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Oops... I forgot that a 15 minute delay for birth control means that your chest opens up and your heart falls out...

Seriously though, nobody is disputing that refusing life-saving urgent care or inflicting bodily harm (ie. the very enlightening satanist comment) on patients is wrong. What is up for discussion is whether or not health care professionals should be able to use their moral and ethical compasses (obviously taking professional responsibility into consideration is a part of that ethical compass... ie. transferring the script politely, without judgment or sermons). Shoot, I wonder what our country would look like right now if individuals at certain financial/mortgage/insurance firms would have used their moral compasses instead of "doing as they were told" by their boards of directors?

I'd avoid retail if I were you, OP. But if not, I'll be more than happy to take all the birth control scripts from you and those that want to transfer them to me (especially if I were to own my own pharmacy :D).
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a runner said:
Oops... I forgot that a 15 minute delay for birth control means that your chest opens up and your heart falls out...

Seriously though, nobody is disputing that refusing life-saving urgent care or inflicting bodily harm (ie. the very enlightening satanist comment) on patients is wrong. What is up for discussion is whether or not health care professionals should be able to use their moral and ethical compasses (obviously taking professional responsibility into consideration is a part of that ethical compass... ie. transferring the script politely, without judgment or sermons). Shoot, I wonder what our country would look like right now if individuals at certain financial/mortgage/insurance firms would have used their moral compasses instead of "doing as they were told" by their boards of directors?

I'd avoid retail if I were you, OP. But if not, I'll be more than happy to take all the birth control scripts from you and those that want to transfer them to me (especially if I were to own my own pharmacy :D).
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Of course, if there is another pharmacist on duty, it is absolutely OK to ask him/her to dispense whatever drug you are morally opposed to. But, if you are the only one on duty, you have a moral obligation to serve your patient, regardless of your own moral or religious beliefs. In that case, you have absolutely NO right to impose your own religious beliefs onto the patient and refuse to fill a prescription just because YOU do not believe in it.
 
I still believe you should e-mail an admissions adviser in whatever school you're interested in to see what they can do about 4th year rotations to avoid retail and just tell them that you wish to specialize in something else.

I understand that you not wanting to come across this situation at all means that you won't have to refuse to fill BC prescription, etc.

I still encourage pharmacy school because it will be a shame to move away from it due to your beliefs. My plan of action would be to e-mail an admissions adviser of various catholic schools or just regular pharmacy school to see what they can do about 4th year rotations. Then, I would apply and after graduation, I would just go into a specialized field.

You could do veterinary pharmacy! I don't think they give bc pills to animals.. but then again.. I don't know if pharmacists have anything to do with providing material to spay and neuter a pet... But it's really fun! There are many fields in pharmacy that do not deal with BC.
 
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OP: As a fellow Catholic, I HIGHLY suggest that you get off your high horse and pick another field...a field where you don't have to deal with patients and counsel them or criticize them for their personal decisions.
 
Hi I'm not sure if anyones else mentioned this, as I did not read all of the posts. anyway there is a Pharmacy School in San Antonio, TX that is a Catholic School, Fiek at the University of Incarnate Word. Try contacting them and see if they have an suggestions or support for the Catholic students in the same dilemma.
 
a runner said:
Oops... I forgot that a 15 minute delay for birth control means that your chest opens up and your heart falls out...

Seriously though, nobody is disputing that refusing life-saving urgent care or inflicting bodily harm (ie. the very enlightening satanist comment) on patients is wrong. What is up for discussion is whether or not health care professionals should be able to use their moral and ethical compasses (obviously taking professional responsibility into consideration is a part of that ethical compass... ie. transferring the script politely, without judgment or sermons). Shoot, I wonder what our country would look like right now if individuals at certain financial/mortgage/insurance firms would have used their moral compasses instead of "doing as they were told" by their boards of directors?

