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So your OB nurse calls and says that the epidural someone else placed earlier is one sided and she had the pt lie on the unaffected side. Is this going to work?
So your OB nurse calls and says that the epidural someone else placed earlier is one sided and she had the pt lie on the unaffected side. Is this going to work?
Very good you guys.
Then my partner tells me that one of the OB nurses called him about a one sided epidural and that she put the pt on the other side and it worked.
avg 5 cm to space, i leave it at 10 cm at the skin, that gives 2 cm of "wiggle" room to pull back. I have not pulled it back more than 1 cm fearing that it would come out too far. Honestly, I've turn the patient to the low side and bolused from the bag, and it seems to work 50% of the time. If it fails to improve after 1 hour, I pull back 1 cm, then if it still not working after another hour, I replace.
I let the nurses have their way and have the patients flip over, and many times, it actually works.
Nope. Educate nurse, replace epidural. I usually skip the educate nurse step since it doesn't seem to work.
just curious about your opinion on this then...
many ob nurses also believe that epidurals increase the rate of cesarian section too. so, do you allow them to "have their way" and delay placement, especially since many of them are supposedly "advocating" for that mom?
just curious about your opinion on this then...
many ob nurses also believe that epidurals increase the rate of cesarian section too. so, do you allow them to "have their way" and delay placement, especially since many of them are supposedly "advocating" for that mom?
It's called picking my battles.
I don't know what it is like in your practice, but in mine, we don't put an epidural in until the OB 'orders' the epidural. So sometimes it is the OB that is delaying the epidural and I could give them study after study but it is still their patient and if they don't want an epidural yet, the patient isn't getting one.
Funny, where I work the nurses request them early (I am convinced) as a chemical earplug.
Funny, where I work the nurses request them early (I am convinced) as a chemical earplug.
this may be part of the problem, namely your perception that you have to "battle" nurses on any level.
this is an excellent opportunity for you to educate them (OBs and patients). at our institution, this starts well before mommy shows up with her water broken. there has been a real change in the mindset here over the past 2-3 years about this topic, especially since we have one of the world opinion-leaders in OB anesthesia concerning this issue at our institution.
so, maybe this will catch-on elsewhere. until then, i can only wait until someone comes out with a study that shows pain results in longer labor. because, i can't tell you how many "therapeutic epidurals" i put in before our L&D team (OBs and nurses) finally wised up.
But while everyone at my institution is nice and does provide good patient care - I am a newbie working with OB's that have been around for 20-30 years and the reality is that it is an uphill battle for me. So again, I stand my ground when I believe patient care is at stake.
or, maybe you just haven't yet hit the point (if you indeed haven't already) of being sick of sitting behind some contracting woman and trying to hit a moving target.
I don't fight a severely laboring woman with a 18g Touhy.
they came to have a baby with their OB
And they are going to have a baby with whichever of 14 MDs/DOs is covering for their OBs group today.
if it's earplug time, it's already too late. now, when we get 8-9cm, +1 station, 100% effaced "requests" for epidurals, they are usually subsequently met by an attending-attending discussion. no excuse to make a mom suffer like that... unless she wants to. if you are truly acting as a consultant when you assess that mom, you'll "advocate" for her as well, not based on your feelings or what you think is right, but by what is the best evidence base. you should pick that battle, unless you're content being nothing more than a technician and someone else's order filler.