Cardiothoracic Surgery FAQ

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Until recently, the only pathway to becoming a cardiothoracic surgeon in the US was to complete a General Surgery residency, followed by a Cardiothoracic Surgery (CT Surg) fellowship.

Residency will take a minimum of 5 years - some residents choose to spend an additional 1-3 (or more) years in the basic science lab to bolster their CV with additional publications, abstracts, presentations, etc. Strong letters of recommendation can also often be garnered this way.

Following residency, fellowships tend to be 2-3 years long. Similarly to the ERAS system for matching into residency, there is a separate CT Surg match for fellowships.

In total, the training period takes at least 7-10 years.

However, recently there have been pilot programs around the country using the "integrated" approach (similar to Plastics and Vascular). One such example is at Washington University in St. Louis, where in 2006 one "fast-track" position was created with a "4+3" format (4 years of General Surgery, followed by 3 years of Cardiothoracic Surgery). Their website states that following this training, the graduate will be able to sit for both the general surgery (American Board of Surgery) and cardiothoracic surgery (American Board of Thoracic Surgery) boards (for more info, see here http://www.cardiothoracicsurgery.wustl.edu/Teaching/OverviewFellowship.asp ).
 
Pulled from AMA's FREIDA service in October 2007:

81 total programs (with available spots per year posted, if known)

Alabama
University of Alabama Medical Center Program (Birmingham)

Arizona
University of Arizona Program (Tucson) - 1 spot

California
Loma Linda University Program (Loma Linda) - 1 spot
Cedars-Sinai Medical Center Program (Los Angeles) - 1 spot
UCLA Medical Center Program (Los Angeles) - 2 spots
University of Southern California/LAC+USC Medical Center Program (Los Angeles) - 1 spot
University of California (Davis) Health System Program (Sacramento) - 1 spot
University of California (San Diego) Program (San Diego) - 1 spot
University of California (San Francisco) Program (San Francisco) - 1 spot
Stanford University Program (Stanford) - 2 spots

Colorado
University of Colorado Program (Denver)

Connecticut
Yale-New Haven Medical Center Program (New Haven) - 2 spots

District of Columbia
George Washington University Program (Washington, DC) - 2 spots
National Capital Consortium Program (Washington, DC)

Florida
University of Florida Program (Gainesville) - 1 spot
Jackson Memorial Hospital/Jackson Health System Program (Miami) - 2 spots

Georgia
Emory University Program (Atlanta) - 3 spots

Illinois
McGaw Medical Center of Northwestern University Program (Chicago)
Rush University Medical Center Program (Chicago)
University of Illinois College of Medicine at Chicago Program (Chicago) - 1 spot
Loyola University Program (Maywood)

Indiana
Indiana University School of Medicine Program (Indianapolis) - 2 spots

Iowa
University of Iowa Hospitals and Clinics Program (Iowa City)

Kentucky
University of Kentucky College of Medicine Program (Lexington) - 1 spot
University of Louisville Program (Louisville)

Maryland
Johns Hopkins University Program (Baltimore) - 2 spots
University of Maryland Program (Baltimore)

Massachusetts
Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center Program (Boston) - 1 spot
Boston University Medical Center Program (Boston) - 1 spot
Brigham and Women's Hospital/Children's Hospital Program (Boston) - 4 spots (2 cardiac and 2 thoracic)
Massachusetts General Hospital Program (Boston) - 3 spots
Tufts-New England Medical Center Program (Boston) - 1 spot

Michigan
University of Michigan Program (Ann Arbor) - 3 spots

Minnesota
University of Minnesota Program (Minneapolis) - 2 spots
Mayo School of Graduate Medical Education (Rochester) Program (Rochester) - 2 spots

Mississippi
University of Mississippi Medical Center Program (Jackson) - 1 spot

Missouri
University of Missouri-Kansas City School of Medicine/St Luke's Hospital Program (Kansas City)
St Louis University School of Medicine Program (St Louis)
Washington University/B-JH/SLCH Consortium Program (St Louis) - 2 spots (1 cardiac and 1 thoracic)

