Biggest differences between working in US and Canada

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I'm a Canadian medical student and I'm deciding whether moving down to the states to practice medicine would be right for me. I know this sounds superficial, but one of the big reasons for moving is having better weather year round, in a place like California or Florida.

I know there are big differences in the healthcare systems between Canada and US, but I am wondering whether there is anyone who has trained or worked in both systems and would like to share their own personal stories and experiences. What are some aspects most people don't recognize? How bad is working with the insurance companies down in the States? I would love to hear your thoughts.

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I mean that is just way too broad a question and highly dependent on speicality, the speicfic practice within speicailtiy, specific states/provinces/cities, etc.
 
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I'm a Canadian medical student and I'm deciding whether moving down to the states to practice medicine would be right for me. I know this sounds superficial, but one of the big reasons for moving is having better weather year round, in a place like California or Florida.

I know there are big differences in the healthcare systems between Canada and US, but I am wondering whether there is anyone who has trained or worked in both systems and would like to share their own personal stories and experiences. What are some aspects most people don't recognize? How bad is working with the insurance companies down in the States? I would love to hear your thoughts.
I practiced in the states as a resident and have been in Canada as an attending (FM). Overall I didn't find it too different in the day to day, I still practice the same way in both countries. The biggest day to day differences were access/resource differences and medications.

I could order scans and refer to specialists the same way in both countries, but how soon that would get done was very different. For example, if I had a patient with a hip issue and I wanted more complex imaging like an MRI and an ortho referral, in Canada I order the MRI myself (no insurance company to fight me on that one), it might get done in 4-6 months if non urgent, and if I refer to ortho the patient might get seen in 6-12 months. In the states there's MRI machines on every corner so I could order one and it would be done in two weeks, although I might get a kick back from the insurance company and have to sit on the phone to get it approved. They could see ortho within a week or two depending on the location/issue. I was in a medium sized town in the states, I imagine not all towns are as well resourced. Prior auths/insurance battles mainly happened over advanced imaging, not really part of day to day family med life. My work around was just refer to the specialists and let them order it in most cases.

Meds were a big day to day issue in the states, even when covered by medicare/medicaid the copays alone were enough to sink patients. A $4-$10 copay per medication can add up really quickly per month after 4-5 meds on patients with a very low income. Not an issue for those who can afford non government funded health insurance. If someone didn't have insurance? You can forget prescribing an inhaler, those are like $300 bucks with no insurance. Insulin was cheapest through Wal-Mart at $25 bucks a vial, but I had some patients on 4-5 vials per month. There were some helpful websites that provided coupons (ie. good rx) and of course I never would prescribe a brand name in the states (not that that matters).

Community resources can be different. My residency was a well resourced "FQHC" type centre (designed to help patients with low SES status with federal funding) and we had in house social workers, mental health therapists, even some dentists who could do some free work and extractions. I imagine many jobs/centres would not include this so patients are more on their own. In Ontario, there are some government funded nutritionists, therapists etc. so I think there's more widespread support for patients.

Overall, the main difference I think is job autonomy. I never worked as an attending in the states, but most jobs were such that you sign a deal with a clinic, get a salary, but of course with that you are beholden to them for x days per week or x patients per hour etc. You could of course open your own private clinic too. In Canada, most docs are self employed, so here I set my own hours, my own patient load to whatever I want it to be and can change that anytime I want.

Both systems have their pros and cons and there will be some daily administrative type frustrations of "this shouldn't be my problem", I don't think either is a deal breaker. Your time outside of work will make you more happy, so live where you want to live and fit work as best as you can around that.
 
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better weather is very subjective
currently practicing in Los Angeles, CA but is considering a move back to Vancouver. BC since I have family there.
everything that Gos81238ia said is true.

I agreee with "the biggest day to day differences were access/resource differences and medications."
another BIG difference is we practice Defensive medicine here.
I don't know any doc who will stick their neck out for a diagnosis and bypass protocols in fear of a law suit.
We have ambulance chasers here every corner

I practice in an urgent car , and I can order CT Scan and MRI right away
so I do have a confirmed diagnosis of Diverticulitis for my elderly patient
or an appendicitis for my 6 yr old with abdominal pain ( if ultrasound is equivocal, I go for a CT Scan)
before I send them back to their PCP/ or refer to a general surgeon.

