Best President in terms of salaries for Physicians?

[Stagg737]

The inheritance (or, if you prefer, death) tax is a mechanism to prevent the intergenerational accumulation and concentration of wealth into the hands of the few. It was widely supported by the Founding Fathers and proponents of the American Revolution, who saw it as a means for the country to avoid devolving into another European-style aristocracy. In that regard, the inheritance/death tax is as American as mom and apple pie.

You're not un-American, are you?

I understand the concept, however the point I was trying to make was that we are essentially taxed for everything. Income, owning property, purchasing items, selling items, gifting money or items, even dying.

I'm not going to sit here and say we don't need taxes or that they're wrong as a whole, as governments obviously need money to function and provide basic societal needs. However, I do find the extent to which our society is completely reliant on authority to function disappointing and I find the fact that in many ways the U.S. government is run more like a business than an organization for providing infrastructure to be somewhat disturbing.

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[Law2Doc]

The inheritance (or, if you prefer, death) tax is a mechanism to prevent the intergenerational accumulation and concentration of wealth into the hands of the few. It was widely supported by the Founding Fathers and proponents of the American Revolution, who saw it as a means for the country to avoid devolving into another European-style aristocracy. In that regard, the inheritance/death tax is as American as mom and apple pie.

You're not un-American, are you?

Additionally it stimulates the economy because it encourages rich people to spend. If you don't want to get stuck paying half your wealth as taxes after you die then you should instead spend your golden years taking lavish vacations, eating at the best restaurants etc.

but I certainly get that other posters point that this is a second tax on income the government already taxed when it was earned. Sucks to die rich, I guess.

 

[Stagg737]

Additionally it stimulates the economy because it encourages rich people to spend. If you don't want to get stuck paying half your wealth as taxes after you die then you should instead spend your golden years taking lavish vacations, eating at the best restaurants etc.

but I certainly get that other posters point that this is a second tax on income the government already taxed when it was earned. Sucks to die rich, I guess.

3 times if you make that money, invest it, then withdraw it, and then pay an estate tax...

 

[Med Ed]

I understand the concept, however the point I was trying to make was that we are essentially taxed for everything. Income, owning property, purchasing items, selling items, gifting money or items, even dying.

The death tax isn't really a tax on dying, it's a tax on transfer of wealth, and even then only kicks in above a certain level. Historically there have been plenty of ways around it, hence the concept of the trust fund baby.

 

[Med Ed]

3 times if you make that money, invest it, then withdraw it, and then pay an estate tax...

Taxed on making it, sure.
Taxed on investing it? Not so sure. My 401K contributions are pre-tax, even.
Taxed on gains, sure. Same as making it.
Taxed on estate, that's your heirs "making it."

We could devise another system, but a pound of flesh is a pound of flesh.

 

[Law2Doc]

Taxed on making it, sure.
Taxed on investing it? Not so sure. My 401K contributions are pre-tax, even.
Taxed on gains, sure. Same as making it.
Taxed on estate, that's your heirs "making it."

We could devise another system, but a pound of flesh is a pound of flesh.

401k is a unique retirement benefit that most wouldn't lump in generally with "investing".

 

[Stagg737]

Taxed on making it, sure.
Taxed on investing it? Not so sure. My 401K contributions are pre-tax, even.
Taxed on gains, sure. Same as making it.
Taxed on estate, that's your heirs "making it."

We could devise another system, but a pound of flesh is a pound of flesh.

I wasn't including the investing part as being taxed, just included that bc you can't have capital gains without investing your capital unless I'm missing something.

 

[Goro]

And just when you thought that this race couldn't possibly get any stranger:
http://www.nytimes.com/politics/fir...e-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0


I wonder if at the Republican convention that there might be a revolt of the delegates? We live in polarizing times, and the Republican party seems to be coming apart at the seams.

 

[RB_Dez]

So back to the Original question from me ( the OP), is this order of best Presidents in terms of greatest salaries for Healthcare Professionals......

1. Trump
2. Any GOP Candidate
3. Hillary
4. A pile of ****

100. Bernie Sanders

?