New Jersey
UMDNJ-Robert Wood Johnson Medical School Program (New Brunswick) - 1 spot

New Mexico
University of New Mexico Program (Albuquerque) - 1 spot

New York
Albany Medical Center Program (Albany) - 1 spot
Albert Einstein College of Medicine Program (Bronx) - 2 spots
SUNY Health Science Center at Brooklyn Program (Brooklyn) - 2 spots
NSLIJHS-Albert Einstein College of Medicine at Long Island Jewish Medical Center Program (New Hyde Park) - 1 spot
Mount Sinai School of Medicine Program (New York)
New York Presbyterian Hospital (Columbia Campus) Program (New York) - 2 spots
New York Presbyterian Hospital (Cornell Campus) Program (New York) - 3 spots
New York University School of Medicine Program (New York) - 2 spots
University of Rochester Program (Rochester) - 2 spots

North Carolina
University of North Carolina Hospitals Program (Chapel Hill) - 1 spot
Carolinas Medical Center Program (Charlotte)
Duke University Hospital Program (Durham) - 3 spots
Wake Forest University School of Medicine Program (Winston-Salem)

Ohio
University Hospital/University of Cincinnati College of Medicine Program (Cincinnati) - 1 spot
Cleveland Clinic Foundation Program (Cleveland) - 2 spots
Ohio State University Hospital Program (Columbus) - 2 spots

Oklahoma
University of Oklahoma Health Sciences Center Program (Oklahoma City) - 1 spot

Oregon
Oregon Health & Science University Program (Portland)

Pennsylvania
Penn State University/Milton S Hershey Medical Center Program (Hershey)
Drexel University College of Medicine/Hahnemann University Hospital Program (Philadelphia) - 1 spot
Thomas Jefferson University Program (Philadelphia)
University of Pennsylvania Program (Philadelphia) - 3 spots
Allegheny General Hospital Program (Pittsburgh) - 2 spots
University of Pittsburgh Medical Center Medical Education Program (Pittsburgh) - 4 spots

South Carolina
Medical University of South Carolina Program (Charleston)

Tennessee
University of Tennessee Program (Memphis) - 2 spots
Vanderbilt University Program (Nashville) - 1 spot

Texas
University of Texas Southwestern Medical School Program (Dallas) - 2 spots
University of Texas Medical Branch Hospitals Program (Galveston) - 1 spot
Baylor College of Medicine Program (Houston)
Texas Heart Institute Program (Houston)
Texas Heart Institute/Baylor College of Medicine Program (Houston)
University of Texas M D Anderson Cancer Center Program (Houston) - 1 spot
University of Texas Health Science Center at San Antonio Program (San Antonio)

Utah
University of Utah Program (Salt Lake City) - 2 spots

Virginia
University of Virginia Program (Charlottesville) - 2 spots

Washington
University of Washington Program (Seattle) - 2 spots

West Virginia
West Virginia University Program (Morgantown) - 1 spot

Wisconsin
University of Wisconsin Program (Madison) - 1 spot
Medical College of Wisconsin Affiliated Hospitals Program (Milwaukee)
 
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Here are the fellowships split by length:

