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engineeredout said:
Anyone else find reading WHEREAS every other line rather annoying?
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That's standard form for a legislative resolution.

My question is this, why does this sentence make absolutely no sense?

"RESOLVED, that the AOA enthusiastically embraces the heritage and philosophy of Dr. Andrew Taylor Still be reaffirming the DO degree as the recognized degree designation for all graduates of AOA COCA accredited colleges of osteopathic medicine."

Typo? "the AOA embraces the heritage be reaffirming the DO degree" ?

Am I missing something?

bth
 
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I noticed that too. A typo in a piece of legislation indicates that the folks that represent our chosen profession have just tumbled out of the ding-dong closet. They say that they don't want to change the degree, but seem to forget that the DEGREE WAS CHANGED; from diplomate of Osteopathy to doctor of Osteopathy, and finally to doctor of Osteopathic Medicine. It is not about a degree change ***dammit, that has already happened, it's about changing the initials that indicate the degree earned.

The fact that they don't see that is indicative of why THEY didn't get into an MD school like they wanted to, but have since compensated for their fragile self-esteem by embracing the superiority of cranial treatments over immunizations etc. Please don't get me wrong, I am so in love with Osteopathic medicine and I am planning on doing a NMM fellowship after residency because I believe in it, but they should have a clue if they are going to represent us.

I graduated from a small liberal arts college with a Bachelor of Arts degree. Normally that is indicated by the letters BA, but my school gives the initials AB to represent the Latin whatever. So I have an AB degree. Even though it is a Bachelor of Arts degree, it looks like an Associates degree on paper. Who gives a flying rats ass? Did the state have to spend years in legislation changing laws and so forth in order for me to be recognized as a college graduate with an AB degree? ***k no. Again, the degree has already changed and it caused no problems. Changing the initials that represent the degree is also not problematic.

My issue is this; if you want to be a dentist, get a DDS or DMD degree. There is a D for doctor and a D for dentistry. If you want to be a veterinarian, get a DVM or VMD degree, there is a D for doctor and a V for veterinary, and even an M for medicine, they are just re-arranged. Podiatrists, whose scope of practice is more limited than ours, get to have an M in their degree initials, but we don't.

I don't want MD behind my name, because I do believe that Osteopathic education is a little different and that should be reflected by the degree earned. However since the degree earned IS Doctor of Osteopathic MEDICINE, put a ***king M in it somewhere.

I would understand if they had just said no to changing the initials, I would accept that, but they said no to a degree change that has already happened. I am not bitter at all, just shocked at the collective lack of attention to detail on the part of our leadership.
 
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I have been on the fence about this degree change ever since I first learned about osteopathic medicine and the slight stigma attached to it. Yes, there are going to be people who think less of a D.O. because people buy into advertising and propaganda and if you aren't a household name, people are going to be skeptical. However, I don't think it's any mystery that people are seeking out alternative, holistic practioners for their ailments. And yes, DOs definition of holistic is not the same as the publics, and we don't want to be labeled as guru's, quacks, etc. But, who cares if the nomenclature doesn't line up, as long as people are willing to take a risk on you. Once they're through your doors, you let the product or service do the talking and not what the critics say.

Every premed, med student who wants the degree change bascially wants recognition because they buy every word that western medicine is the end all, be all of medicine in the world, and basically MD signifies that. Fine. Can't change some mindsets. However, I bet these same people have never had a chronic condition that allopathic medicine couldn't alleviate.

Take me for example. I have been getting migraines for about the past 12 years, daily. Not painful, throbbing migraines, but migraines that cause dull pressure in my head, affect my cognition and speech, make me irritable, and basically make me want to isolate myself from the entire world EVERY DAY. I have had the medical armada of tests, drugs, allergy shots, to combat them, and they never get any better. I want to be an orthopedic surgeon, and I worry that if they never get better, I will not be a stellar surgeon. Recently, however, I have been studying much more on my own regarding migraines, and I am finding out that basically my diet has been one of the sole triggers, and as soon as I started eliminating all the processed foods, caffeine, and alcohol, my head has felt much better, even to the point where I go a day without the suffering. This is just a component, but my point is that no western physician has really taken the time to try and root out the cause, except for the allopathic standard of care.