I'd avoid retail if I were you, OP. But if not, I'll be more than happy to take all the birth control scripts from you and those that want to transfer them to me (especially if I were to own my own pharmacy :D).
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Eh. What about Plan B, which is VERY time-dependent? I live in a small town. If my pharmacy refused to fill, I would have to drive to another town and then wait in line there to get it - overall around an hour. That could be the difference.

If I was refused plan B, had to do that and then got pregnant anyways, I would absolutely sue the pharmacist.
 
dreezy10 said:
Why does everyone keep using stories of the "abusive pharmacist/doctor" that won't give treatment because of their beliefs. Are there any real examples of this???
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Physicians have refused to threat HIV patients that were homosexual. Pharmacists have refused contraception, and even have refused ADHD medications. Criminal charges have been filed against pharmacists who not only refused to fill a script for BCP, but also refused to hand back the script to be filled elsewhere.

It's a major fight out there in the real world, laws are being passed in either direction very specifically to either allow or disallow personal faith decisions.
 
Regnvejr said:
Criminal charges have been filed against pharmacists who not only refused to fill a script for BCP, but also refused to hand back the script to be filled elsewhere.
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I consider that theft, that's just ******ed.
 
This is actually pretty funny. Simply put: Do not put forth the effort of becoming a pharmacist if you are not going to give 100% to your customers/patients.

From 1995 to 2002, the percentage of American women who said they received contraceptive services rose from 36 percent to 41 percent, according to Jennifer J. Frost, a senior research associate at the Guttmacher Institute in New York City, and author of the survey report published in the October issue of the American Journal of Public Health.
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So you would refuse service to 41% of women who came to your pharmacy? Refusal to do your job because of personal beliefs? In my line of work, refusal to do your job, dereliction of duty is a punishable offense. To be an effective pharmacist you need to be able to do your job 100% of the time and not hold your own beliefs above your duty as a health care professional. Judging by the statistics, you will most definitely come into contact with many customers filling contraception scripts. If I were a pharmacist working with you, I'd be extremely annoyed having to drop what I'm doing to hand (and I would because it would be my duty) a prescription to a woman who was on the pill every single time the situation arose.

This would be like being a "Catholic" doctor working at Planned Parenthood.
 
Okay - Proponents for refusing birth control and exercising religion in the pharmacy strongly believe that they have the constitutional right to do so. In this country, freedom of religion applies to any religion - christians, jews, muslims including satanists. Under that same reasoning, we would have satanists exercising their moral beliefs in a pharmacy. That was my point with that satanist comment. If any pharmacist is allowed to exercise any religion in a pharmacy, then **** is bound to happen.

In other words, I don't care if anyone's had a religious upbringing or their faith give them morals, that's a personal affair and should not be mixed with your job. I think a pharmacist who refuses to dispense BC based on their religious morals should have their license immediately taken away. You practice faith in a house of worship and you practice pharmacy in a pharmacy. period.

I just think it's interesting how people would be so quick to say "no, absolutely not" to a satanic pharmacist and coddle an aspiring christian pharmacist.
 
Carboxide said:
Eh. What about Plan B, which is VERY time-dependent? I live in a small town. If my pharmacy refused to fill, I would have to drive to another town and then wait in line there to get it - overall around an hour. That could be the difference.

If I was refused plan B, had to do that and then got pregnant anyways, I would absolutely sue the pharmacist.
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Were you that lady who called 911 because mcdonald's was out of chicken nuggets???

Same reasoning.. pharmacies are private businesses. It is not your right to have a pharmacy at your fingertips, always available. What if the pharmacy decided it was not cost effective to carry a certain drug because of the size and demographics of a town? Or if they were closed on the weekends? Or the night time? What if there was a fire in the pharmacy, or that pharmacy went out of business the day before? What if they were fresh out of plan B? Are you going to sue the pharmacy then? I can even imagine someone suing a pharmacy because she got pregnant before plan B was invented and "they" didn't develop the drug fast enough.
 