 

[supermario21]

I'm sure Comrade Sanders will reward the National Nurses United Union for their major support of him by finding more ways to stick it to physicians, all while raising taxes on them and cutting their reimbursements as he tries to wrest away the healthcare industry for the federal government.

Carson is probably the best, followed by any GOP candidate. Trump is a wildcard but at this point his campaign is so incredibly crazy I might just want to see how he does. He's really having a blast and he's a genius when it comes to running a campaign and using the media. For all the talk of Citizens United destroying American politics, Jeb Bush and his $115 Million dollar superpac is gone and Trump who is spending peanuts is the frontrunner.

Hillary would be a bit better than Bernie but not much.

 

[IslandStyle808]

So back to the Original question from me ( the OP), is this order of best Presidents in terms of greatest salaries for Healthcare Professionals......

1. Trump
2. Any GOP Candidate
3. Hillary
4. A pile of ****

100. Bernie Sanders

?

I think #4 should be #1. That thing's got my vote!

 

[Instatewaiter]

I think #4 should be #1. That thing's got my vote!

Wait, aren't #1 and #4 the same thing?

 

[PhillyMed777]

Honestly, I'd be the best president for physician salaries.
My specialty: starting salary > 1 M
other specialties: starting at 750k
primary care: 500k

Immediately fire all NPs and PAs. and any other "doctors" like them

Yeah i'd tax everyone else to pay physicians too.

 

[IslandStyle808]

Wait, aren't #1 and #4 the same thing?

Trump is something worse than number #4...

 

[Milotic]

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[J ROD]

I got my MD from TRUMP University!

 

[username456789]

If I slacked off in college, graduated with a sh***y transcript and a ton of debt, struggled to get by as a lab tech, I would DEFINITELY vote for Bernie Sanders. Free healthcare, better ways to get rid of my debt, and literally every one of you in Allopathic redistributing your wealth so that I can pay less in taxes and work no more than 40 hours a week.

It's sad but this almost perfectly describes the majority of people I grew up with who are vocal Bernie supporters. I mean, in a way I can't blame them. Its the non-Catholic, financial version of confession. Someone promising to forgive all the mistakes you've made.

Except in this version, you force your well behaved friends to say your Hail Marys for you

Be absolved of your poor investments, young sinners.

 

[Anicetus]

It's sad but this almost perfectly describes the majority of people I grew up with who are vocal Bernie supporters. I mean, in a way I can't blame them. Its the non-Catholic, financial version of confession. Someone promising to forgive all the mistakes you've made.

Except in this version, you force your well behaved friends to say your Hail Marys for you

Be absolved of your poor investments, young sinners.

Not to play Devils advocate, but there are always those cases where you're a single parent trying to work hard through college and still don't do well enough to go to college, but then there's the "well you shouldn't have gotten knocked up" attitude.

It's more the situation you and the other poster you quoted presented.

This election I think really is a battle of entitlement. The rich who feel entitled to their money because of their work vs the poor who feel entitled for money because of whatever "insert life excuse here".

 

[FiveOClock]

Sanders is a bum in a suit who lived off of welfare and didn't try getting a real job until he was 40 and utterly failed at that. He is idolized by idealistic college students who have never worked or paid taxes. He was broke his whole life and instead of trying to better himself and earn a decent living, he devoted the rest of his life to promoting socialist causes to try and punish those who accomplished what he did not. He is a loser who is supported by losers. Trump, even though he did inherit some money and could have lived the easy life, instead spent his entire life working very long days non-stop to build and create successful enterprises. The dichotomy is mind-boggling. A man with a lifetime of achievement running against an unskilled socialist. A winner vs. a loser. Luckily (or not) there is another character in play here: a crook, and what we will see is a winner vs. a crook. That will be interesting.

You realize that Trump is a big-government socialist as well right? How can you Trump supporters not see that his entire career has been about using government to trample people in his way. He has no business acumen. He is a terrible CEO in more debt than he is worth which is why he refuses to release his tax records. He is poorer than you or I. Further, he openly advocates for a single payer system and is a life-long democrat. Bernies positions were described to him during an interview, and he was asked who was being described. He answered "me."