Now, I'm not saying there are not some MDs who practice like this, there are, but with a DO you already have that niche of the market, whether or not it is specifically set in the curriculum, such as my case. So, I say even though the initials are staying the same, as far as I know, we should embrace and promote it as much as we can, even though there is most likely always going to be a wall of resistance. And for those of you who think I've drank too much of the kool-aid, you're right. But guess what, its' been helping.
 
That is dependent on particular physicians whoever was talking about the migraines.

For a while there I was getting them rather bad, blindness, numbness, and severe pain for 8+ hours, almost unbearable. I saw my doctor (a neurologist M.D.) which i was seeing for other reasons and she did not recommend tons of tests or medications.

The first thing she asked was unusual questions about diet, followed be other inquiries into possible causes.

It wasn't until a few visits in that she gave me some sample packs of migraine medicine, which she cautioned me that they werent so fun themselves.

Needless to say,

The DO degree isn't some last refuge for practical humanistic holistic, caring, and common sense medicine.

MDs have taken the few good points Osteopaths brought to the table,
DOs have taken alot from MDs, (original osteopathy was quite a bit different then it is now).

Both degrees average out to ~ equal. DOs have OMM though, which can barely be proven (not that i am downplaying it, just not as much research as other modalities).
 
DannMann99 said:
That is dependent on particular physicians whoever was talking about the migraines.
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Seriously dude, I posted right above you.:rolleyes: Thanks for the history lesson, but regurgitating what anyone can read on SDN or learn from one DO class is hardly a convincing counterargument. And I never said that DOs should be a last resort effort, they should be the first, and will hopefully be to a greater degree as more people are turning to practitioners who are promoted as taking a mind, body, spirit approach to health care and prevention whether they actually do or not. My point is that DOs have a unique opportunity with the way they've been marketed that is slowly beginning to merge with a growing public view that thinks likewise.
 
Buckeye4life said:
Seriously dude, I posted right above you.:rolleyes: Thanks for the history lesson, but regurgitating what anyone can read on SDN or learn from one DO class is hardly a convincing counterargument. And I never said that DOs should be a last resort effort, they should be the first, and will hopefully be to a greater degree as more people are turning to practitioners who are promoted as taking a mind, body, spirit approach to health care and prevention whether they actually do or not. My point is that DOs have a unique opportunity with the way they've been marketed that is slowly beginning to merge with a growing public view that thinks likewise.
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Good. So this stupid thread can finally die now and people can actually worry about practicing medicine and saving lives. If you can't get into an MD school, then you can either settle for the DO and stop whining or not be a doctor at all. End of story.
 
J1515 said:
Good. So this stupid thread can finally die now and people can actually worry about practicing medicine and saving lives. If you can't get into an MD school, then you can either settle for the DO and stop whining or not be a doctor at all. End of story.
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Why do you continue to read/post in this thread if it pisses you off so much? By posting, you just bumped it to the top of the forum.
 
WHEREAS, if a new degree were to be established, it would still require a costly campaign to
re-educate the public, federal and state officials, managed care organizations, hospitals
and many other entities about the new nomenclature; now, therefore be it
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Costly campaign to re-educate the public? How about we don't change the DO designation, and instead we spend some cash on educating the public currently on what a DO is.

I want to see a DO on Grey's Anatomy darn-it!


Dont we have any DO's who received a degree in marketing, hook us up and drop some knowledge on the public!

Anyone up for some type of viral advertising campaign? We need a "My new haircut" for DO's, or how about that Numa Numa kid, can we hire him?
 
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DannMann99 said:
DOs have taken alot from MDs, (original osteopathy was quite a bit different then it is now).
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Well... it looks like the Naturopaths want in on the game now as well. They are pushing for PCP rights in states across the country. Referring to themselves as "Physicians", referring ND school as "medical school", claiming that they take the same medical sciences in the first 2 years as MD and DO students, they now are taking licensing exams (NPLEX), creating residencies in Family practice, and board certification, etc.

http://www.naturopathic.org/

http://www.aanmc.org/

http://www.cnme.org/

Family Physicians (Naturopaths)

http://www.drsadilek.com/

http://www.naturopathicfamilymedicine.com/drtami.htm

http://www.bnfm.com/



What Is A Naturopathic Doctor? (http://www.hopewellmedicine.com/naturopathic.php)

Naturopathic doctors (ND) are taught at four-year, graduate-level, accredited medical schools, where they are trained as primary care providers. Naturopathic doctors receive similar basic education in the diagnostic and clinical sciences as medical doctors (MD), with additional training in a wide spectrum of scientifically-based natural therapies. Naturopathic doctors are specialists in the prevention of disease, and in optimizing wellness. Naturopathic doctors diagnose by taking thorough histories, by performing physical exams, and by laboratory testing.