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Jdario86 said:
In this country, freedom of religion applies to any religion - christians, jews, muslims including satanists. Under that same reasoning, we would have satanists exercising their moral beliefs in a pharmacy.
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Have you ever heard of "do no harm?" There is a difference between refusing to participate in something and actively harming someone as a satanist would do.

You make it sound like the OP is getting into pharmacy so he can set up a proselytization booth next to the pt counsel counter. Making moral/ethical decisions isn't "practicing faith", it is what every one of us does each time we make a decision. You cannot separate pharmacy from making ethical decisions. Everyone gets their moral compass from a different place...
 
a runner said:
Were you that lady who called 911 because mcdonald's was out of chicken nuggets???

Same reasoning.. pharmacies are private businesses. It is not your right to have a pharmacy at your fingertips, always available. What if the pharmacy decided it was not cost effective to carry a certain drug because of the size and demographics of a town? Or if they were closed on the weekends? Or the night time? What if there was a fire in the pharmacy, or that pharmacy went out of business the day before? What if they were fresh out of plan B? Are you going to sue the pharmacy then? I can even imagine someone suing a pharmacy because she got pregnant before plan B was invented and "they" didn't develop the drug fast enough.
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There's a BIG difference between not dispensing plan B because it's not cost effective etc. and not dispensing it because the pharmacist believes in a talking snake.
 
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a runner said:
Have you ever heard of "do no harm?" There is a difference between refusing to participate in something and actively harming someone as a satanist would do.

You make it sound like the OP is getting into pharmacy so he can set up a proselytization booth next to the pt counsel counter. Making moral/ethical decisions isn't "practicing faith", it is what every one of us does each time we make a decision. You cannot separate pharmacy from making ethical decisions. Everyone gets their moral compass from a different place...
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I'm also familiar with the Maimionides oath that every pharmacist should follow - where patient comes first, not personal religious convictions.

Pharmacists are still harming the patient if they refuse to dispense birth control based a religious beliefs. Refusing to dispense it because the pharmacist sees a potential contraindication is legitimate scientific reasoning. Refusing to do so because it's against their religion is based on faith, NOT scientific reasoning.

Please don't get me started on outlining the differences between ethics and religion again.
 
a runner said:
Have you ever heard of "do no harm?" There is a difference between refusing to participate in something and actively harming someone as a satanist would do.

You make it sound like the OP is getting into pharmacy so he can set up a proselytization booth next to the pt counsel counter. Making moral/ethical decisions isn't "practicing faith", it is what every one of us does each time we make a decision. You cannot separate pharmacy from making ethical decisions. Everyone gets their moral compass from a different place...
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I forgot about the sign posted at the counter of every pharmacy:

Dispensing of prescriptions based on personal beliefs of pharmacist on duty
 
WVUPharm2007 said:
What's the big deal? It's just a piece of paper. It's not like the service requested on it is lost forever. Unless its a C-II, tell the physicians' office what happened and have them call it in elsewhere...whoopity do.
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Venturing into the pre-pharm forum, huh? :p

Very true, but as a counter-argument: if I'm filling a script on a Friday evening, I wouldn't be able to call until Monday. This is highly inconvenient and a giant pain in the ass for me when I have a legitimate prescription. There's no reason that I should have to deal with that because some pharmacist has a stick up his ass about whether or not it's appropriate according to some religious text.

When we start seeing stem-cell drugs coming out in full force, I'll be interested as to whether Catholic pharmacists will dispense them.
 
Carboxide said:
Venturing into the pre-pharm forum, huh? :p

Very true, but as a counter-argument: if I'm filling a script on a Friday evening, I wouldn't be able to call until Monday. This is highly inconvenient and a giant pain in the ass for me when I have a legitimate prescription. There's no reason that I should have to deal with that because some pharmacist has a stick up his ass about whether or not it's appropriate according to some religious text.]
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Yeah, that might be a bitch. What if you are out of cash on Friday night? The bank ain't open until Monday. We could just have the cops open up the bank for you, too. The when they are looking, rob the place and run off. Hell yeah...
 
a runner said:
Have you ever heard of "do no harm?" There is a difference between refusing to participate in something and actively harming someone as a satanist would do.