Two-year
University of Alabama Medical Center Program (Birmingham)
University of Arizona Program (Tucson)
Cedars-Sinai Medical Center Program (Los Angeles)
UCLA Medical Center Program (Los Angeles)
University of Southern California/LAC+USC Medical Center Program (Los Angeles)
University of California (Davis) Health System Program (Sacramento)
University of California (San Diego) Program (San Diego)
Yale-New Haven Medical Center Program (New Haven)
George Washington University Program (Washington, DC)
National Capital Consortium Program (Washington, DC)
University of Florida Program (Gainesville)
Jackson Memorial Hospital/Jackson Health System Program (Miami)
Rush University Medical Center Program (Chicago)
University of Illinois College of Medicine at Chicago Program (Chicago)
Loyola University Program (Maywood)
University of Iowa Hospitals and Clinics Program (Iowa City)
University of Kentucky College of Medicine Program (Lexington)
University of Louisville Program (Louisville)
University of Maryland Program (Baltimore)
Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center Program (Boston)
Brigham and Women's Hospital/Children's Hospital Program (Boston)
Tufts-New England Medical Center Program (Boston)
University of Michigan Program (Ann Arbor)
University of Mississippi Medical Center Program (Jackson)
University of Missouri-Kansas City School of Medicine/St Luke's Hospital Program (Kansas City)
St Louis University School of Medicine Program (St Louis)
Washington University/B-JH/SLCH Consortium Program (St Louis)
University of New Mexico Program (Albuquerque)
Albany Medical Center Program (Albany)
Albert Einstein College of Medicine Program (Bronx)
SUNY Health Science Center at Brooklyn Program (Brooklyn)
NSLIJHS-Albert Einstein College of Medicine at Long Island Jewish Medical Center Program (New Hyde Park)
New York Presbyterian Hospital (Columbia Campus) Program (New York)
New York Presbyterian Hospital (Cornell Campus) Program (New York)
University of Rochester Program (Rochester)
Carolinas Medical Center Program (Charlotte)
Wake Forest University School of Medicine Program (Winston-Salem)
Ohio State University Hospital Program (Columbus)
University of Oklahoma Health Sciences Center Program (Oklahoma City)
Oregon Health & Science University Program (Portland)
Penn State University/Milton S Hershey Medical Center Program (Hershey)
Thomas Jefferson University Program (Philadelphia)
University of Pennsylvania Program (Philadelphia)
Allegheny General Hospital Program (Pittsburgh)
University of Pittsburgh Medical Center Medical Education Program (Pittsburgh)
University of Tennessee Program (Memphis)
University of Texas Medical Branch Hospitals Program (Galveston)
Baylor College of Medicine Program (Houston)
Texas Heart Institute Program (Houston)
University of Texas M D Anderson Cancer Center Program (Houston)
University of Texas Health Science Center at San Antonio Program (San Antonio)
University of Utah Program (Salt Lake City)
University of Virginia Program (Charlottesville)
University of Washington Program (Seattle)
West Virginia University Program (Morgantown)
University of Wisconsin Program (Madison)
Medical College of Wisconsin Affiliated Hospitals Program (Milwaukee)

Three-year
Loma Linda University Program (Loma Linda)
University of California (San Francisco) Program (San Francisco)
Stanford University Program (Stanford)
University of Colorado Program (Denver)
Emory University Program (Atlanta)
McGaw Medical Center of Northwestern University Program (Chicago)
Indiana University School of Medicine Program (Indianapolis)
Johns Hopkins University Program (Baltimore)
Boston University Medical Center Program (Boston)
Massachusetts General Hospital Program (Boston)
University of Minnesota Program (Minneapolis)
Mayo School of Graduate Medical Education (Rochester) Program (Rochester)
UMDNJ-Robert Wood Johnson Medical School Program (New Brunswick)
Mount Sinai School of Medicine Program (New York)
New York University School of Medicine Program (New York)
University of North Carolina Hospitals Program (Chapel Hill)
Duke University Hospital Program (Durham)
University Hospital/University of Cincinnati College of Medicine Program (Cincinnati)
Cleveland Clinic Foundation Program (Cleveland)
Drexel University College of Medicine/Hahnemann University Hospital Program (Philadelphia)
Medical University of South Carolina Program (Charleston)
Vanderbilt University Program (Nashville)
University of Texas Southwestern Medical School Program (Dallas)
Texas Heart Institute/Baylor College of Medicine Program (Houston)
 
Last year's NRMP Match results (from 6/13/07, seen here http://www.nrmp.org/fellow/match_name/thoracic/stats.html ) were as follows:

Total Programs: 92
Programs Filled: 56 (61%)
Programs Unfilled: 36 (39%)

Total Positions: 130
Positions Filled: 87 (67%)
Positions Unfilled: 43 (33%)

