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It's anonymous forum and I no longer work there...
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Dear Surgery Residents: go %&$# yourselves. Sincerely, MS3
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You're missing my point.
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That is not a paper, that is an editorial by some aggrieved nurse who managed to poop it into some "journal" that was willing to accept whatever horses*it that it was given. I cringe at the fact that the NCBI put that garbage into PMC.
Next thing... Thoracicguy is an attending. You are a medical student. God, I would really like to see you say that to him in person. I'm sure it would end spectacularly.
You know... there was a core rotation (not going to name which one because I have class) that I intensely disliked. I didn't find it particularly relevant to my chosen specialty and I really didn't mesh with the personalities. But at the same time, I respected what they did. Despite my lack of enjoyment on the rotation I really worked to find certain pieces that I enjoyed and that I could use in the future. And I did. I got better at a commonly used thing both in this specialty and my own. I showed up to work every day. I learned what I could but also appreciated that after a couple months, I would never deal with it again. I went home. Studied a little bit. Had a nice big scotch if it was a particularly annoying day. Went to bed. Repeated for 60 of the 30,000 or so days of my life.
You know what I didn't do? I didn't go online and create and/or perpetuate an entire thread telling residents in that specialty to go **** themselves. I didn't call them all monsters. I sat back and understood that I had a substantially different personality than the dominant one in that specialty/culture. I may or may not have rolled my eyes on occasion, but I sure as **** didn't whine constantly about how mean they were. I got my work done, got what I could out of the rotation and moved the f*** on.
What ever happened to testicular/ovarian fortitude?
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Amazing people are using every excuse in the book to defend bad behavior and bullies...
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Yes yes we know you were the perfect med student who dont even bitch but just licks ass
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I did my general surgery at a large program. Yes, there were some bad residents. Yes, some were mean to students and younger residents. Yes, there were some bad attendings as well. But that was the minority. In my fellowship training and in my jobs, those are always in the minority. Unless you are in an academic setting and you have no control over who you refer to, if you act horribly towards other doctors, nurses, NP/PAs, etc, you will not get referrals. If you don't get referrals, you don't eat. That tends to stop bad attitudes quickly.
As for students, I'd like to see some students put alot more effort into the rotation besides asking if they could leave as soon as the clock hits 5 pm... Those students that were involved and at least feigned interest? I and others went out of our way to work with them. Even if they weren't interested in surgery as a career, there was something they could pick up from the rotation that was useful.
Some of you special snowflakes whine that someone was mean at you or didn't appreciate you. Or they didn't speak gently and made you feel unsafe... Resident are not there to coddle you. You are adults, act like it.
As for students, I'd like to see some students put alot more effort into the rotation besides asking if they could leave as soon as the clock hits 5 pm... Those students that were involved and at least feigned interest? I and others went out of our way to work with them. Even if they weren't interested in surgery as a career, there was something they could pick up from the rotation that was useful.
Some of you special snowflakes whine that someone was mean at you or didn't appreciate you. Or they didn't speak gently and made you feel unsafe... Resident are not there to coddle you. You are adults, act like it.
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So, your problems with the junior were a matter of miscommunication because you didn't understand his sense of humor? That's unfortunate.
Most people don't have nearly as thick of a skin as they think they do.
Any med student? Really?
I didn't. Many of my friends - even dedicated medicine peeps - didn't. A bit of constructive criticism for everyone would be to not have biased and unfounded opinions of the future specialists one rotates without having worked with them before. Again, really sorry you had a rough rotation; I found that my attitude about rotations influenced a lot.
Some surgeons are jerks. (Some med students are bigger jerks.) There is no "surgeons attitude" that is universal.
And I'll be honest - from your posts sounds like you are at an East Cost DO program. I think your location and program are heavily influencing the social milieu you experienced. Again, believe me, the majority of surgeons and programs are not like that. Consider this your invitation to come to the beautiful midwest and find out!
