if you work hard on it.

Indian medschool campuses are not filthy.They are maintained clean.You have to see it to believe it!
I agree some parts of the country are not clean.What would you expect from a poor country overflowing with billion peoples?
You could always choose a better life style in India during your stay there avoiding coming across uncleaniness.You can always get a clean accomodation,chaffeur driven car to go to medschool and even a cook if you could afford.
 
Hi

The views expressed in this forum have been quite interesting to say the least. At the outset, I guess everyone needs to realize that when you move to ANY NEW COUNTRY, some amount of adjustment in your lifestyle is necessary. If things are the same the world over then imagine how boring and dull life would be?

Regarding the quality of education and the physicians coming out of these institutions....well once again there are always black sheep in any part of the world (I am sure each of us have a story to share in this regard). Hence it would be premature to generalize on this issue. When access to ample resources are provided, irrespective of nationality, individuals have shown outstanding capabilities. All said and done, education in India is fun, challenging and an experience that will stay on with you for a long time....
 
Pakistan SUCKS for med-school. I know a couple of girls that went there, and they had NO life, because its so oppressive there.

I mean, pakistan is a SERIOUS 3rd World country...India is like the USA, compared to them...

...EDIT LANGUAGE...

I would never go near Pakistan.

...EDIT LANGUAGE...

Just My $.02

Karthik

Too questionable of language edited from post by Stephen Ewen
 
You ought to know better than fan the flames of hatred. Both countries have problems which could be be deemed "oppressive," including the unmitigating poverty one encounters in India. Grow up.
 
i'm indian, and, no i'm not muslim, but that persons comments have no place here or anywhere.
I hope this community lets this ignorant and bigoted person know he/she is not welcome here.
 
Who says India is a poor country?

Indians have Golden Hearts!

Imagine India owning one billion Golden Hearts.
There is no other rich country in the globe with that much gold.
Money is not everything..folks! :rolleyes:
 
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