Fractures that I see, can be seen by Ortho within 24 hours. ( if they have been seen at the ER/ urgent care)
vs if they were seen by their PCPalthough it's usually within a week if they're coming from a PCP office.
, of course, open fracture is a different story.

Having no insurance is really TOUGH..
even for a Kenalog injection or a Toradol injection., the bill can be as high as $500.
office visit alone is in the $149-220 depending on location
the. usual EKG, X ray, CBC, CMP , U/A will add. to that cost
 
I practiced in the states as a resident and have been in Canada as an attending (FM). Overall I didn't find it too different in the day to day, I still practice the same way in both countries. The biggest day to day differences were access/resource differences and medications.

I could order scans and refer to specialists the same way in both countries, but how soon that would get done was very different. For example, if I had a patient with a hip issue and I wanted more complex imaging like an MRI and an ortho referral, in Canada I order the MRI myself (no insurance company to fight me on that one), it might get done in 4-6 months if non urgent, and if I refer to ortho the patient might get seen in 6-12 months. In the states there's MRI machines on every corner so I could order one and it would be done in two weeks, although I might get a kick back from the insurance company and have to sit on the phone to get it approved. They could see ortho within a week or two depending on the location/issue. I was in a medium sized town in the states, I imagine not all towns are as well resourced. Prior auths/insurance battles mainly happened over advanced imaging, not really part of day to day family med life. My work around was just refer to the specialists and let them order it in most cases.
I heard that even within Canada, this varies province to province, and city to city. Someone on another platform claimed that wait times are longer in cities, and not as long in rural areas (similar to the US, where wait times to see a dermatologist can easily be 6-12 months in big cities, but a few weeks in some areas). Have you noticed the same?
 
I heard that even within Canada, this varies province to province, and city to city. Someone on another platform claimed that wait times are longer in cities, and not as long in rural areas (similar to the US, where wait times to see a dermatologist can easily be 6-12 months in big cities, but a few weeks in some areas). Have you noticed the same?
Things can be quite different from province to province as health care is delivered by provincial systems, not federal. Things are also different from city to city, based on resources and availability. If your city happens to have more cardiologists per capita vs another, you may have shorter wait times for instance. If you need specialized pediatric care and you're not in a large centre, you may not have any local options at all and need to travel to a larger centre.
 
Things can be quite different from province to province as health care is delivered by provincial systems, not federal. Things are also different from city to city, based on resources and availability. If your city happens to have more cardiologists per capita vs another, you may have shorter wait times for instance. If you need specialized pediatric care and you're not in a large centre, you may not have any local options at all and need to travel to a larger centre.

So, not terribly different than the US...
 
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better weather is very subjective
currently practicing in Los Angeles, CA but is considering a move back to Vancouver. BC since I have family there.
everything that Gos81238ia said is true.

I agreee with "the biggest day to day differences were access/resource differences and medications."
another BIG difference is we practice Defensive medicine here.
I don't know any doc who will stick their neck out for a diagnosis and bypass protocols in fear of a law suit.
We have ambulance chasers here every corner

I practice in an urgent car , and I can order CT Scan and MRI right away
so I do have a confirmed diagnosis of Diverticulitis for my elderly patient
or an appendicitis for my 6 yr old with abdominal pain ( if ultrasound is equivocal, I go for a CT Scan)
before I send them back to their PCP/ or refer to a general surgeon.

Fractures that I see, can be seen by Ortho within 24 hours. ( if they have been seen at the ER/ urgent care)
vs if they were seen by their PCPalthough it's usually within a week if they're coming from a PCP office.
, of course, open fracture is a different story.

Having no insurance is really TOUGH..
even for a Kenalog injection or a Toradol injection., the bill can be as high as $500.
office visit alone is in the $149-220 depending on location
the. usual EKG, X ray, CBC, CMP , U/A will add. to that cost

I am moving back to BC next year as well. I highly recommend healthMatch BC for jobs
 
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