We all know MD = DO.. but it looks like in the near future we may see (MD = DO = ND) and possibly in the field of Family Medicine we may see (MD = DO = ND = DNP). It looks like they are trying follow in the footsteps of the Osteopathy (Osteopathic medicine). Just like Osteopathic Med achieved equivalency with MDs in the US in the 1960s. NDs seem to want this to happen for Naturopathy (hmm.. sorry, I mean Naturopathic Physicians).


I wouldn't be surprised if they started lobbying the WHO/Faimer to be listed as medical schools.. and in 10-15 years started to create their own plastic surgery, Derm, Optho, Rads residencies too.

Thoughts?
 
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If they receive the same trainings and follow the same set of standards as MD/DOs then I don't see a problem with it.

I can see how each discipline brings something different to the healthcare table. MDs with their research, DOs with their own research + OMM, ND with their CAM and other integrative medical techniques, and DNP (...well i still haven't figured out what they would bring).
 
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I think that if this type of thing continues to proliferate, then there has to be a unification of the degrees down the line. I don't think it's necessary to convert DO - MD, DO or OMD, or MDO at this time, however, if all of these mid level and emerging doctorate programs continue to spring up they are only going to fragment medicine more than it needs to be. If there ends up being 4 or 5 different equivalent degrees, it's just plain silly. They should be unified under one title and then given a separate title to acknowledge their other training. Or there should be one title with subspecialites that medical students and doctors can study (Naturopathy, Osteopathy, Allopathy, Etc, Etc..)
 
"Naturopathic medicine is primary care medicine with a holistic approach and an emphasis on natural therapies. The goal of naturopathic medicine is to facilitate the body's abilities to heal itself. Toward that goal, naturopathic doctors treat patients as active participants in their health care, and help empower patients to reach and maintain optimum health. Naturopathic medical practice focuses on each patient as an individual, treating underlying causes of illness in addition to relieving symptoms, in order to recover and maintain lasting wellness. Naturopathic medicine addresses the whole person--mind, body, and spirit--to find the safest, least invasive, effective treatments necessary to correct health problems."

From http://www.hopewellmedicine.com/naturopathic.php

Sounds like a page right out of Osteopathic Medicine, Huh?
 
metalmd06 said:
I think that if this type of thing continues to proliferate, then there has to be a unification of the degrees down the line. I don't think it's necessary to convert DO - MD, DO or OMD, or MDO at this time, however, if all of these mid level and emerging doctorate programs continue to spring up they are only going to fragment medicine more than it needs to be. If there ends up being 4 or 5 different equivalent degrees, it's just plain silly. They should be unified under one title and then given a separate title to acknowledge their other training. Or there should be one title with subspecialites that medical students and doctors can study (Naturopathy, Osteopathy, Allopathy, Etc, Etc..)
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Some Universities have retained their unique titles as a way of distinguishing themselves and their graduates, and has become in some circles considered more prestigious.

For example:

McGill Medical school graduates receive a (MDCM) degree.
Cambridge Medical school graduates recieve a (MBBChir) degree.

both retain some form of the word "chirurgiae" in the degree title which is Latin for surgery.

A lot of places have traditions that won't easily be changed.
 
I appreicate the differences in the degrees and I understand the difficulty involved in altering tradition. However, this Naturopathic Medicine seems like an insincere offshoot of osteopathic medicine that is just trying to corner an area of the healthcare market.