Total Applicants: 103
Withdrawn Applicants: 0
Applicants Did Not Return ROL: 7
Certified Applicants: 96
Matched Applicants: 87 (91%)
Unmatched Applicants: 9 (9%)

Match Rate By Applicant:

US Grad: 67 certified, 62 matched (93%)
US Foreign: 5 certified, 5 matched (100%)
Osteo: 1 certified, 1 matched (100%)
Foreign: 21 certified, 17 matched (81%)
Canadian: 2 certified, 2 matched (100%)
 
A good discussion on this can be seen here:

Lifestyle of CT Surgeon?

Some highlights from that thread are as follows:

If you do a forum search under "lifestyle" you will see CTS frequently mentioned as amongst the worst:

- emergencies
- sick patients
- call
- high stress
- decreasing reimbursement

As to whether or not you can be a good husband and father, that is independent of your specialty. Hours spent at home do not = quality time as a husband and father, IMHO.

Because of the small size of the CT surgery team in most hospitals, they usually take much more call than the average general surgeon and the patients are often much more sick. In addition, their call often requires them to come into the hospital whereas general surgeons can often go nights without coming into the hospital (if they have residents to cover).

I can say that as a resident on CT surgery I was on the phone MUCH MUCH more often with the CT attending and fellow than with any general surgery attending. The CT guys often came in to see post-op patients with complications, to deal with problems created in the cath lab, etc. while a general surgeon could stay home or even delay coming in until morning in many instances.

Our CT guys also had a per capita much higher divorce rate than the general surgeons...of course that could have been related to their personalities rather than the work!:laugh:
 
This is one of the most debated questions regarding the field of cardiothoracic surgery. Indeed, what deters many General Surgery residents from pursuing CT Surgery as a profession is the perceived lack of jobs and job security after fellowship training. It seems almost everyone "knows a fellow who couldn't get a job after finishing training."

There have been some great discussions on this topic:

I heard CT Surgery Was making a comeback and tha Cardiology on its way down!!!

Cardiology gets first dibs on the vast majority of vasculopathic cases, because most vasculopaths have coronary diease. After the heart issues are taken care of, cardiology gets to bid or pass (kinda like the Price is Right and the Showcase showdown) on the patient. Usually if they pass, its because the patient is a wreck and there isn't much interventional stuff to offer.

The issue is that there is a glut of interventional cardiologists chasing not enough coronaries (besides stents aren't always the best thing for the patient all the time) so they've to branched into the peripheral vessels to stay gainfully employed. Not necessarily because they offer the best peripheral vascular care, but because they CAN. My only contention is that IRs and Vascular surgeons have always treated peripheral vascular disease since the inception of the respective fields and have been the ones to help pioneer the development of the technology, and it seems that the cardiologist's recent in-roads into peripheral disease seems suspiciously financially motivated.

Is the CT market starting to correct itself?

The decline in number of physicians training in CTS and your hope that means an upswing in the need for them presumes that we are training the correct number.

The long-recognized problem was that we had too many CTS fellowship training programs, so not filling the programs is not a bad thing and it doesn't necessarily mean that we will be underserved in the future for CTS. It may mean that we will find the appropriate number and not flood the market again in 20 years with too many highly trained people for too few jobs.

But otherwise I agree, the 55-60 yo surgeons will be retiring soon but remember they have a whole generation of CTS trained surgeons, many without adequate jobs, left to fill those spaces.

There will always be a need for CTS, but we need to be more judicious about the number of people we train for an evolving field.

future of cardiac surgery

Hi there,
There are fewer folks going into Cardiothoracic Surgery these days and the numbers will be declining for the same reasons that the numbers in General Surgery have declined. It's a long haul and the compensation at the end is not what it used to be for so many years of sacrifice to learn your craft. That being said, the numbers of folks needing CABGs is not declining, not to mention valve replacements and other acquired heart disease. So far, robotics hasn't gone beyond the folks who have one-vessel disease which seem to be in the minority. Minimally invasive procedures still have a fairly steep learning curve.