You make it sound like the OP is getting into pharmacy so he can set up a proselytization booth next to the pt counsel counter. Making moral/ethical decisions isn't "practicing faith", it is what every one of us does each time we make a decision. You cannot separate pharmacy from making ethical decisions. Everyone gets their moral compass from a different place...
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On the contrary, it would be as if he were to choose an arbitrary stance on anything he wanted to and would base his job duties as such. Lets take prescription diet pills. I guess you are saying that he could look at the person with the prescription and say, "You know what? I'm not going to fill this prescription. I don't think you're overweight, so you don't need them." It is the patients CHOICE to take contraception and the PHARMACISTS JOB to fill the prescription, not make a choice as to whether or not somebody else should be able to have their physician prescribed medication. In essence, the pharmacist refusing to fill the prescription is forcing his religion upon the patient. Just because he doesn't believe in the pill does not give him the RIGHT to force those beliefs on someone else by preventing them from taking the pill.
 
rphfan2009 said:
OP: As a fellow Catholic, I HIGHLY suggest that you get off your high horse and pick another field...a field where you don't have to deal with patients and counsel them or criticize them for their personal decisions.
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+1 too.

I just love how the OP doesn't want us to judge him based on his religious beliefs but he has the right to judge others based on their non-beliefs. If someone strongly believes that people who're obese shouldn't be on so many medication and should hit the treadmill instead of popping so many pills, can he/she refuse to dispense?

OChemTA had referred to the cherry picking of the Bible and that is exactly what turned me away from religion. I say either follow it 100% or not at all.
 
WVUPharm2007 said:
Yeah, that might be a bitch. What if you are out of cash on Friday night? The bank ain't open until Monday. We could just have the cops open up the bank for you, too. The when they are looking, rob the place and run off. Hell yeah...
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That would be under my control - my fault. And there's always ATMs, checks, credit cards...other options. Not a good analogy.
 
Honestly, and as an atheist that hates religion, I have zero problem with a religious individual not dispensing something. I don't want the damned gov't telling me I am required to perform some service I'm not comfortable performing under any circumstance. Give them an inch, the sonsabitches'll take a mile. It's one of those situations where someone's rights get it in the ass either way. The right to the drug...or the right to personal freedom. The way I see it, you can go to another pharmacy a lot easier than you can ask a person to change their beliefs. F' it. I say let the religious crazies have this one.

I would say that perusing pharmacy would be ok for the OP. There are so many opportunities for a person to never have to be in the situation. Become a clinical specialist. Become a nuclear pharmacist. Work as a professor. Work in a call center for a PBM. Get into industry. Tons off opportunities outside of dispensing out there.
 
Carboxide said:
That would be under my control - my fault. And there's always ATMs, checks, credit cards...other options. Not a good analogy.
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Ah, hell, I wasn't being serious. Well...maybe we should have little notices on the pharmacies that say what services that do not perform. There, everyone wins.
 
WVUPharm2007 said:
What's the big deal? It's just a piece of paper. It's not like the service requested on it is lost forever. Unless its a C-II, tell the physicians' office what happened and have them call it in elsewhere...whoopity do.
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It's just annoying, if I hand you a piece of paper and you don't believe what's written on it, don't be a dickwad and refuse to give it back to me. It wasn't a gift.

It's like grabbing my shopping list while I'm at the grocery store...yeah, no big deal, but it's just annoying cuz i now gotta spend another 10 minutes remembering wtf to buy.
 
WVUPharm2007 said:
Honestly, and as an atheist that hates religion, I have zero problem with a religious individual not dispensing something. I don't want the damned gov't telling me I am required to perform some service I'm not comfortable performing under any circumstance. Give them an inch, the sonsabitches'll take a mile. It's one of those situations where someone's rights get it in the ass either way. The right to the drug...or the right to personal freedom. The way I see it, you can go to another pharmacy a lot easier than you can ask a person to change their beliefs. F' it. I say let the religious crazies have this one.