Maybe Naturopathic Medicine isn't a bad thing. We do have a physician shortage and it focuses on primary care. But it seems to me that licensed NDs like Dr. Sadilek, according to his web page, don't do anything different than other physicians. NDs seem like they are trying to make uniqueness out of similarity. Doesn't make sense:

"Natural medicines & therapies are integrated with conventional treatments to strengthen the body rather than suppress the symptoms. Dr. Sadilek uses the following therapies to individualize your path to vitality & wellness:​
  • Hormonal Replacement Therapy (thyroid, estrogen, progesterone, testosterone)​
  • Nutraceuticals (vitamins and minerals)​
  • Botanicals (herbs)​
  • Cognitive Enhancement Medications (memory improvement)​
  • Pharmaceuticals (prescriptions)​
  • IV Therapy (immune, chelation)​
  • Intramuscular Injections"​
From http://www.drsadilek.com/

Also, he has an advertisment for a pill box/cutter on his home page! It just seems like people are trying to find new and convincing ways to call themselves Dr. or say, I am a physician. I'm just not convinced, yet.​
 
Dr.Millisevert said:
Well... it looks like the Naturopaths want in on the game now as well. They are pushing for PCP rights in states across the country. Referring to themselves as "Physicians", referring ND school as "medical school", claiming that they take the same medical sciences in the first 2 years as MD and DO students, they now are taking licensing exams (NPLEX), creating residencies in Family practice, and board certification, etc.
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Oh this is just great. My worst fear is that a naturopathic "physician" is going to screw up big time, and the media is going to say "Always make sure your doctor is an MD!" (And I am positive they would not add "or DO" to the end of that statement, because throughout the last fifty years they still don't know what a DO is).
 
It seems like NDs only have full licensure in a handful of states as of yet. What bothers me the most is that, in the example of Dr. Sadilek, he didn't have any residency training to speak of (or if he did, it wasn't on his website). It does say that he completed an intensive internship in internal medicine and his post graduate studies include myriad specialties. It seems to me that he is a good doctor. He has been practicing for 25 years. However, I'm not sure this is the norm.
 
metalmd06 said:
What bothers me the most is that, in the example of Dr. Sadilek, he didn't have any residency training to speak of (or if he did, it wasn't on his website).

He has been practicing for 25 years. However, I'm not sure this is the norm.
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Well.. they are currently developing and opening residencies for NDs. It is a relatively new thing. So the guys on the websites now might not have them.
 
Chiropractors are now called chiropractic physicians and the degree they earn (now accredited) is the doctor of chiropractic medicine. I foresee that when the physician shortage is in full swing, chiropractors will get bumped up. In some states, they are already considered primary care providers (not prescribers) for insurance purposes. DNP is great as long as they don't gain an unlimited scope of practice (just my opinion 'cuz I think the nursing model is really weird).
 
amindwalker said:
Chiropractors are now called chiropractic physicians and the degree they earn (now accredited) is the doctor of chiropractic medicine. I foresee that when the physician shortage is in full swing, chiropractors will get bumped up. In some states, they are already considered primary care providers (not prescribers) for insurance purposes. DNP is great as long as they don't gain an unlimited scope of practice (just my opinion 'cuz I think the nursing model is really weird).
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And you think this is a good thing? Is this the kind of model health care you want for our country?

Nurses, Chriopractors, and Naturopaths as the Family Physicians of the 21st century. Awesome!

Only in the US :rolleyes:
 
Seriously, What's next? PaD (physician's assistant doctor)? DMa (doctor of Medical Assisting)? I understand that the chriopractic degree is a doctorate but they are NOT physicians. Geez.
 
metalmd06 said:
Seriously, What's next? PaD (physician's assistant doctor)?
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No joke.. I've actually heard of something like this being suggested as a way to stay competative with NPs who now have their DNP degree.
 
Dr.Millisevert said:
Some Universities have retained their unique titles as a way of distinguishing themselves and their graduates, and has become in some circles considered more prestigious.

For example:

McGill Medical school graduates receive a (MDCM) degree.
Cambridge Medical school graduates recieve a (MBBChir) degree.

both retain some form of the word "chirurgiae" in the degree title which is Latin for surgery.

A lot of places have traditions that won't easily be changed.
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I'm suspecting that the University of Phoenix Online School of Naturopaths and Nurse Practitioners is perhaps a bit less set in their ways than Cambridge.
 
Dr.Millisevert said:
And you think this is a good thing? Is this the kind of model health care you want for our country?

Nurses, Chriopractors, and Naturopaths as the Family Physicians of the 21st century. Awesome!

Only in the US :rolleyes:
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No, I think it is a bad thing.
 