As one of the authors of the articles correctly stated, vascular surgery is it's own specialty and is doing pretty well at present. With the number of smokers and diabetics continuing to rise, I don't see the vascular surgeons or the thoracic surgeons suddenly heading for the unemployment lines. At my program, the Thoracic-Cardiovascular Service continues to be the busiest and showing no signs of decreasing. Of course, the drugs of choice here in Charlottesville are tobacco and alcohol so business should be good here.

Almost everything in medicine is cyclical and it is impossible to predict the future of any specialty. A few years back, anesthesia was written off as belonging to the CRNAs but anesthesiologists are in short supply and commanding excellent salaries.

I would not try to use future demand or future technology as a means to select a specialty in any discipline as crystal balls in medicine have proven to be pretty inaccurate. If you love what you do, you are probably going to be good at it and good cardiothoracic surgeons are always in high demand. :cool:

Good thread.

As someone who plans to pursue training in Cardiology, I have often cited the link above to demonstrate just how blurred the line between medicine and surgery has become.

However, surgical treatment of heart disease is entering a new era. Sure, with the advent of drug eluting stents (more than intracoronary radiation) to be used in combination with antiplatelet agents, the advantage that CABG has over PCI from the standpoint of fewer revascularization procedures will probably fade away. However, there is plenty to keep the cutters busy:

1. Left main disease (for the long term)
2. 3v disease (for now)
2.5 Disease not amenable to PCI -- not as common now, but still around.
3. Valves -- percutaneous valve deployment is in its nascent stages but I think there will be significant growing pains for this procedure before it becomes close to a viable alternative (patient selection, type of valve, durability of the valve, anticoagulation, to name a few). Percutaneous valvuloplasty is by no means definitive therapy in the majority of cases either.

And this is really big:
4. LVAD -- Left Ventricular Assist Devices. Billed as bridge to transplant, these things are now in the running to be use as more than just bridges, but to actually be used in pts who otherwise can't be transplanted. I've actually seen and talked to a patient whose heart on ECHO looked like a functionless balloon. In one corner of the ECHO you can see the little whirring of the LVAD keeping the patient alive and relatively functional.

These are just a few areas of CVS that I believe will keep the field vibrant for years to come and demand that competent and dedicated folks enter the field.

Future of Cardiothoracic Surgery

I really think that when you post a bunch of percentages that you should at least try to reference a study. As much as I believe that you are an expert, I'd rather see some proof.

A 90% (at best as you stated) 1-year patency rate is very low for current stents and unlikely to be accurate. If it is true, I want to read the study. Also, 5-year data supporting CABG would be more supportive of your argument, and 5-year morbidity and mortality (compared to a 1-year) would be more relevent to surgical intervention as well, as traditionally the less invasive procedures fare better in the immediate post-operative time period.

Old data shows CABG to have a significantly higher event free survival (lower number of reinterventions) at 5 years, but no statistically significant advantage on overall survival, and this is with bare metal stents. (ARTS II trial).

What is troubling to CT surgeons is that most of the data that they quote that is in favor of CABG over PCI is based on the use of bare-metal stents, which is outdated since most stenting is now done with drug-eluting stents. The new stents have decreased stenosis rates and therefore decreased number of reinterventions.

Now, don't get me wrong: I would love for CABG to remain as an important treatment for CAD, but to say that "surgery is the best solution for LAD disease" is near-sighted, as patient population, degree of stenosis, comorbidities, etc play a large role in determining which treatment is best.

Also, the vessel that we as surgeons are holding onto tightly is not the LAD, but the left main, as CABG is still the standard of care for left main disease.....of course, there are trials currently underway by cardiologists whose preliminary data shows left main stenting to be safe and effective.:(

I'm personally torn emotionally by the issue. I love CT surgery and want there to be a strong future for the field, but it's unfair to the patient to be upset that less invasive procedures are being shown to be equally effective and, in some instances, superior.