But yeah he's a great dude putting aside the fact that he's a sexist socialist bum. I can't even begin to imagine the lack of insight one must possess to be an educated person and still support him. He doesn't believe a word that comes out of his own mouth. His position is whatever will rile up a crowd.

 

[Imperius]

Fortunately, even if Bernie were elected president, his idiotic healthcare plan would never pass the house or the senate, which are controlled by the republican party. Bernie would essentially be a puppet president, unable to do anything because his "ideals" are too extreme even for the more moderate republicans.

 

[sloop]

Fortunately, even if Bernie were elected president, his idiotic healthcare plan would never pass the house or the senate, which are controlled by the republican party. Bernie would essentially be a puppet president, unable to do anything because his "ideals" are too extreme even for the more moderate republicans.

You are aware that there are congressional elections every two years and that popular presidential candidates tend to sweep people into office with them, right?

 

[Imperius]

You are aware that there are congressional elections every two years and that popular presidential candidates tend to sweep people into office with them, right?

Yea, of course. And when that happens, the democrats MAY gain control of the house, but the senate is held strongly by republicans. The only reason Obamacare got passed was during a 2 year period out of his 8 where they gained control of both. Not saying it's impossible, but I don't think I'm being unreasonable in thinking that the democrats won't gain control of both.

 

[medstudentoo]

If you went to a medical school interview or residency interview, and they asked why you wanted to be a doctor or x specialty, and you gave the reason 'to make as much money as possible', how do you think it would turn out?

premed telling others what to do. hahahahahaha

 

[AlbinoHawk DO]

Do you really need to think about this one?
Bernie sanders and other dems for that matter will try very hard to get the top 2% household incomes (doctors and their spouses) to contribute more to pay for his stuff/fix the deficit. He has personally said he doesn't believe people should be living in luxury when there are so many Americans living in poverty.

If you wanna vote with your wallet, republican is usually the way to go for lower taxes for the rich (doctors again), regardless of what medical system we switch to. However if did have trump or another repub, we'd have to settle with the amount of baggage they come with.

Yeah, but what is lower taxes worth if dollar goes down in purchasing power?

 

[deleted718115]

So the only thing you care about is your own salary?

 

[KnuxNole]

Trump is the worst, so definitely not him.

 

[NickNaylor]

So the only thing you care about is your own salary?

For myself, no, not completely, but I also don't really have much faith that The Man will put those dollars to productive use. Given that's the case, yes, I would rather have as much of the money I've earned come into my bank account as possible.

 

[Rekt]

So the only thing you care about is your own salary?

Get this crap out of here, it's pathetic.

I worked under multiple physicians for years. I know I love medicine, which is why I'm here. But it's not a black and white issue. I want to go into medicine, but this path takes at least seven years of work with a crushing debt load. There's nothing wrong with wanting to be compensated appropriately for the sacrifice of nearly delaying your life along with having the ability to actually pay back school loans.

 

[bcbcti]

So the only thing you care about is your own salary?

...yes? Of course I care about my salary. That's the point of democracy - you vote for your interests.

 

[Anicetus]

Yeah, but what is lower taxes worth if dollar goes down in purchasing power?

But then would you vote for someone who demonizes the rich?

Yes the republicans tend to demonize every type of human being that isn't white, straight, male (unless you're a fetus), but part of the reason I'm really hesitant to vote for sanders is because he talks down on the 1%, which will be you and me if we got married (household income of ~450k).

 

[Psai]

So the only thing you care about is your own salary?

I care a lot about my salary

 

[bronx43]

Yeah, but what is lower taxes worth if dollar goes down in purchasing power?

I don't think Republicans are the ones looking to debase the dollar... in fact, they are the ones touting the whole "balance the budget" movement.

 

[AlbinoHawk DO]

But then would you vote for someone who demonizes the rich?

Yes the republicans tend to demonize every type of human being that isn't white, straight, male (unless you're a fetus), but part of the reason I'm really hesitant to vote for sanders is because he talks down on the 1%, which will be you and me if we got married (household income of ~450k).

Depends what rich we talk about and if they deserve the criticism. Doctors are for the most part not members of the 1% or Wall St. bankers.