Dr.Millisevert said:
Well... it looks like the Naturopaths want in on the game now as well. They are pushing for PCP rights in states across the country. Referring to themselves as "Physicians", referring ND school as "medical school", claiming that they take the same medical sciences in the first 2 years as MD and DO students, they now are taking licensing exams (NPLEX), creating residencies in Family practice, and board certification, etc.

http://www.naturopathic.org/

http://www.aanmc.org/

http://www.cnme.org/

Family Physicians (Naturopaths)

http://www.drsadilek.com/

http://www.naturopathicfamilymedicine.com/drtami.htm

http://www.bnfm.com/



What Is A Naturopathic Doctor? (http://www.hopewellmedicine.com/naturopathic.php)

Naturopathic doctors (ND) are taught at four-year, graduate-level, accredited medical schools, where they are trained as primary care providers. Naturopathic doctors receive similar basic education in the diagnostic and clinical sciences as medical doctors (MD), with additional training in a wide spectrum of scientifically-based natural therapies. Naturopathic doctors are specialists in the prevention of disease, and in optimizing wellness. Naturopathic doctors diagnose by taking thorough histories, by performing physical exams, and by laboratory testing.



We all know MD = DO.. but it looks like in the near future we may see (MD = DO = ND) and possibly in the field of Family Medicine we may see (MD = DO = ND = DNP). It looks like they are trying follow in the footsteps of the Osteopathy (Osteopathic medicine). Just like Osteopathic Med achieved equivalency with MDs in the US in the 1960s. NDs seem to want this to happen for Naturopathy (hmm.. sorry, I mean Naturopathic Physicians).


I wouldn't be surprised if they started lobbying the WHO/Faimer to be listed as medical schools.. and in 10-15 years started to create their own plastic surgery, Derm, Optho, Rads residencies too.

Thoughts?
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More Naturopath shenanigans:

http://www.anma.com/cnme.html

"In a sworn deposition on August 2nd, 1995, the (then) president of the American Association of Naturopathic Physicians (AANP), when asked about minor surgery, declared vasectomies preformed by naturopathic doctors to be a minor surgical procedure. He stated, that vasectomies fall within the scope of naturopathic practice. When asked if this procedure is taught at National College, he said, I don't know. When this naturopath was asked about other surgeries he admitted doing hemorrhoid operations, "sewing" of laceration, skin biopsies varicotomies and electrocautery of warts. He declared breast implants to be a relatively simple procedure."

The College of Naturopathic Medicine and Surgery, Inc.
http://www.cscidaho.com/

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14367101

Minor Surgery (http://www.naturodoc.com/cardinal/naturopathy/nat_principles.htm)
As general practitioners, naturopathic physicians do in-office minor surgery, including repair of superficial wounds, removal of foreign bodies, cysts, and other superficial masses. We refer to surgeons when their skills are needed for our patient's wellbeing.

Minor surgery. (http://www.drpelletier.com/TBAM/excerpts/150-Treaments_of_Nat.html)Naturopaths are trained to perform a variety of minor surgical techniques (which are done in the office under local anesthesia), such as superficial wound repair, removal of foreign masses, sclerosing therapy for spider and varicose veins, minor hemorrhoid surgery, circumcision, and the setting of fractures. ...Naturopathic methods have also been used successfully in the treatment of cancer. Thousands of patients have reported astonishing recoveries from cancer using naturopathic methods, such as fasting, therapeutic diet, hydrotherapy, herbal formulas, and other health-building techniques that stimulate immunity. However, naturopaths are often reluctant to publicize such successes because in many states only allopaths are allowed to treat cancer.

http://whatstheharm.net/naturopathy.html

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/02/13/1076548205730.html

http://www.wellbrightllc.com/naturopath.html

Dr. Christa Lamothe, ND (Dermatologist)
http://www.naturopathicdermatology.com/why.shtml

http://notes.kateva.org/2008/06/minnesota-naturopaths-can-order-mris.html

http://www.naturowatch.org/licensure/laws.shtml

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_of_Naturopathic_Medicine

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naturopathic_medical_school

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naturopathy

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primary_care_physician

(I don't know what the wiki pages say, but I did notice that they tend to get changed back and forth quite frequently... with people posting that they are "physicians", that they attend "medical school", and that they can perform surgery.)
 