The future of CT surgery is largely dependent on the creation of "hybrid procedures" as you mentioned, as well as the ability of CT surgeons to gain privileges to perform percutaneous interventions. And, of course, we always have the diabetics........

I do agree with you, however, that the IMA kicks @ss.

Some literature to read if interested:

1. The BARI trial. N Engl J Med 1996; 335: 217-224.
2. ARTS I and II trials. 1-N Eng J Med 2001; 344:1117-24. 2-J Am Coll Cardiol 2005; 46:575-81.
3. Argument against PCI: N Eng J Med 2005; 352:2174-83.
4. Drug eluting stents: 1. N Eng J Med 2003; 349:1315. 2. N Eng J Med 2004: 350: 221.

Cardiac Surgery: Differing views on its future

This isn't primarily a "no jobs" issue with CTVS, although talking to friends there really are VERY few desirable positions available for most grads.

Rather the phenomena has to do with the "triad" of job-satisfaction factors influencing students/residents identified by J. David Richardson MD a few years ago in an ariticle in either Journal of the ACS or the Amer Journal of Surgery. In a nut shell, the desirablity is influenced by an interplay between money, prestige, and lifestyle. Dr. Richardson speculated that people will tolerate medical specialties lacking one of the 3 qualities, but one that lacked 2 or more are easy to identify as unpopular.

Currently CTVS is suffering in all 3 areas & there's really not much going to change.
1 - Salaries will never approach a fraction of the golden era (~1960-1990) in any specialty that isn't fee for service.
2 - The aura & prestige of being a heart surgeon is pretty non-existant anymore.
3- The lifestyle has always sucked

Other good discussions:

Casrdiothoracic employment scene..

Enough with the IC vs. CTS debate, and ?dying-CTS? arguments
 
UVA's website (http://www.healthsystem.virginia.edu/internet/surgery/res-thoracic.cfm) has an excellent summary of the curriculum their residents go through:

Major General Thoracic Procedures: Lungs, Pleura, Chest Wall Pneumonectomy, Lobectomy, Segmentectomy Esophagus, Mediastinal, Diaphragm

Major Cardiovascular Procedures: Congenital Heart, Acquired Valvular, Myocardial Revascularization, Transplantation

At Emory, another top-ranked program (http://www.surgery.emory.edu/cardio_surgery/divtrain.htm), their procedures are categorized thus:

Lung-volume reduction surgery
Extrapleural pneumonectomy for mesothelioma
Video-assisted thoracoscopic surgery
Microthoracoscopic sympathectomy for hyperhidrosis
Minimally invasive bypass surgery (division surgeons performed Georgia's first closed chest, off-pump cardiac bypass in 2003)
Mitral valve repair
Revascularization of acute myocardial infarction
Resection of thoracic and thoraco-abdominal aneurysms
Staged treatment of hypoplastic left heart syndrome
Lung, heart and heart-lung transplants
 
Conventional wisdom states that in academics, you have to specialize and find your "niche" - that is, "if you try to do everything, you won't be good at anything." So most CT surgeons in academics tend to focus on either cardiac or thoracic.

Conversely, there are many in private practice who will do both - a mix of cardiac and thoracic, sometimes even throwing in a little general/GI (e.g. Heller myotomies, Nissen fundoplications, esophagectomies).
 
The 1973 book Hearts: Of surgeons and transplants, miracles and disasters along the cardiac frontier by Thomas Thompson has been highly recommended. Unfortunately it's out of print at most bookstores, but you may be able to find it online.

For more current textbooks/handbooks:

Cardiothoracic Surgery Reviews

"Manual of Perioperative Care in Cardiac Surgery" by Robert Bojar. It's the bible...

Bojar's book "Manual of Perioperative Care in Adult Cardiac Surgery" is golden and brand new. But since you are interested in a less comprehensive, more pocket-style CS-ICU book, i recommend you "The Johns Hopkins Manual of Cardiac Surgical Care" . It's a bit old (1994) but still golden (beware cause there might be a new edition on the way)

Hi there,
I like Handbook of Patient Care in Cardiac Surgery. There is a brand new edition with everything that you need and nothing that you don't. Fits easily in your pocket.
njbmd :D

In addition, Robert Cerfolio (from UAB) wrote a very nice essay on becoming a CT Surgeon in 2005, viewable here:

Why Become A Chest Surgeon?
 