 

[AlbinoHawk DO]

I don't think Republicans are the ones looking to debase the dollar... in fact, they are the ones touting the whole "balance the budget" movement.

Gotta update your knowledge on American politics.

 

[Captain DO]

Vote for Captain DO for president and I'll make doctors great again!
If we as doctors dont like how we're being treated, we'll just build a wall between us and the non-doctors.

We doctors can survive on an island with just us, but commoners can't survive without us doctors. When they realize they can't climb the wall to get our care, they'll be willing to pay anything we want.

We need to build a wall. Its gonna be huge. Huuuuuuuuuuuge!

We don't win anymore as doctors. We lose with insurance companies, we lose with patients, we lose with debt interest and loans. But if you vote for Captain DO, we're going to win win win, that I can tell you!


This wasn't meant to bash trump. I like trump. I just watched jimmy fallon's impression of trump though and think the wall/huge thing he does is hilarious.

 

[deleted718115]

But then would you vote for someone who demonizes the rich?

Could you update your research on Sanders, please? He talks about the super rich, the 0.1%, that haven't paid their fair share of taxes, etc. etc. NOT "the rich" in general.

 

[bronx43]

Gotta update your knowledge on American politics.

Lol, you have no idea what you are talking about. Explain how the Republicans are not the ones talking about a balanced budget.

 

[PhillyMed777]

Could you update your research on Sanders, please? He talks about the super rich, the 0.1%, that haven't paid their fair share of taxes, etc. etc. NOT "the rich" in general.

Get outta here
His proposed plan increases taxes on physican level income.
This is preliminary too. Who knows where it'll go from there. Foot in the frickin door phenomena. And don't start with "oh its only x percent higher" crap.

To encourage the production of excellent and super productive people there need to be rewards. There also need to be Losers . So win or gtfo.

What is your level of training ? Everytime the government touches medicine they mess it up. No way I want a socialist pig telling me I didn't check some box and therefore I'm wrong.

 

[Baller MD]

Could you update your research on Sanders, please? He talks about the super rich, the 0.1%, that haven't paid their fair share of taxes, etc. etc. NOT "the rich" in general.

http://money.cnn.com/2016/01/19/pf/taxes/bernie-sanders-taxes/

In what world is 250k 0.1%?

 

[deleted731525]

Lol, you have no idea what you are talking about. Explain how the Republicans are not the ones talking about a balanced budget.

I think his point is that it is all talk. You arent going to cut spending significantly without cutting at least one of the military medicare or social security which none of them will do. They certainly dont want to raise taxes.

 

[PhillyMed777]

You think usain bolt would exist if everyone got a bronze medal automatically? Who even cares about gold if you automatically get a bronze while sitting on your butt and doing nothing productive to further society.

End result is we produce no gold medal winners; no exceptional folks to craft the world around them in brilliant ways.

 

[jeffk805dent]

Vote for Captain DO for president and I'll make doctors great again!
If we as doctors dont like how we're being treated, we'll just build a wall between us and the non-doctors.

We doctors can survive on an island with just us, but commoners can't survive without us doctors. When they realize they can't climb the wall to get our care, they'll be willing to pay anything we want.

I know you are being facetious but don't the doctors need engineers to build the wall? Then again I see potential with the ortho surgeons.

 

[AlbinoHawk DO]

Lol, you have no idea what you are talking about. Explain how the Republicans are not the ones talking about a balanced budget.

There's a difference between the words someone speaks and the actions they take. There's also enough history to see that the value of our money has dropped and our debt increased when the government has been in republican hands.

 

[Anicetus]

Could you update your research on Sanders, please? He talks about the super rich, the 0.1%, that haven't paid their fair share of taxes, etc. etc. NOT "the rich" in general.

Someone lied to you.

 

[Milotic]

Could you update your research on Sanders, please? He talks about the super rich, the 0.1%, that haven't paid their fair share of taxes, etc. etc. NOT "the rich" in general.

Every speech he gives he talks about both the 0.1% AND the 1%. His actual tax proposals (littered everywhere online now these days) hit anyone you would consider "rich". I'm not sure how you are convinced that he has no intentions to go after rich people.