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Some of that stuff is just absolutely ridiculous. I don't understand how people believe they can get away with **** like that. Hulda Clark? She's got to be one of the most dangerous people in the world.
 
It'sElectric said:
I don't go to the dental boards, but I'm pretty sure they don't have a weekly thread dedicated to the DDS students advocating for a change to DMD or DDMD, or DDSDDFSEFDJKL.
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Actually we do have both DDS and DMD.
 
You heard right. DDS is far superior to DMD. :)

We're pushing for GDS however...Gods of Dental Surgery to distinguish ourselves.

Good debate though. 8 pages based on a letter change. Keep it coming.
 
Ah, read some of the posts about naturopaths, and all your other million mid-level providers. Damn, don't look forward to this happening in dentistry, yet I'm sure it will. We actually just fought a new group of hygienists lobbying for greater autonomy and to perform unsupervised surgery in MN.

Basically we just stalled the quacks, but they'll be back.

Anyhow, my wife is in osteopathic medical school. She thinks OMM in itself doesn't really warrant a different title in the medical arena to begin with. Basically she feels OMM is a good anatomical review for board exams and that's about it. But, she loves her school and thinks she's getting a great education. That's all that matters to her...not the letters.

Everyone wants a piece of the pie and they want as much as they can, while at the same time investing as little as they can. They do this by coming up with fancy little names for themselves just like A.T Still did 100 years or so ago. Granted, Mr. Still made valid points and his intentions were good, but the dumb***** should have just opened up another medical school and integrated his beliefs and techniques there without changing the entire nomenclature.

All this was bound to happen with the rising costs of health care. With prices nowadays, I really can't blame people for seeking out cheaper alternatives. Can you?

To be honest, we did all this to ourselves...got too greedy.
 
KOM said:
Good debate though. 8 pages based on a letter change. Keep it coming.
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Really makes our profession look happy and secure, right? :rolleyes:
 
This debate about a degree change was a "hot topic" in the early 80's when I attended KCUMB. The topic comes up every decade or so and then recedes. It did not happen then,will not happen now, and should not happen ever. It's good in the sense it gives young Osteopathic students a chance to vent their energy and frustration in a positive fashion. The old maxum that "the only thing new under the stars is the history you don' know" is quite accurate.
 
Why not just give people the option to choose which title they want? Shouldn't be a problem, if they want to consider the two degrees truly equivalent. That would make everyone happy.

If doctors are trained in OMM, regardless of whether they went to an osteopathic or allopathic school, give them the option to take on the DO title. And to people who have graduated from osteopathic school, give them the option to use the MD title, if they don't believe in using OMM for whatever reason and would prefer not to be associated with it.

I'm just taking a study break, so I didn't really read any of the earlier posts. Sorry if this has been suggested.
 
J1515 said:
Good. So this stupid thread can finally die now and people can actually worry about practicing medicine and saving lives. If you can't get into an MD school, then you can either settle for the DO and stop whining or not be a doctor at all. End of story.
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Agreed.

If your grades/MCAT aren't high enough to get into medical school, go to DO school. You'll still be able to do primary care and you will be a doctor.

But please, you can't be serious about being called MD's.

Where does it stop? DO's, nurses, chiropractors? I can't wait for the day when the janitor mopping the OR floor has an MD behind his name.
 
jumpingjax said:
Agreed.

If your grades/MCAT aren't high enough to get into medical school, go to DO school. You'll still be able to do primary care and you will be a doctor.

But please, you can't be serious about being called MD's.

Where does it stop? DO's, nurses, chiropractors? I can't wait for the day when the janitor mopping the OR floor has an MD behind his name.
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Get this, DO SCHOOL IS MEDICAL SCHOOL. You can do any specialty as a DO. But I think you know that, troll.

Name one thing that you learn that we don't. I know something you've never learned is how to have any discernible amount of class.
 
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jumpingjax said:
Agreed.

If your grades/MCAT aren't high enough to get into medical school, go to DO school. You'll still be able to do primary care and you will be a doctor.

But please, you can't be serious about being called MD's.

Where does it stop? DO's, nurses, chiropractors? I can't wait for the day when the janitor mopping the OR floor has an MD behind his name.
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ROFL, you're such an assbag troll. Trying not to feed you, as I'm reporting your post/getting you banned, but it's just too absurd my 'resident' friend.
 
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