CT Surgery

I'll bite.

After countless hours of stress, numerous discussions with staff, and finally just saying "screw it", I've decided to do CT surg. Why? Because I enjoy it the most of all things surgical. Naive? Maybe.

I know the CT guys can be A-holes but not all. I know the lifestyle isn't great. I know the main procedure is declining in number although not completely disappearing. I know reimbursement sucks compared to the golden days. I know it's an extra 2-3 years of brutal training where I won't be making big cash, my debt's interest is growing, I have to move my family (likely), and I still have no control over my life.

This has all been said on these boards a million times. We all know. So let's answer ollaguna's question, OK?

Most competitive or top tier programs (my list and opinion and definitely not the end all-be all):

Cleveland Clinic (they see it all, do it all)
Duke (just hearsay but supposedly an excellent place)
Texas Heart or Baylor (you pick. they're similar. Debakey and Cooley)
Wash U (as usual, this place has great fellowships. Good transplant)
Mayo, Hopkins, Mass General (the ole mainstays)
Probably should put UAB and UT-SW up here to

Middle tier/upper tier: Louisville, UVA, Vanderbilt, Stanford
Good places:Wisconsin, Minnesota, Indiana, UCLA,St. Louis


I don't really know how to put places on a lowest tier. Maybe if you don't have good peds or transplant (although a lot of people think that's a blessing). A lot of places are really strong in non-cardiac thoracic (Michigan, USC come to mind).

A lot of this is hearsay so take it with a grain. Any additions/subtractions would be great
 
Please read the following thread for a good discussion on this:

Cardiothoracic DO

What's important to note is the following:

I have researched the topic extensively being that I am a DO in an AOA general surgery residency wanting to do CT surgery. The answer to your question is yes, you can do an AOA general surgery residency followed by an ACGME fellowship, however, it is a little more complicated than you would think. First off AOA general surgery training does not allow you to sit for the American Board of Thoracic Surgery board certification. Thus many programs will not accept you based on this fact alone. Since you are not eligible for the boards, it in a way appears that the program graduated a fellow that did not pass the boards and when the program is reviewed they are "penalized" for graduating a fellow without board certification. The key is finding a fellowship that is willing to take that "hit" and accept your training knowing that you are not going to become board certified through the ABTS. The way around the board certification issue, is you can "petition" the AOA for approval of your ACGME fellowship and become board certified through the AOA Cardiothoracic Boards, thus you will become board certified. It is really frustrating during a time when all you need is a pulse and a respiratory rate to be accepted into CT fellowship, you are limited in the number of programs that you can apply to and be accepted into.

In essence, while a DO currently training in an osteopathic General Surgery residency program may certainly apply to (and be accepted into) an allopathic fellowship program, this does not necessarily mean that resident will be board eligible (BE) afterwards. The appropriate AOA board will have to approve the fellowship for board certification.

Note that a DO who trains in an allopathic General Surgery program can then apply to any allopathic CT Surgery fellowship, and will then be subsequently board eligible upon completion.
 
Graciously provided by jc7721:

www.ctsnet.org - has a little bit of everything

www.tsda.org - Thoracic Surgery Directors Association - mostly irrelevant EXCEPT the link "Readings and References" under 'TSDA Weekly Curricula' on the main page. After the jump, scroll to the bottom and click on 'Multimedia Manual of Cardiothoracic Surgery'. Goldmine.

http://www.acgme.org/adspublic/ - click on 'list of programs by specialty' on the left sidebar, then choose Thoracic surgery or Thoracic surgery - integrated in the drop down menu. This will give you the official list and contact info for all the CT programs.

www.abts.org - the American Board of Thoracic Surgery
 
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