I would say that perusing pharmacy would be ok for the OP. There are so many opportunities for a person to never have to be in the situation. Become a clinical specialist. Become a nuclear pharmacist. Work as a professor. Work in a call center for a PBM. Get into industry. Tons off opportunities outside of dispensing out there.
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You say that now... until you're refused your medication by some Bible thumper because he doesn't believe in it.
 
ValeUC said:
You say that now... until you're refused your medication by some Bible thumper because he doesn't believe in it.
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Nah....honestly....I'd just go elsewhere. I just let people be. Don't want to do this...ok, you are a human with free will....f it. Now, I wouldn't come back, but I think its ****ed up to make other people conform to my ethics when there are several others that will with no pulling of teeth.
 
confettiflyer said:
It's like grabbing my shopping list while I'm at the grocery store...yeah, no big deal, but it's just annoying cuz i now gotta spend another 10 minutes remembering wtf to buy.
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The shopping list is a much bigger deal. It's not replaceable. A phone call replaced the script. The only thing I take is Advair...and if a dude refused to fill and kept my script, I'd just laugh it off and call my physician's office to tell them to call it in elsewhere. That so ridiculous that I hope it happens...
 
I've always been curious as to why physicians and pharmacists have problems with prescribing or dispensing birth control but have no issues dispensing erectile dysfunction drugs. Have you ever heard of a practitioner demanding if the male patient is married before allowing him to have his Viagra? If you're against dispensing birth control, it's my opinion that it's a bit hypocritical to dispense erectile dysfunction drugs, then. Dispensing an ED drug could lead to an unwanted pregnancy in a woman, which then may lead to an abortion, after all.

Someone (a scientist colleague of mine) tried to argue that erectile dysfunction drugs treated medical conditions, like men who were diabetic and infertile. But birth control was only used by women wanting to avoid pregnancy.

But, birth control treats many medical conditions, much more than ED drugs. I think many women are on them not just for birth control and are on them because their cycles are irregular. Some are on birth control continuously to treat conditions like PMS or pain during periods, to say nothing of women who take BC because of more serious problems like endometriosis (sp?). In fact, there are even women who are on BC so that they can become pregnant.

Oh, and to the people who say that they're troubled because teenagers are on BC, I'm sure several of those are on it to help control acne or because of the above problems. The responsible teens would want to use another form of birth control, like condoms, both to really ensure that they won't get pregnant and also to help prevent disease.
 
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FarscapeGirl said:
I've always been curious as to why physicians and pharmacists have problems with prescribing or dispensing birth control but have no issues dispensing erectile dysfunction drugs. Have you ever heard of a practitioner demanding if the male patient is married before allowing him to have his Viagra? If you're against dispensing birth control, it's my opinion that it's a bit hypocritical to dispense erectile dysfunction drugs, then. Dispensing an ED drug could lead to an unwanted pregnancy in a woman, which then may lead to an abortion, after all.

Someone (a scientist colleague of mine) tried to argue that erectile dysfunction drugs treated medical conditions, like men who were diabetic and infertile.

But, birth control treats many medical conditions, and I think many women are on them not just for birth coontrol. Some women are on them because their cycles are irregular. Some are on birth control continuously to treat conditions like PMS or pain during periods, to say nothing of women who take BC because of more serious problems like endometriosis (sp?). In fact, there are even women who are on BC so that they can become pregnant.