Wait aren't you at a foreign med school? Why does this even matter to you?

 

[deleted393595]

Who is the best president in terms of healthcare professionals will benefit the most from? I dont' care about other social/economic policies they might have; I'm focusing about which president is best for us?

It would have been this man:

But it is now up to this man:

doctors unfortunately will be put in the position that what's best for us personally might not be best for the country.

@Law2Doc: Have you considered joining the AAPS?

 

[Law2Doc]

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@Law2Doc: Have you considered joining the AAPS?

Isn't that some pharmacist org?

 

[Law2Doc]

The lure of Donald Trump isn't that he would be a good president, or has a good plan, or knows how to run the country. Nobody sane thinks that. But if you are financially conservative but socially liberal (i.e. You don't want to pay crazy taxes but really couldn't care less if some same sex couple wants to get married in a church/temple/mosque after having their abortions), then who do you vote for here. The bad candidates for you are the liberals and the religious right. You aren't being represented, and breaking up either/both parties such that politicians scrambling for constituents end up at the center is your best hope going forward. Which is kind of happening with Bernie and Trump having such appeal -- Bernie because he is shaking things up, and Trump because he is so vague on his positions that you can pretend he stands for what you do.

The far right republicans have essentially destroyed their party, choosing truly horrible far right pundits like Cruz who are unelectable, and doubling down on that untenable position by calling everyone else a RINO. But to be honest if you are the only one in your club who thinks the way you do, who is really the outsider?Anyway for those not being represented in this election, the only hope is that Trump, who has pretty much taken positions on both sides of the fence, might agree with you. My bet is he is an anti immigration, pro choice, financially conservative democrat (yes democrat), who could care less about religious or gun concerns.

He doesn't know how to run a country and I expect will delegate significantly. And the only thing I expect him to accomplish is to reposition the Republican Party to marginalize the far right idiots like Cruz and Ryan. And build a wall. A very big gold and jewel encrusted wall. And tell the Chinese they should pay for it because of ...who knows why. We can't be burdened by these details. And then doctors can spend their lives earning nice incomes treating measles because vaccines apparently cause autism. Or maybe it's the Mexicans.

 

[Cello]

Not to play Devils advocate, but there are always those cases where you're a single parent trying to work hard through college and still don't do well enough to go to college, but then there's the "well you shouldn't have gotten knocked up" attitude.

It's more the situation you and the other poster you quoted presented.

This election I think really is a battle of entitlement. The rich who feel entitled to their money because of their work vs the poor who feel entitled for money because of whatever "insert life excuse here".

Or, the teachers, police officers, firefighters, EMTs, soldiers, etc. who are every bit as necessary to a functional society as a physician is, but are barely making enough money to support a family. Not everyone wants to be a physician, including people who are every bit as qualified to go to medical school as anyone else here. Just because they chose a low-paying career that they are passionate about does not mean they deserve to be compensated little for their efforts.

My bet is he is an anti immigration, pro choice, financially conservative democrat (yes democrat), who could care less about religious or gun concerns.

I believe Trump "came to his senses" about abortion because of his sister's, daughter's, husband's, niece, or something.

I don't think Republicans are the ones looking to debase the dollar... in fact, they are the ones touting the whole "balance the budget" movement.

Yet they have been the worst offenders in terms of creating budget deficits. From Reagan, to G.W., most of our national debt was incurred during GOP presidencies. People blame Obama for entering office on a $1.3 trillion budget deficit which was signed by G.W. Bush. They blame Obama for having had massive budget deficits during his first years in office due to $6 trillion in expenditures on Iraq and Afghanistan. The man took a $1.3 trillion budget deficit and reduced it to $400 billion. That is a huge accomplishment in any presidency. The same happened to Clinton, who left office with a nearly $300 billion budget surplus after having been handed a massive deficit from Reagan and Bush Sr.

 

[deleted393595]

Isn't that some pharmacist org?

That's the other AAPS The one I'm referring to is the American Association of Physicians Surgeons, which is what the AMA should have been. They're the guys leading the fight agaist MOC and MOL