Oh, and to the people who say that they're troubled because teenagers are on BC, I'm sure several of those are on it to help control acne or because of the above problems. The responsible teens would want to use another form of birth control, like condoms, both to really ensure that they won't get pregnant and also to help prevent disease.
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Amen to that :thumbup:
 
WVUPharm2007 said:
The shopping list is a much bigger deal. It's not replaceable. A phone call replaced the script. The only thing I take is Advair...and if a dude refused to fill and kept my script, I'd just laugh it off and call my physician's office to tell them to call it in elsewhere. That so ridiculous that I hope it happens...
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Man what kinda good service do you get from your physician's office? If you're a pt on some state insurance, good luck trying to get a hold of that office. I'm just saying, some pt's don't have the luxury of getting a replacement script lickety-split. Sometimes it's like pulling teeth having the nurse/medical assistant walk to the fax machine and send it somewhere else.
 
confettiflyer said:
Man what kinda good service do you get from your physician's office? If you're a pt on some state insurance, good luck trying to get a hold of that office. I'm just saying, some pt's don't have the luxury of getting a replacement script lickety-split. Sometimes it's like pulling teeth having the nurse/medical assistant walk to the fax machine and send it somewhere else.
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It depends on the doctor. I worked last night and a patient with state insurance walked in with a script with no MD signature. Obviously, we don't fill it until it's signed.

The patient pulled out the MD's business card and I looked up the doctor's pager number in our hospital database. Patient says the child needs the heart medication, so I paged the MD without hesitation. Doctor kindly called back in a minute and the pharmacist took a verbal from him.

On the other side, there were times when doctors don't call back on the weekends. It all depends on the doctor...
 
Transformer said:
It depends on the doctor. I worked last night and a patient with state insurance walked in with a script with no MD signature. Obviously, we don't fill it until it's signed.

The patient pulled out the MD's business card and I looked up the doctor's pager number in our hospital database. Patient says the child needs the heart medication, so I paged the MD without hesitation. Doctor kindly called back in a minute and the pharmacist took a verbal from him.

On the other side, there were times when doctors don't call back on the weekends. In that case, we hunt for a resident doctor on duty. It all depends on the doctor...
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Transformer, what would you have done in the situation if the doctor didn't call back, and it was for something serious like a kid's heart medicine? I'm curious how these sorts of situations are handled.
 
FarscapeGirl said:
Transformer, what would you have done in the situation if the doctor didn't call back, and it was for something serious like a kid's heart medicine? I'm curious how these sorts of situations are handled.
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I would ask the patient some open ended questions. For example: Which clinic or hospital unit did you get your prescription from? Do you know your doctor's name? Do you know the Clinic's telephone or Fax numbers?

If the doctor does not respond to my pages, then, I would call the place where the script was written and find a doctor or resident doctor on call. (thank goodness I work in a hospital)

If the resident doctor has no idea what to do (this almost never happens) or I can't get anyone to help me (which is more likely to happen and it does happen a lot), then it's the pharmacist's Call on this one.

In this case, the MD signature is needed. What I think the pharmacist would do on the weekend with a pediatric patient with a heart condition is to leave a message with the clinic and make a note to call the clinic again on Monday for a verbal. In the meantime, check the patient's records and see if the patient has been on this medication before. If the patient has been on it in the past and the dose is the same, then we would give the patient a partial (2 to 3 days supply) and call the patient to pick up the rest when the verbal is taken on Monday.
 
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Transformer said:
I would ask the patient some open ended questions. For example: Which clinic or hospital unit did you get your prescription from? Do you know your doctor's name? Do you know the Clinic's telephone or Fax numbers?

If the doctor does not respond to my pages, then, I would call the place where the script was written and find a doctor or resident doctor on call. (thank goodness I work in a hospital)

If the resident doctor has no idea what to do (this almost never happens) or I can't get anyone to help me (which is more likely to happen and it does happen a lot), then it's the pharmacist's Call on this one.

In this case, the MD signature is needed. What I think the pharmacist would do on the weekend with a pediatric patient with a heart condition is to leave a message with the clinic and make a note to call the clinic again on Monday for a verbal. In the meantime, check the patient's records and see if the patient has been on this medication before. If the patient has been on it in the past and the dose is the same, then we would give the patient a partial (2 to 3 days supply) and call the patient to pick up the rest when the verbal is taken on Monday.
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great! this will be a good interview question but i guess u nailed it and deserve to be accepted.
 
bluesickle said:
+1 too.

I just love how the OP doesn't want us to judge him based on his religious beliefs but he has the right to judge others based on their non-beliefs. If someone strongly believes that people who're obese shouldn't be on so many medication and should hit the treadmill instead of popping so many pills, can he/she refuse to dispense?

OChemTA had referred to the cherry picking of the Bible and that is exactly what turned me away from religion. I say either follow it 100% or not at all.
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:)
 
The question I don't understand and hope someone can shed some light on:

- Isn't being compassionate and kind to others, one of the fundamentals of religion ? Something along the lines of: "do to others as you want done to yourself" - I'm translating from Russian, so forgive me the little discrepancies.
In light of that, how can someone religious refuse to fill someone's script or attend to a bed-ridden patient, or write a prescription for a patient who is HIV positive ? Isn't that going against humanity and humanity and kindness are the two fundamentals religious people seem to praise ?
 
Carboxide said:
Eh. What about Plan B, which is VERY time-dependent? I live in a small town. If my pharmacy refused to fill, I would have to drive to another town and then wait in line there to get it - overall around an hour. That could be the difference.

If I was refused plan B, had to do that and then got pregnant anyways, I would absolutely sue the pharmacist.
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Agreed. Its 2009 not 1899 Why are people still soooooo close minded?
 
a runner said:
Have you ever heard of "do no harm?" There is a difference between refusing to participate in something and actively harming someone as a satanist would do.

You make it sound like the OP is getting into pharmacy so he can set up a proselytization booth next to the pt counsel counter. Making moral/ethical decisions isn't "practicing faith", it is what every one of us does each time we make a decision. You cannot separate pharmacy from making ethical decisions. Everyone gets their moral compass from a different place...
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The OP is trying to stop all women from buying Plan B and taking birth control pills...if that isn't enforcing his close minded believes on other people then what is? :rolleyes:
 
Well if you're going by the premise that a zygote is fully equivalent to you and me (diploid), then it makes logical sense that preventing implantation is equivalent to locking me out of my apartment when it's 30 below outside and I die of hypothermia.

The issue is where one deems the "start of life" to have begun (which won't be answered in this thread, or ever). Both are steeped in science (diploid, birth), not just faith. So being against Plan B isn't necessarily a "closed minded" belief, there is a certain scientific logic behind it.
 
SHC1984 said:
The OP is trying to stop all women from buying Plan B and taking birth control pills...if that isn't enforcing his close minded believes on other people then what is? :rolleyes:
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The OP never said he wanted to prevent women from buying plan B/birth control. He just said he wants to avoid being a part of it. BIG difference.
 
I wonder if the OP/proponents ever been in the position of getting birth control/Plan B ? :confused:
 
I mean, define "give." As a retail pharmacist, you'd be slapping labels on boxes and scooting it down to your clerks to "give" to the patient.

And no one ever addressed the issue with indication and OC's, I'd like to hear an argument about that one.
 
wow...
this is sad
OP, i am christian and although i am not against BC, but i am pro-life, if after reading all the insults and you still want to do it then by God go for it.....only YOU know what is best for YOU, nobody else...

God bless you...and good luck:luck:
 
Lotus89 said:
wow...
this is sad
OP, i am christian and although i am not against BC, but i am pro-life, if after reading all the insults and you still want to do it then by God go for it.....only YOU know what is best for YOU, nobody else...

God bless you...and good luck:luck:
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Besides noticing the 'insults', have you addressed any of the valid questions raised above ?
 
a runner said:
The OP never said he wanted to prevent women from buying plan B/birth control. He just said he wants to avoid being a part of it. BIG difference.
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exactly...people need to learn to read...(or think for that matter)
 
cheburashka said:
Besides noticing the 'insults', have you addressed any of the valid questions raised above ?
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i said something pointed to the origninal question and that is all, i am not going to get into it with anyone because i believe what i believe
 
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